RE: [gentoo-user] unable to emerge anything...Fixed

2008-01-13 Thread Richard Torres
I quickpkg'd a newer version of gcc with USE='-hardened' from a livecd and emerged gentools. That did the trick. I've learned A LOT through this experience. The challenge was worth the experience (I can say that now that it's over with). Thanks very much. Gentoo is so great because of this

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Pongracz Istvan
install CD - a CD, which is outdated. ... hardware where to install it? No. So why do not having an official livecd makes it incomplete? Think it the other way. Gentoo is, among other things, a way to install Linux from any decent Linux live cd. From this point of view, the fact that

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 12 January 2008, Qian Qiao wrote: I can understand why you guys think we are so compelled to have a Gentoo LiveCD, because every other OS does, and to be honest, that is exactly the reason that stops you guys thinking out of the box, in what way is being able to install Gentoo from

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 12 January 2008, James wrote: As far as I'm concerned, the Gentoo install CD could easily be dropped without a loss. Well, I differ with this statement 100%. What, IMHO, needs to happened is the whole install process be changed to a minimal working kernel and basic tools. Then

[gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Schmarck
· James [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michael Schmarck michael.schmarck at habmalnefrage.de writes: Well, actually, I never used a Gentoo install CD to install Gentoo. I also don't quite understand, why anyone would need such a beast. Folks new to gentoo, would find it suspicious, for a distro

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008 schrieb Alan McKinnon: On Saturday 12 January 2008, James wrote: As far as I'm concerned, the Gentoo install CD could easily be dropped without a loss. Well, I differ with this statement 100%. What, IMHO, needs to happened is the whole install process be

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 12 January 2008, Richard Marzan wrote:  Although he works for Microsoft, Daniel is the one who created this project. For reference, Daniel *did* work for Microsoft but left about 18 months or so ago. Per his web site he is now involved in a web-based financial trading concern. If

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 13 January 2008, James wrote: I read one poster that blasted Ciaran McCreesh Also recently, I read a thread where he created an alternative to portage, and that many respected techies on this list actually use his replacement for portage. The poster that blasted Ciaran, misses a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Mark Kirkwood wrote: James wrote: In my mind I'm an accomplished person. In her mind I'm just another stupid EE, Hey James - Interesting post - this eludes me tho, what is an EE? Electronic Engineer -- Alan McKinnon alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com --

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 13 January 2008, Mark Kirkwood wrote: James wrote: In my mind I'm an accomplished person. In her mind I'm just another stupid EE, Hey James - Interesting post - this eludes me tho, what is an EE? Electronic Engineer? Uwe -- If a man speaks in a forest, and no woman listens to him,

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 12 January 2008, fire-eyes wrote: Alan McKinnon wrote: Ciaran Mcreesh - I am very specifically looking at you here. Very strongly agree with Mr McCreesh (spelling?). While I respect his technical abilities and contributions, I believe his horrible attitude, clear trolling and

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Alan E. Davis
Perhaps a user's perspective. A clueless user. Gentoo is the ass-kickinest distro I have tried. The docs are the best in the Linux communities. Where does that leave me and where does that leave Gentoo now? I am impelled to write after seeing numerous posts about the apparent demise of GWN,

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Uwe Thiem
On 13 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: A poorly developed sense of how to deal with other people coupled with never having realised that people are not machines, do not react like machines and need to be handled differently. You maintain machines by focusing on what is wrong with them and

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: And while where at it: Get those stage1 installs back into the Handbook. I did a stage3 install 2 weeks ago and it was a nightmare. One needs to recompile nearly everything afterwards, so stage3 doesn't make any difference. IIRC, they were

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: On 13 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote: A poorly developed sense of how to deal with other people coupled with never having realised that people are not machines, do not react like machines and need to be handled differently. You maintain

Re: [gentoo-user] unable to emerge anything...Fixed

2008-01-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Richard Torres wrote: I quickpkg'd a newer version of gcc with USE='-hardened' from a livecd and emerged gentools. That did the trick. I've learned A LOT through this experience. The challenge was worth the experience (I can say that now that it's over with). Thanks

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Mick
On Sunday 13 January 2008, James wrote: I turn down most opportunities to be on a BOD with many organizations, but, I care about Gentoo quite a lot. If Gentoo is truely in crisis, why have the devs not discuss this with the wider user community? This simple fact make the whole state of

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 10:08:43 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: And while where at it: Get those stage1 installs back into the Handbook. I did a stage3 install 2 weeks ago and it was a nightmare. One needs to recompile nearly everything afterwards, so stage3 doesn't make any difference. Except

Re: [gentoo-user] Routing problem ?

2008-01-13 Thread Holla
I redo the diagram to show the gw info. Router1: UTSStarCom WA3002G4 Wireless Router with 4 ethernet ports NAT is enabled (Just a tickbox) PC1, PC2 : gentoo, 2.6.18.3 kernel Router2: LinkSys WRT54GL (default firmware) used as access point

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Norman Rieß
Michael Schmarck schrieb: · Norman Rieß [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Michael Schmarck schrieb: · Norman Rieß [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Right, basicly telling people You have to depend on / use other distros to install our OS, cause we are not able to / don´t have time to provide this

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread b.n.
James ha scritto: OK, fine, then why doesn't of the persons that says it so easy, just take a GRMl (or whatever) cd and add the minimal (non gui) stuff to the same cd and make a simple to use 'install cd' for gentoo that is unofficial? Because you don't have to add *anything* to such cd.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Norman Rieß
Alan McKinnon schrieb: On Saturday 12 January 2008, Qian Qiao wrote: I can understand why you guys think we are so compelled to have a Gentoo LiveCD, because every other OS does, and to be honest, that is exactly the reason that stops you guys thinking out of the box, in what way is being

Re: [gentoo-user] TTF Fonts

2008-01-13 Thread b.n.
zou ha scritto: I think you could do this right by adding the fonts to fonts:/// (or something like this) More specifically, I usually install them via Konqueror: - Start Konqueror - Type fonts:// on the address bar - Start another Konqueror window/tab and copy TTF files to the fonts:// window.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread b.n.
Norman Rieß ha scritto: I have installed Gentoo in many ways, the old UniversalCD, the LiveCD, others Distros LiveCD's, from a working Gentooinstallation to a usb-connected drive which was transferred to boot in a old laptop and so on. But i still think a Gentoo-Install-CD/DVD is a good

Re: [gentoo-user] TTF Fonts

2008-01-13 Thread Michal 'vorner' Vaner
Hello On Sat, Jan 12, 2008 at 01:46:20PM -0400, Naiani Rosa de Barros wrote: Hi everyone. I'd like to know if these instructions here http://www.madeinclay.net/?p=8 are still valid for adding ttf fonts to Gentoo. I don't remember what I did last time (more than 1 yr ago), but I don't think

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Norman Rieß
b.n. schrieb: Norman Rieß ha scritto: I have installed Gentoo in many ways, the old UniversalCD, the LiveCD, others Distros LiveCD's, from a working Gentooinstallation to a usb-connected drive which was transferred to boot in a old laptop and so on. But i still think a

Re: [gentoo-user] Routing problem ?

2008-01-13 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi, On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:42:56 +0530 Holla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing, I cannot understand is the difference in traceroute results. What does this say in plain english ? :-) At PC2 # traceroute 218.248.240.46 (ISP's DNS server) traceroute to 218.248.240.46 (218.248.240.46),

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Dale
Norman Rieß wrote: b.n. schrieb: Norman Rieß ha scritto: I have installed Gentoo in many ways, the old UniversalCD, the LiveCD, others Distros LiveCD's, from a working Gentooinstallation to a usb-connected drive which was transferred to boot in a old laptop and so on. But i still think

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Eddie Mihalow Jr
David Relson wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 07:25:55 -0600 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: ...[snip]... You are missing the point of Gentoo then. We are NOT a binary distro (to repeat ad nauseum). If you want that kind of install, please change distros. I do find these other methods of install to be

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Eddie Mihalow Jr
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: On Samstag, 12. Januar 2008, Richard Marzan wrote: On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 18:22 +0100, Renat Golubchyk wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:07:39 -0500 Richard Marzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although he works for Microsoft, Daniel is the one who created this project.

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Forums Crashed

2008-01-13 Thread Eddie Mihalow Jr
Dale wrote: Richard Cox wrote: Anybody else get a DB error when trying to access the forums? Seems like it may have been overwhelmed with the Robbins debate going on. Works fine here. Even found the thread. Oh, I'm in Mississippi USA if it matters.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:35:55 +0100, b.n. wrote: But i still think a Gentoo-Install-CD/DVD is a good thing. Any practical reason for that? It is a lot more comfortable for the first-time installer. One of the problems with mixing components for various sources is knowing where to turn for

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:06:39 +0100, b.n. wrote: Because you don't have to add *anything* to such cd. -What do you need to install Gentoo? A working Linux live cd with a terminal and chroot. -Are a terminal and chroot available on 99.9% of Linux live cds in the world? Yes. You also need the

[gentoo-user] Create mutli-file .zip archives from the command line?

2008-01-13 Thread Stroller
Hi there, Anyone got any suggestions on this, please? I have a honking great big DVD image on one of my servers seem to be having problems transferring it to a Windows box over a flakey wireless connection. I'm wondering if the reason is because it's over 4gb in size. What I thought to

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Naga Toro
On Sunday 13 January 2008 15.07.57 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: I guess you don't get the point of being also in a flame war with a ex-dev who although very bright lacks in all the social skills. I read the thread of these two going at it and hell, I wanted to leave. Who needs the grief of

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Eddie Mihalow Jr
Naga Toro wrote: On Sunday 13 January 2008 15.07.57 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: I guess you don't get the point of being also in a flame war with a ex-dev who although very bright lacks in all the social skills. I read the thread of these two going at it and hell, I wanted to leave. Who needs the

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:06:39 +0100, b.n. wrote: Because you don't have to add *anything* to such cd. -What do you need to install Gentoo? A working Linux live cd with a terminal and chroot. -Are a terminal and chroot available on 99.9% of Linux live cds

[gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Samstag, 12. Januar 2008, Richard Marzan wrote: On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 18:22 +0100, Renat Golubchyk wrote: On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:07:39 -0500 Richard Marzan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although he works for Microsoft, Daniel is the one who

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Mick wrote: I turn down most opportunities to be on a BOD with many organizations, but, I care about Gentoo quite a lot. If Gentoo is truely in crisis, why have the devs not discuss this with the wider user community? This simple fact make the whole state of

Re: [gentoo-user] Create mutli-file .zip archives from the command line?

2008-01-13 Thread Renat Golubchyk
Hi! On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:21:30 + Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I thought to do was to break the .iso into a multi-part .zip archive, transfer the separate files over to the Windows PC and then unzip them back into the original big file using Explorer's built-in (XP) zip

Re: [gentoo-user] Create mutli-file .zip archives from the command line?

2008-01-13 Thread kei . mailinglists
Am Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008 schrieb Stroller: I know I could do this by using RAR - or some other untility - instead, but that would require me to install additional software on the PC, which I'd rather not do. You could use 7-Zip e.g. from portableapps.com So you don't need to install it.

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Naga Toro
On Sunday 13 January 2008 15.33.28 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: Naga Toro wrote: On Sunday 13 January 2008 15.07.57 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: I guess you don't get the point of being also in a flame war with a ex-dev who although very bright lacks in all the social skills. I read the thread of

Re: [gentoo-user] Create mutli-file .zip archives from the command line?

2008-01-13 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:59:04 +0100 Renat Golubchyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:21:30 + Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I thought to do was to break the .iso into a multi-part .zip archive, transfer the separate files over to the Windows PC and then

Re: [gentoo-user] TTF Fonts

2008-01-13 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:09:39 +0100 b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zou ha scritto: I think you could do this right by adding the fonts to fonts:/// (or something like this) More specifically, I usually install them via Konqueror: - Start Konqueror - Type fonts:// on the address bar -

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Norman Rieß [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Still no complaints about your opinion from my side ;-). *G* In short. An outdated InstallCD is bad and no InstallCD at all is bad, too. I agree that an outdated Install CD is bad. But I disagree, that no Install CD at all is bad. I think it's not bad.

Re: [gentoo-user] TTF Fonts

2008-01-13 Thread Naiani Rosa de Barros
Well, the location fonts:/// does not exist on Xfce, so the installation has to be manual. I ended up finding this other article on Gentoo-Wiki, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_XFS_and_Custom_Fonts , which works well. The only thing I don't like is having to run ttmkfdir fonts.scale, mkfontdir,

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 13:35:55 +0100, b.n. wrote: But i still think a Gentoo-Install-CD/DVD is a good thing. Any practical reason for that? It is a lot more comfortable for the first-time installer. Why's that? One of the problems with mixing

Re: [gentoo-user] Create mutli-file .zip archives from the command line?

2008-01-13 Thread KH
Hi, some file systems are not able to handle files bigger than size X. Fat32 for example only handles 4GB. Win often uses Fat32. Maybe this is your problem. Kons Renat Golubchyk wrote: Hi! On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:21:30 + Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I thought to do was to

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Norman Rieß wrote: I have installed Gentoo in many ways, the old UniversalCD, the LiveCD, others Distros LiveCD's, from a working Gentooinstallation to a usb-connected drive which was transferred to boot in a old laptop and so on. But i still think a

Re: [gentoo-user] TTF Fonts

2008-01-13 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:46:20 -0400 Naiani Rosa de Barros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone. I'd like to know if these instructions here http://www.madeinclay.net/?p=8 are still valid for adding ttf fonts to Gentoo. I don't remember what I did last time (more than 1 yr ago), but I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Dale
Michael Schmarck wrote: SNIP How do you get that stuff (the Install CD)? By downloading? Why can't you download the handbook, snapshot and stage tar ball as well at that time? And what tools are you talking about? fdisk? chroot? SNIP Michael Schmarck Actually, I order mine off

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Norman Rieß
Michael Schmarck schrieb: · Norman Rieß [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Still no complaints about your opinion from my side ;-). *G* In short. An outdated InstallCD is bad and no InstallCD at all is bad, too. I agree that an outdated Install CD is bad. But I disagree, that no

Re: [gentoo-user] TTF Fonts

2008-01-13 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:00:57 -0400 Naiani Rosa de Barros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the location fonts:/// does not exist on Xfce, so the installation has to be manual. I ended up finding this other article on Gentoo-Wiki, http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_XFS_and_Custom_Fonts , which works

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Norman Rieß
Alan McKinnon schrieb: On Sunday 13 January 2008, Norman Rieß wrote: I have installed Gentoo in many ways, the old UniversalCD, the LiveCD, others Distros LiveCD's, from a working Gentooinstallation to a usb-connected drive which was transferred to boot in a old laptop and so on. But i

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Eddie Mihalow Jr
Naga Toro wrote: On Sunday 13 January 2008 15.33.28 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: Naga Toro wrote: On Sunday 13 January 2008 15.07.57 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: I guess you don't get the point of being also in a flame war with a ex-dev who although very bright lacks in all the social skills. I read

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:53:48 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: You also need the handbook, a portage snapshot and a stage tarball. How many live CDs provide these? None. But the portage snapshot is best fetched from the web anyway, as far as I'm concerned. Same with the handbook, as it

Re: [gentoo-user] Create mutli-file .zip archives from the command line?

2008-01-13 Thread Stroller
On 13 Jan 2008, at 15:13, Jesús Guerrero wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:21:30 + Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I thought to do was to break the .iso into a multi-part .zip archive, transfer the separate files over to the Windows PC and then unzip them back into the original big file

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:00:20 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: It is a lot more comfortable for the first-time installer. Why's that? Because a first-time installer benefits from the confidence given by using an official install disc. It also allows you to install without a network

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Hemmann, Volker Armin
On Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008, Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: Naga Toro wrote: On Sunday 13 January 2008 15.07.57 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: I guess you don't get the point of being also in a flame war with a ex-dev who although very bright lacks in all the social skills. I read the thread of these

Re: [gentoo-user] Create mutli-file .zip archives from the command line?

2008-01-13 Thread Jesús Guerrero
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:34:01 + Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13 Jan 2008, at 15:13, Jesús Guerrero wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:21:30 + Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I thought to do was to break the .iso into a multi-part .zip archive, transfer the separate

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Ken Gypen
On 2008-01-13 16:29:15 (+), Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:53:48 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: You also need the handbook, a portage snapshot and a stage tarball. How many live CDs provide these? None. But the portage snapshot is best fetched

Re: [gentoo-user] VMware Server Tools

2008-01-13 Thread Elias Probst
Am Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 09:53:36 schrieb Sergey Kobzar: I prefer to use portage tree for additional software. That's why I chose Gentoo. -- Sergey Use the open-vm-tools. They work quite fine and contain all features provided by the previous closed source ones. Regards, Elias P. -- A

Re[2]: [gentoo-user] VMware Server Tools

2008-01-13 Thread Sergey Kobzar
Hi Elias, Sunday, January 13, 2008, 7:36:45 PM, you wrote: Am Freitag, 11. Januar 2008 09:53:36 schrieb Sergey Kobzar: I prefer to use portage tree for additional software. That's why I chose Gentoo. -- Sergey Use the open-vm-tools. They work quite fine and contain all features provided

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Naga Toro
On Sunday 13 January 2008 17.31.20 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: Naga Toro wrote: On Sunday 13 January 2008 15.33.28 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: Naga Toro wrote: On Sunday 13 January 2008 15.07.57 Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote: I guess you don't get the point of being also in a flame war with a ex-dev

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Pongracz Istvan
2008. 01. 13, vasárnap keltezéssel 17.46-kor Ken Gypen ezt írta: I agree that Gentoo shouldn't become an Ubuntu like distro, but the minimal install cd is, at least for me, a requirement. ... Regards, Ken After reading lot of posts regarding install cd, I decided, I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 13, 2008 7:03 PM, Pongracz Istvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008. 01. 13, vasárnap keltezéssel 17.46-kor Ken Gypen ezt írta: I agree that Gentoo shouldn't become an Ubuntu like distro, but the minimal install cd is, at least for me, a requirement. ... Regards,

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Pongracz Istvan
2008. 01. 13, vasárnap keltezéssel 19.22-kor Galevsky ezt írta: I can't help you immediately, but be sure I am going to help you if you'll still need it in a few months. For me, the key is to keep the handbook up-to-date. IMHO, it is a must. Having a 2. Choosing the Right Installation Medium

Re: [gentoo-user] Create mutli-file .zip archives from the command line?

2008-01-13 Thread Florian Philipp
On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 16:04 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008 schrieb Stroller: I know I could do this by using RAR - or some other untility - instead, but that would require me to install additional software on the PC, which I'd rather not do. You could use

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Etaoin Shrdlu
On Sunday 13 January 2008, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: And while where at it: Get those stage1 installs back into the Handbook. I did a stage3 install 2 weeks ago and it was a nightmare. One needs to recompile nearly everything afterwards, so stage3 doesn't make any difference. You can use Daniel

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Mark Knecht
On Jan 13, 2008 10:03 AM, Pongracz Istvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008. 01. 13, vasárnap keltezéssel 17.46-kor Ken Gypen ezt írta: I agree that Gentoo shouldn't become an Ubuntu like distro, but the minimal install cd is, at least for me, a requirement. ... Regards,

Re: [gentoo-user] Create mutli-file .zip archives from the command line?

2008-01-13 Thread Florian Philipp
On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 16:13 +0100, Jesús Guerrero wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:59:04 +0100 Renat Golubchyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 14:21:30 + Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I thought to do was to break the .iso into a multi-part .zip

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 15:53:48 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: You also need the handbook, a portage snapshot and a stage tarball. How many live CDs provide these? None. But the portage snapshot is best fetched from the web anyway, as far as I'm

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:20:04 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: This cannot be done, as the install CD has to be fetched over network anyway. At that time, the portage snapshot and handbook can be downloaded as well. I've already covered that in a previous reply to you. -- Neil Bothwick Is it

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:15:38 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: 1) Boots new hardware well enough to do the install. The current LiveCD doesn't boot a P5E motherboard so I couldn't do the install on that machine using it. It booted on mine, I installed from a 2007.0 install disc. 2) Has networking

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 13, 2008 8:03 PM, Pongracz Istvan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will prepare a project page on my website and I try to create the first release in some weeks. Probably less, than one, depends on my free time. I will send a mail to this list to inform you about the progress :) Sounds good

[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Schmarck
· Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 16:00:20 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: It is a lot more comfortable for the first-time installer. Why's that? Because a first-time installer benefits from the confidence given by using an official install disc. I don't

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:24:52 +0100, Michael Schmarck wrote: Because a first-time installer benefits from the confidence given by using an official install disc. I don't understand that. What confidence? To install Gentoo, you need a way to partition your storage, create filesystems and

[gentoo-user] DNAT not working

2008-01-13 Thread Konstantinos Agouros
Hi, I have a box running vmware server where I need some DNAT rules to get traffic from a vm to where it belongs. Inserting the rule iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -s ... -d ... -p tcp --dport ... -j DNAT --to-destination destaddr gives me: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name Also I

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Mark Knecht
On Jan 13, 2008 11:26 AM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:15:38 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: 1) Boots new hardware well enough to do the install. The current LiveCD doesn't boot a P5E motherboard so I couldn't do the install on that machine using it. It booted

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Qian Qiao
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Neil Bothwick wrote: Assuming you know what you are doing. If you've ever tried to help a number of less confident users through it, you'd know what I mean. While I don't disagree that a Gentoo live CD is absolutely necessary, you seem to be

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008 schrieb Alan McKinnon: IIRC, they were removed because being in the official handbook, people used them. Then caused endless traffic on endless forums and lists when they did it wrong (mostly because they didn't know enough yet about the process and followed bad

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008 schrieb Neil Bothwick: Except that you can use the system while it is recompiling. I can also use the system while doing a stage1 install. Depends on the capabilities of the install CD you use. Bye... Dirk signature.asc Description: This is a digitally

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Dirk Heinrichs
Am Sonntag, 13. Januar 2008 schrieb Etaoin Shrdlu: You can use Daniel Robbins' stage3s: Why should I? They're likely also built with different use flags than the ones I use. Thus I will end up recompiling anyway. Updating the compiler recompiled a couple dozen packages before. With a stage1

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:46:18 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote: Except that you can use the system while it is recompiling. I can also use the system while doing a stage1 install. Depends on the capabilities of the install CD you use. In that case, you're using the live CD system, not the

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Galevsky
On Jan 13, 2008 8:24 PM, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'd rather say, that it would be better, if there were no install CD at all. But it can be done. It's not worth the effort, though, as far as I'm concerned. Since your are not concerned about releasing them, you

Re: [gentoo-user] Create mutli-file .zip archives from the command line?

2008-01-13 Thread Renat Golubchyk
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 17:45:53 +0100 Jesús Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know nothing about samba+big files, I did never use it with big files, but I haven't hear of such a problem before. As far as I know, Samba doesn't have problems with big files. I've burned large (4GB) DVD images on an

Re: [gentoo-user] TTF Fonts

2008-01-13 Thread Naiani Rosa de Barros
On Jan 13, 2008 11:33 AM, Jesús Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:00:57 -0400 Naiani Rosa de Barros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, the location fonts:/// does not exist on Xfce, so the installation has to be manual. I ended up finding this other article on

Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Dale
Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: that is one of the most stupid things I ever read on this list. So users should never be part of discussions? Their needs? Their opinions? Also, drobbins continued his attacks even after explained SEVERAL times that the stuff ciaranm was doing was a) wanted and

Re: [gentoo-user] Create mutli-file .zip archives from the command line?

2008-01-13 Thread Stroller
On 13 Jan 2008, at 16:45, Jesús Guerrero wrote: ... The problem is that fat32 can't handle files that are larger than 4gb-1byte. So, will still be unable to unzip or unrar that iso image. I believe you're mistaken in the direct cause of my problem. I'm using NTFS on the Windows XP machine.

Re: [gentoo-user] DNAT not working

2008-01-13 Thread Daniel Iliev
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20:01:04 + (UTC) Konstantinos Agouros [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I have a box running vmware server where I need some DNAT rules to get traffic from a vm to where it belongs. Inserting the rule iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -s ... -d ... -p tcp --dport ... -j DNAT

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread b.n.
Galevsky ha scritto: On Jan 13, 2008 8:24 PM, Michael Schmarck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'd rather say, that it would be better, if there were no install CD at all. But it can be done. It's not worth the effort, though, as far as I'm concerned. Since your are not concerned about

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread b.n.
Pongracz Istvan ha scritto: 2008. 01. 13, vasárnap keltezéssel 17.46-kor Ken Gypen ezt írta: I agree that Gentoo shouldn't become an Ubuntu like distro, but the minimal install cd is, at least for me, a requirement. ... Regards, Ken After reading lot of posts

Re: [gentoo-user] TTF Fonts

2008-01-13 Thread b.n.
Jesús Guerrero ha scritto: On a previous level of this thread I tell how to install fonts for just the current user: you put them into ~/.fonts/ What konqueror does is the same thing, but hidding the concrete details to the user (that is what kio-slaves are all about: abstraction, which

Re: [gentoo-user] x11-drm fails to emerge

2008-01-13 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 20:28 +, Mick wrote: Can anyone perhaps suggest a fix to allow me to emerge did you look in bugzilla? http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165553 what -sources are you using? http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156518 HTH! -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace

[gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread James
Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon at gmail.com writes: It could just be managerial ineptitude though, combined with emotional immaturity of certain persons (if Alan's previous critique re.treating persons as machines holds true). Odds are that this is the real explanation. Gentoo management is

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo Forums Crashed

2008-01-13 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Sat, 2008-01-12 at 23:50 -0200, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Richard Cox wrote: | Yeah, still have the problem. Very strange. This is because Gentoo is now on Slashdot frntpage:

Re: [gentoo-user] Is GWN dead?

2008-01-13 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 11:22 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Friday 11 January 2008, Shaochun Wang wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 09:58:16AM +0100, Pongracz Istvan wrote: 2008. 01. 11, p茅ntek keltez茅ssel 09.37-kor Daniel Pielmeier ezt 铆rta: joke Or they will change to GYN (Gentoo

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ?

2008-01-13 Thread Iain Buchanan
On Sun, 2008-01-13 at 11:31 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Sunday 13 January 2008, Mark Kirkwood wrote: James wrote: In my mind I'm an accomplished person. In her mind I'm just another stupid EE, Hey James - Interesting post - this eludes me tho, what is an EE? Electronic

[gentoo-user] gnupg update problem

2008-01-13 Thread Shaochun Wang
Today, I executed the following command to update my system emerge -auDN world What happened is that gnupg seemed to be downgraded to 1.4.7-r1 version. I know gnupg-2.0.7 is stable in the current portage, so I am curious about this downgrade of gnupg. After searching this thread,

[gentoo-user] RANT: WTF does a *SPREADSHEET* need SVG and unicode?

2008-01-13 Thread Walter Dnes
in cairo. No unicode support found in libpcre. * * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant. * A complete build log is located at '/var/log/portage/x11-libs:goffice-0.6.1:20080113-232058.log'. SVG is an OpenSource replacement for Schlockwave-Trash

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