* b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Your problem is: you live in the delusion that if you write thing X,
people immediately understand X and either refuse it or accept it.
Isn't there an third state: I didn't really understand what it's
about - please explain ?
Can't speak for others, but
On 6/13/07, Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Let's take an different part of life, not computers, take policits.
I'm an elected representative. I have to decide lots of things here.
Normally somebody brings some proposable we should vote on. Usually
we talk
On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 21:13 +1200, Kent Fredric wrote:
Genoo Everything.
given Everything = Gentoo + Debian + RedHat + ...,
let EverythingElse = Everything - Gentoo;
then
Gentoo Everything
=~ Gentoo Gentoo + EverythingElse
=~ Gentoo - Gentoo Gentoo + EveryThingElse - Gentoo
=~ 0
On 6/11/07, Iain Buchanan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 2007-06-09 at 21:13 +1200, Kent Fredric wrote:
Genoo Everything.
given Everything = Gentoo + Debian + RedHat + ...,
let EverythingElse = Everything - Gentoo;
then
Gentoo Everything
=~ Gentoo Gentoo + EverythingElse
=~ Gentoo
On 6/9/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kent Fredric ha scritto:
On 6/8/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
( probably releated to it being a
generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough*
unlinspired *cough* or *cough* deadrat *cough* )
OT: Ubuntu distros (Kubuntu,
On 6/8/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I tell you a secret: even with all its quirks and defects, Gentoo
has one of the more friendly and helpful communities in the OSS world.
Try have a look at the Debian, OpenBSD or Slackware forums/ml/IRC
channels, and you'll understand.
I concur,
* Kent Fredric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Imo, provide as much information as possible, describe all
paths of logic, dont assume bugwranglers are psychic. Verbosity
can be your friend.
I understand that often there's more information need. But isn't
this exactly what the NEEDINFO status
* b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
No, I'm not the one who teaches anyody. I go my way, if you
like it, feel free to follow me, if you don't like it,
go you own but leave me alone.
So don't expect anyone to like you, if you don't teach anyone what do
you think and...--
hmmpf, you
Enrico Weigelt ha scritto:
I'd prefer telling people what I (personally) believe it's good/right
and give them the chance to either take or leave it. Both decisions
will have their consequences, but nobody can tell which one is
objectively better - evryhing's subjective.
[...]
I don't feel
Kent Fredric ha scritto:
On 6/8/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
( probably releated to it being a
generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough*
unlinspired *cough* or *cough* deadrat *cough* )
OT: Ubuntu distros (Kubuntu, expecially) are really, really shiny and
slick pieces
On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, b.n. wrote:
Kent Fredric ha scritto:
On 6/8/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
( probably releated to it being a
generally harder distro to use that *cough* ewwbuntu *cough*
unlinspired *cough* or *cough* deadrat *cough* )
OT: Ubuntu distros (Kubuntu,
Enrico Weigelt ha scritto:
I understand that often there's more information need. But isn't
this exactly what the NEEDINFO status is for ?
You don't understand that perhaps the wrangler does not understand that
needs more info!
If he has a partial/distorted view of the bug, you can't expect
On Friday 08 June 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user]
Again: Critical bugs considered invalid':
On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, b.n. wrote:
Kent Fredric ha scritto:
On 6/8/07, b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
( probably releated to it being a
generally
On Samstag, 9. Juni 2007, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
On Friday 08 June 2007, Hemmann, Volker Armin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user]
The slowest boot of all
times?
My Gentoo boots more slowly, but that's probably related to the large delay
mounting a 3TiB reiserfs.
Bug reports need to be thorough. If they do not provide enough
information to reproduce a bug, or at least explain exactly what is
going on, then it is hard for the developers and bug
squashers to do
anything about it.
Sometimes, as the reported, you miss some important things. Okay.
* Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm some bit confused that the wranglers should do such decisions
at all (if they're not also involved in the affected package).
because it is their job to filter out noise so 'real' devs can
concentrate on the 'real' bugs. They are the
Hi,
On Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:03:52 +0200 Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Well, since your awesome efforts last time, everyone here already
knows you're the most polite bug reporter, absolutely fair and
I'm really tired of your boring personal attacks.
In fact, it was the first
On Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2007, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
* Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm some bit confused that the wranglers should do such decisions
at all (if they're not also involved in the affected package).
because it is their job to filter out noise so 'real' devs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
Complaining TWICE worked.
Is it so bad? I'd say complaining ten times would be bad, but twice
seems a reasonable number of attempts.
The problem I complained about shouldn't
have happened in the first place; someonex fixed something that wasn't
broken and made
Enrico Weigelt ha scritto:
No, I'm not the one who teaches anyody. I go my way, if you
like it, feel free to follow me, if you don't like it,
go you own but leave me alone.
So don't expect anyone to like you, if you don't teach anyone what do
you think and...--
I've shown several problems
* Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
so first you went to the wrong bugzilla and made a big fuss.
Then you went to the gentoo-bugzilla and made even more fuss.
Yes, I first expected it to be an firefox bug, so I filed the bug there.
After I found out that the ff source
Complaining TWICE worked. The problem I complained about shouldn't
have happened in the first place; someonex fixed something that wasn't
broken and made it broken.
Your response is absolutely typical of my problem with the gentoo dev
community. You misstate a complaint, overreact to it, and
On Mittwoch, 6. Juni 2007, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
* Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
so first you went to the wrong bugzilla and made a big fuss.
Then you went to the gentoo-bugzilla and made even more fuss.
Yes, I first expected it to be an firefox bug, so I filed the
* Hans-Werner Hilse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, since your awesome efforts last time, everyone here already
knows you're the most polite bug reporter, absolutely fair and
I'm really tired of your boring personal attacks.
Can't you come up with some more interesting ? Maybe a polar
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
First: Cosmetic things, i.e. user interface issues, pretty
pictures, and things that effect the overall look and feel.
If they do not stop the program from functioning, they are
not high priority. It may be agitating to look at, but it
* Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And then ?
Hope that mozilla-launcher gets repaired by itself ?
no? but if it works that way, it is not even defective..
It doesn't. Why do you assume it would ?
snip
Isn't it exactly the job of the bugwranglers to delegate
bugs to
Em Quarta 06 Junho 2007 20:10, Enrico Weigelt escreveu:
* Hemmann, Volker Armin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Isn't it exactly the job of the bugwranglers to delegate
bugs to the responsible persons ?
and bug wranglers are just humans. And humans a) are not perfect
and b) sometimes make
* Davi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Gentoo's Project needs more people to help in develop,
docs and bugs... =)
Well, for me, it seemed quite different - new people are
unwelcomed, especially if the come with new/different ideas.
IF this (bugs) are, as YOU said, trivial, go on... Help
On Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2007, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
seems, certain wranglers are for killing bugs of
specific persons ;-O
well, Jakub is very fast closing bugs - and sometimes he closes
them too fast... this is nothing new - and arguing with him in a
civil manner usually solves that.
-Original Message-
From: Enrico Weigelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:00 AM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Second: Bug
Hi folks,
just as I thought, certain folks had their lessons now it's
maybe worth contributing someting, it starts again:
Critical bugs are simply declared invalid.
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180935
Again the old philosophy what I don't understand is invalid.
Obviously my
On Dienstag, 5. Juni 2007, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
Hi folks,
just as I thought, certain folks had their lessons now it's
maybe worth contributing someting, it starts again:
Critical bugs are simply declared invalid.
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180935
Again the old philosophy what
Hi,
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:07:42 +0200
Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
just as I thought, certain folks had their lessons now it's
maybe worth contributing someting, it starts again:
Critical bugs are simply declared invalid.
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180935
Again
I see complaints about the bug reporting style, but no mea culpas. I
had an experience with gentoo bugs recently which confirms his
experience on a smaller level. The apache ebuilds used to recognize
USERDIR to override the default public_html value. The 2.4 ebuilds
discarded that for no
Hi,
short correction/addition:
On Tue, 5 Jun 2007 17:48:17 +0200
Hans-Werner Hilse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] complicated solutions like e.g. using readlink(1) [...]
or just throwing in find's -L switch.
-hwh
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:
I filed a bug which was promptly closed
for no good reason, only the bogus answer that the new configuraion
files layout took care of it. I reopened it with a more detailed
description of the problem and included the URL of the apache
documentation which
Ok, my two cents on the matter.
I am still new enough to the community to be considered an outsider,
so here is an outsider's perspective. I hope not to step on toes,
but it will probably happen anyway.
First: Cosmetic things, i.e. user interface issues, pretty pictures,
and things that
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