Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It just says that it echoes the data to /dev/dsp (or another given device). So it's bound to exactly that device interface :( Well, if you did read the man paghe, you know that cdda2wav knows the

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-04 Thread Joerg Schilling
Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cdd2wav is directly writing to the audio device ? IMHO not good idea: you're bound to the devices cdda2wav supports, requires it to be ported to each single audio interface you want to use (not just

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-04 Thread John covici
on Friday 07/04/2008 Joerg Schilling([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cdd2wav is directly writing to the audio device ? IMHO not good idea: you're bound to the devices cdda2wav supports, requires

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-04 Thread Daniel Pielmeier
2008/7/4, John covici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Not sure who is maintaining cdrtools for gentoo, but any chance of getting alpha44 into the gentoo repository? According to ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/ cdrtools-2.01.01a42 is the latest version and cdrtools-2.01.01a41 is in the tree. If you

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-04 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It just says that it echoes the data to /dev/dsp (or another given device). So it's bound to exactly that device interface :( Well, if you did read the man paghe, you know that cdda2wav knows the correct names for all supported platforms and in

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-03 Thread Joerg Schilling
Aaron Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those still searching for background on this topic to try and understand the effects and discussions of the GPL vs CDDL licensing in other distros and how this may affect your use on Gentoo, you may find the respective articles on wikipedia

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-03 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, libcdio had an illegal license change: the authors took a lot of the code from cdrtools and claim that their code (e.g. derived from cdda2wav)

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-03 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cdd2wav is directly writing to the audio device ? IMHO not good idea: you're bound to the devices cdda2wav supports, requires it to be ported to each single audio interface you want to use (not just platform specifics, but also things like audio

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-02 Thread Aaron Clark
For those still searching for background on this topic to try and understand the effects and discussions of the GPL vs CDDL licensing in other distros and how this may affect your use on Gentoo, you may find the respective articles on wikipedia instructive. Don't just read the brief

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-01 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Tue, 01 Jul 2008 01:15:58 +0200, b.n. wrote: I didn't know that showing a mail *you* received is illegal. It may not be illegal, but it is definitely wrong. Private mail is just that. -- Neil Bothwick Programming Language: (n.) a shorthand way of describing a series of bugs

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
brullo nulla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I said: less than 20% of human communication is done via words. If I did see you, I would have known whether your non-direct posting was meant to have an underlying hostile base or not. As I cannot see you, the only way to avoid

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Mike Edenfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think this thread has long since left the topic of Gentoo in the dust. If you cannot just accept that Joerg is not going to be cooperative on this issue and drop it, can you please at least take this private? I am very cooperative. Some people

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, libcdio had an illegal license change: the authors took a lot of the code from cdrtools and claim that their code (e.g. derived from cdda2wav) is GPLv2-or-any-later. Well, not a single file from cdda2wav has ever been released under this

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You are publishing the cdrtools package. The cdrtools package in whole or in part contains mkisofs.c. So, you must cause the cdrtools package to be licensed as a whole under the terms of the GNU GPL, right? So, in other words, mkisofs cannot be

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and install cdda2wav suid root. Giving the user full access to the cdrom device isnt't enough ? Actually, I really dislike to whole idea of suid root. Then call: cdda2wav -e -N -B If everything is OK, then you will be able to listen to the

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A big problem is that on Linux _some_ SCSI commands may be send to drives Which commands does it affect, and are they needed for playback ? cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cdda2wav has an interactive mode since yesterday. Can ths code be opted-out at compile time ? I, personally, don't want like to have unnedded features on my system (- userflag ?) BTW: could cdda2wav live as an separate package ? cu --

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I *like* the GPL because of that You have all the freedom, exept to cut down this freedom-attitude. It is like: I am a tolerant person, but not to intolerant people. And as another example: The german constitution also prohibits the change of

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-01 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Sebastian Günther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main point is that this also disallows the usage within NonOSS software. That's what counts. Many OSS licenses do not care about later closed usage, and so one backdoor is closed, where GPL code may become unfree. For me, some of the so

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, libcdio had an illegal license change: the authors took a lot of the code from cdrtools and claim that their code (e.g. derived from cdda2wav) is GPLv2-or-any-later. Well, not a single file

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You are publishing the cdrtools package. The cdrtools package in whole or in part contains mkisofs.c. So, you must cause the cdrtools package to be licensed as a whole under the terms of the GNU GPL,

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and install cdda2wav suid root. Giving the user full access to the cdrom device isnt't enough ? Actually, I really dislike to whole idea of suid root. Then call: cdda2wav -e -N -B If everything

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-07-01 Thread Joerg Schilling
Enrico Weigelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wouldn't it solve the problem to just move out mkisofs to it's own package ? let me add a second answer to the serious part of the question. Would it make Linux distribution xxzzy legal if the X binaries were moved into a different distribution? How

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
Sebastian Günther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately the GPL has not been written in an unambiguous way. This is why the OSI rated the GPL as non-free for several years. Some years ago, the FSF explained that the GPL needs to be interpreted in a way that makes it compliant to the

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling ha scritto: But that's irrelevant to our discussion, because I do not want a web of pointers to copies. I want a single pointer to the (hopefully public) mailing list thread(s) where you discussed with Bloch and you were attacked by him.

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote that the *thread* - digressing from useful discussion about software tools and into religion - was pissing me off. This is why I tried not to answer your first question. I know that this usually happens and try to avoid it. I asked because I

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sorry I offended you, Joerg, but your are making it impossible to be your friend. You could learn to be direct and tell people what you mean. You asked in a missleading way on a list where hostile statements from other people have already been seen.

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-30 Thread brullo nulla
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 6:08 PM, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could learn to be direct and tell people what you mean. You asked in a missleading way on a list where hostile statements from other people have already been seen. As I said: less than 20% of human communication is

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-30 Thread Sebastian Günther
* Joerg Schilling ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [30.06.08 10:48]: The GPL however limits the usability of OpenSource as OSS and claims this is in order to save OSS. The GPL allows GPLd software to use any kind of software but disallows other OpenSource Software to use GPLd software. The main point is

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-30 Thread b.n.
Joerg Schilling ha scritto: b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling ha scritto: But that's irrelevant to our discussion, because I do not want a web of pointers to copies. I want a single pointer to the (hopefully public) mailing list thread(s) where you discussed with Bloch and you

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-30 Thread Joerg Schilling
b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bloch could also well not give a f**k about your claims and maybe does not want to spend money etc. just to sue an upset programmer. I most probably wouldn't sue you, if I was him. You're tiptoeing around the main issue, that is: You bring no proof of your

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-30 Thread b.n.
Joerg Schilling ha scritto: b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bloch could also well not give a f**k about your claims and maybe does not want to spend money etc. just to sue an upset programmer. I most probably wouldn't sue you, if I was him. You're tiptoeing around the main issue, that is: You

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-30 Thread Mike Edenfield
b.n. wrote: I didn't know that showing a mail *you* received is illegal. Maybe I can contact Bloch and ask him permission? I think this thread has long since left the topic of Gentoo in the dust. If you cannot just accept that Joerg is not going to be cooperative on this issue and drop it,

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread b.n.
Mark Kirkwood ha scritto: b.n. wrote: (The other is your admittedly elusive attitude to release fully details on what happened, both on your webpages and this thread -for example, we still have *no* link about the supposed attacks you received *before* the relicensing, despite repeated

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 28 June 2008, Daniel Iliev wrote: It seems to me that you are obliged to publish cdrtools under the GNU GPL until cdrtools contains at least one piece of work which is licensed under the GNU GPL. Actually that is what the GNU GPL is all about - to force you to keep the source of a

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Sunday 29 June 2008, b.n. wrote: Again, it is entirely possible that Joerg, despite his somehow weird behaviour, could be right. But I fail to see the strong evidence that should backup his strong statements. That is the same conclusion that so many other people have already come to.

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, it is entirely possible that Joerg, despite his somehow weird behaviour, could be right. But I fail to see the strong evidence that should backup his strong statements. So you like to tell us that if a few people like to spread a lie, all they need to do

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Mick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I run cdda2wav -e -N -B I get: === recording 3884.2933 seconds stereo with 16 bits @ 44100.0 Hz percent_done: 100% track 1 recorded successfully === The recording part confuses me. Does

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stroller wants to hear *your* point of view. As a token of respect for all the users of your software (the original, not the fork) who are here and reading this, could you please just describe your position, and omit all references as to why other

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, mkisofs.c is the Program and cdrtools is a work based on the Program, right? If you believe this and what you claimed later, then the GPL would be a definitely non-free license. See the OpenSource definition at http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Sascha Hlusiak
Am Sonntag 29 Juni 2008 13:05:24 schrieb Joerg Schilling: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stroller wants to hear *your* point of view. As a token of respect for all the users of your software (the original, not the fork) who are here and reading this, could you please just describe

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The GPL tries to take off freedom in otder to keep freedom. This does not work in most cases (I tried to sue two companies to no avail), so why take off freedom at all? OK, all this means that in your opinion CDDL is better than GPL, but by no

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread b.n.
Joerg Schilling ha scritto: b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, it is entirely possible that Joerg, despite his somehow weird behaviour, could be right. But I fail to see the strong evidence that should backup his strong statements. So you like to tell us that if a few people like to

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
Sascha Hlusiak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Sonntag 29 Juni 2008 13:05:24 schrieb Joerg Schilling: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stroller wants to hear *your* point of view. As a token of respect for all the users of your software (the original, not the fork) who are here and

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Joerg Schilling
b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling ha scritto: b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, it is entirely possible that Joerg, despite his somehow weird behaviour, could be right. But I fail to see the strong evidence that should backup his strong statements. So you like to

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Sascha Hlusiak
He wrote that he is pissed off... If you quoted him correctly before, you'd know it was not meant as an attack. He wrote [...] this latest thread just started to piss me off. It's not about you, neither about your work. It's about this thread! People have been extremely understanding

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Daniel Iliev
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 13:37:12 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Schilling) wrote: Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, mkisofs.c is the Program and cdrtools is a work based on the Program, right? If you believe this and what you claimed later, then the GPL would be a definitely

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Daniel Iliev
PLEASE IGNORE my previous message. I saw Joerg had replied after I sent it, so it is irrelevant in the new context. -- Best regards, Daniel -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread b.n.
Joerg Schilling ha scritto: But that's irrelevant to our discussion, because I do not want a web of pointers to copies. I want a single pointer to the (hopefully public) mailing list thread(s) where you discussed with Bloch and you were attacked by him. Where is this thread? Bloch did run

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Daniel Iliev
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:02:23 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Schilling) wrote: While the current license set up and the combination in use for cdrtools has been verified by specialized lawyers, the claims from the people around Bloch are all made by laymen only. Very well. This could end

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Stroller
On 29 Jun 2008, at 12:05, Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stroller wants to hear *your* point of view. As a token of respect for all the users of your software (the original, not the fork) who are here and reading this, could you please just describe your

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Stroller
On 29 Jun 2008, at 14:18, Joerg Schilling wrote: ... There is a different way of asking that does not create the impression that you stand behind the claims from a quoted URL. I don't believe that: A bit of Googling lead me to a couple of articles which appear to indicate you chose to

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-29 Thread Sebastian Günther
* Joerg Schilling ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [29.06.08 13:38]: Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, mkisofs.c is the Program and cdrtools is a work based on the Program, right? If you believe this and what you claimed later, then the GPL would be a definitely non-free license. See the

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling ha scritto: The URLs mentioned did point to disinformation from lwn.net that should be easily identifyable as incorrect claims. If such URLs are published without comment, I asume that the questionair believes the incorrect claims from

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread Stroller
On 28 Jun 2008, at 02:41, Daniel Iliev wrote: On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:20:50 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Schilling) wrote: Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is valid and interesting, moreover it is asked very kindly. I can't see what possibly might be preventing you to

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The URLs mentioned did point to disinformation from lwn.net that should be easily identifyable as incorrect claims. If such URLs are published without comment, I asume that the questionair believes the incorrect claims from lwn.net. Would you answer

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you continue to attack me? Do you really believe that this helps? Why didn't you use Google to find and read my FAQ for the topic on the cdrtools web page? The CD/DVD related questions on this list that I answer are all based on bugs introduced by the

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread b.n.
Joerg Schilling ha scritto: No, this is your assumption. Mine is the opposite - as I see it, the question is very real and the author admitted that he found those URLs using Google which implies he had nothing to do them. Could you explain me why he did not read the information on the cdrtools

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread b.n.
Joerg Schilling ha scritto: Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you continue to attack me? Do you really believe that this helps? Repeat with me, Joerg. No one is attacking me. Take a deep breath and repeat. No one is attacking me. Again and again and again. Joerg, really. You suffer

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
Hi, Jörg, you do have a point (or two) and guys? Cut him some slack, ok? I had my 'clashes' with him in the past, and yes, sometimes he is tiresome to deal with or too tempting to provoke him, but this whole mess is really not his fault or only to a very small part that could easily explained

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread Mick
On Thursday 26 June 2008, John covici wrote: on Thursday 06/26/2008 Joerg Schilling([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote Then call: cdda2wav -e -N -B If everything is OK, then you will be able to listen to the music. Otherwise you see human readble error messages that point you to the

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread John covici
on Saturday 06/28/2008 Mick([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote On Thursday 26 June 2008, John covici wrote: on Thursday 06/26/2008 Joerg Schilling([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote Then call: cdda2wav -e -N -B If everything is OK, then you will be able to listen to the music.

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Saturday 28 June 2008, Joerg Schilling wrote: Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you continue to attack me? Joerg, He is not attacking you. Here's some good advice: drop the paranoia. please. Stroller is going out of his way and bending over backwards to invite you to answer some

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread Stroller
On 28 Jun 2008, at 12:02, Joerg Schilling wrote: Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped? Why do you continue to attack me? You're a nutter, mate. Why didn't you use Google to find and read my FAQ for the topic on the cdrtools web page? Why didn't you just give me the URL of your

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread Daniel Iliev
Joerg, I'd be glad if you (can) explain me where I'm wrong. GPL, Section 0, Sentence 1: == This License applies to any program or other work which contains a notice placed by the copyright holder saying it may be distributed under the terms of this General Public License. ==

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read it (admittedly, read mostly the google cache because berlios.de seems slow/unreachable now). berlios.de is quick - much faster than the google cache. It may be that your internet provider has a bad peering with the German research network. It just says I

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling ha scritto: Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you continue to attack me? Do you really believe that this helps? Repeat with me, Joerg. No one is attacking me. Just because you did not read it to it's end does not meanthat he

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread Daniel Iliev
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:33:12 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Schilling) wrote: The CDDL has been designed to be compatible with all OSS licenses. The GPL has been designed to be incompatible (*) with all other licenses including the LGPL. OpenSource needs collaboration. This cannot happen

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread b.n.
Joerg Schilling ha scritto: b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling ha scritto: Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you continue to attack me? Do you really believe that this helps? Repeat with me, Joerg. No one is attacking me. Just because you did not read it to it's end

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-28 Thread Mark Kirkwood
b.n. wrote: Joerg Schilling ha scritto: b.n. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling ha scritto: Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you continue to attack me? Do you really believe that this helps? Repeat with me, Joerg. No one is attacking me. Just because you did not read it

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-27 Thread Yoav Luft
OK, it works! this what I did: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/music $ cdda2wav -e -N -B cdda2wav: No such file or directory. Cannot open '-1'. Cannot open SCSI driver. cdda2wav: For possible targets try 'wodim -scanbus'. Make sure you are root. Use the script scan_scsi.linux to find out more. Probably you

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 26 June 2008, Joerg Schilling wrote: A more general problem is the license incompatibility with libcdio. Sun dropped libcdio already a year ago after Sun lawyers detected the problem and I expect that Linux distros will do the same soon.

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Yoav Luft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, it works! this what I did: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/music $ cdda2wav -e -N -B cdda2wav: No such file or directory. Cannot open '-1'. Cannot open SCSI driver. cdda2wav: For possible targets try 'wodim -scanbus'. Make sure you are root. Use the script

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-27 Thread Stroller
On 27 Jun 2008, at 10:25, Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 26 June 2008, Joerg Schilling wrote: A more general problem is the license incompatibility with libcdio. Sun dropped libcdio already a year ago after Sun lawyers detected the problem and I

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-27 Thread Alan McKinnon
On Friday 27 June 2008, Joerg Schilling wrote: If we ignore this, we come to the problem identified by the Sun lawyers: If you run sound-juicer, then gstreamer (being LGPL) loads and calls libcdio which is GPL. This is not allowed by the GPL. GPL and LGPL are incompatible. Thanks for the

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-27 Thread Stroller
On 27 Jun 2008, at 10:57, Joerg Schilling wrote: Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Jun 2008, at 10:25, Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 26 June 2008, Joerg Schilling wrote: A more general problem is the license incompatibility with libcdio.

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27 Jun 2008, at 10:25, Joerg Schilling wrote: Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 26 June 2008, Joerg Schilling wrote: A more general problem is the license incompatibility with libcdio. Sun dropped libcdio already a year ago after

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-27 Thread Daniel Iliev
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:57:43 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Schilling) wrote: Stroller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you now appear to be answering license questions, could I trouble you, please, to address this query? http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/200045 If

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-27 Thread Joerg Schilling
Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is valid and interesting, moreover it is asked very kindly. I can't see what possibly might be preventing you to answer the same way. I did answer these questions many times before and in many cases I have later been attacked. The URLs

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-27 Thread b.n.
Joerg Schilling ha scritto: The URLs mentioned did point to disinformation from lwn.net that should be easily identifyable as incorrect claims. If such URLs are published without comment, I asume that the questionair believes the incorrect claims from lwn.net. Would you answer people if they

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-27 Thread Daniel Iliev
On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 00:20:50 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joerg Schilling) wrote: Daniel Iliev [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is valid and interesting, moreover it is asked very kindly. I can't see what possibly might be preventing you to answer the same way. I did answer these

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 06:53:24 +0100, Stroller wrote: As it bloody well should be. An analogue cable is not fixing the problem. It has for years been possible to play music from a CD-ROM connected by only the EIDE cable. Although some CD player software needs to be explicitly told to use

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
John covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This looks like the two-wire cable between the CD ROM and your soundcard is missing or loose. I'd check this first. If this is a laptop, it might well be that the connection between the two subsystems was left out intentionally by the

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
W.Kenworthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some (and only some) multimedia audio broke in the last few of updates on two of my systems with cmi chipsets - I had to select IEC958 Monitor before I got sound back. Might be the same thing. and no, I am not using digital output. If this doesnt help

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread John covici
on Thursday 06/26/2008 Joerg Schilling([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote John covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This looks like the two-wire cable between the CD ROM and your soundcard is missing or loose. I'd check this first. If this is a laptop, it might well be that the connection

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
John covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend you to get a recent cdrtools (e.g. from ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/) and install cdda2wav suid root. Then call: cdda2wav -e -N -B If everything is OK, then you will be able to listen to the music.

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread John covici
on Thursday 06/26/2008 Joerg Schilling([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote John covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend you to get a recent cdrtools (e.g. from ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/alpha/) and install cdda2wav suid root. Then call: cdda2wav -e

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
John covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, cdcd is what I would like to use, it thinks it is playing, and did work when I had a driv with that cable, but I hear no sound now. I think it is reading the data off of the cd and I guess its not doing the correct thing with it. Can you

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Mark Kirkwood
John covici wrote: Can you recomend a console player with some features like rewind, fast forward, pause and title lookup, etc -- I don't mind changing if I need to change. Not a console player, but totem plays cds and movies with minimum of fuss, and if you have the complete Gnome install

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Mark Kirkwood
I wrote: Not a console player, but totem plays cds and movies with minimum of fuss, and if you have the complete Gnome install then it is just there. Actually, I am completely mistaken...it's sound-juicer that is playing the cd I'm listening to right now (I usually listen to streaming

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Mark Kirkwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote: Not a console player, but totem plays cds and movies with minimum of fuss, and if you have the complete Gnome install then it is just there. Actually, I am completely mistaken...it's sound-juicer that is playing the cd I'm listening

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread John covici
on Thursday 06/26/2008 Joerg Schilling([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote Mark Kirkwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wrote: Not a console player, but totem plays cds and movies with minimum of fuss, and if you have the complete Gnome install then it is just there. Actually, I

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Volker Armin Hemmann
On Wednesday 25 June 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: This looks like the two-wire cable between the CD ROM and your soundcard is missing or loose. you don't need that cable. Really. You don't. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
John covici [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And it wants a non-existent library libesdat.so.0 -- I await the player you are working on, but a text console version would be very convenient. cdda2wav has an interactive mode since yesterday. Check 2.01.01a42 call: cdda2wav -e -N -B to play all

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:06:18 -0400, John covici wrote: Well, cdcd is what I would like to use, it thinks it is playing, and did work when I had a driv with that cable, but I hear no sound now. I think it is reading the data off of the cd and I guess its not doing the correct thing with it.

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Uwe Thiem
On Thursday 26 June 2008, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 25 June 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: This looks like the two-wire cable between the CD ROM and your soundcard is missing or loose. you don't need that cable. Really. You don't. Sure. Some software can rip tracks off the CD in the

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Uwe Thiem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 26 June 2008, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: On Wednesday 25 June 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote: This looks like the two-wire cable between the CD ROM and your soundcard is missing or loose. you don't need that cable. Really. You don't. Sure.

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Joerg Schilling wrote: sound-juicer has several problems: - it depends on gstreamer/libcdio which is not a logal code combination. - It uses libmusicbrainz to extract the TOC and gets wrong TOC information for CD-extra, then tries to play data tracks. No doubt true (as you

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Joerg Schilling
Mark Kirkwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: sound-juicer has several problems: - it depends on gstreamer/libcdio which is not a logal code combination. - It uses libmusicbrainz to extract the TOC and gets wrong TOC information for CD-extra, then tries to

Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's

2008-06-26 Thread Mark Kirkwood
Joerg Schilling wrote: Mark Kirkwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - An enhanced cd with data tracks etc is not actually a cd according the Phillip spec... Well, it is on the Philips specs and is called CD+ or CDextra. Thanks Joerg - you are correct, I was not aware of the addition

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