Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Neil Bothwick  wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:08:15 +0100, waben...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > What I also don't want is too much crap that I don't need, e.g. a
> > networkmanger. Although I set USE="-networkmanager" portage wants
> > to install it when I type "emerge -pv plasma-meta".   
> 
> It uses the geolocation code in the networkmanager library this is a
> hard dependency until someone decided to create a patch.. I too don't
> need NM (I use systemd-networkd) but I have to have NM installed, but
> not running.

THX for the info. I've added -geolocation to my useflags. This pretended
networkmanager from being built.

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Nikos Chantziaras  wrote:

> On 18/03/16 23:57, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > KDE 5 is absolutely nothing like KDE3. So by all means try it, but
> > evaluate it on it's own terms. It's not a better KDE3, it's a whole
> > different DE  
> 
> And full of bugs :-P
> 
> Holy crap is it full of bugs. Like, seriously.

I've only installed plasma-desktop, systemsettings5 and dolphin. 
After some hours of playing around, I decided to stay with XFCE,
but to use dolphin as filemanager.

XFCE is much faster and more stable then plasma. With plasma the 
mousepointer is buggy. It changed the cursor theme sometimes to a 
tiny black pointer when moved over certain areas of the desktop.
There were also bugs when I changed the plasma theme. When I've 
chosen breeze-dark, the colors became light and when I've chosen 
breeze, the colors became dark. After some fiddling I've got what 
I wanted, but after a few minutes the panel and the window 
decorations are disappeared and I had to restart the session.

Maybe in some months I will try it again. But for the moment I 
think it's better to use my old environment. The breeze-dark
theme however is something that I really like and so I decided to
use it (slightly modified) for my gtk2 and gtk3 apps and of course 
also for dolphin.

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Philip Webb]

160318 waben...@gmail.com wrote:
> Alan Grimes  wrote:
>> Philip Webb wrote:
>>> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
>>> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.
>> The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x.  Then the flood came (Qt 4)

My conclusion at the time was that my current set-up is slightly better :
Fluxbox provides the same basics & is simpler than the KDE 3 environment,
while the KDE apps I use (mainly Konsole Gwenview Okular) are better in 4 .

However, there are  2  small items I really miss : Kmahjongg Kworldclock .
I had them in my previous machine (now stand-by),
but they need a library which I can't install anymore,
so I haven't tried to recreate them in my new machine.
(Yes, I know there is Kmahjongg-4 , but it doesn't do "removed tiles").

> waben...@gmail.com wrote:
>> What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror.
>> It was way better than any other filemanager that I know.

I use Krusader & recommend it very highly for heavy file-lifting :
have you tried it ? -- if not, do : you may well like it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Alan Grimes]

Philip Webb wrote:

> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.

The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x... then the flood came... (Qt 4)
and all the developer started having Ideas about things that could go
into the new version


-- 
IQ is a measure of how stupid you feel.

Powers are not rights.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Mick  wrote:

> On Friday 18 Mar 2016 19:29:29 waben...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror. It was way
> > better than any other filemanager that I know. Of course I've
> > tested the KDE4 konqueror and also dolphin but it was horrible
> > compared to the old konqueror. Now I'm using thunar. It's far away
> > from being perfect, but it seems to be the lesser of the evils. ;-)
> > 
> > --
> > Regards
> > wabe  
> 
> I'm still using Konq rather than dolphin as a file manager and
> continue to be happy with it.  :-)
> 
> What's stopping you using it?

It's some years ago and when I'm honest, I can't remember exactly 
what displeased me. :-) 
IIRC one thing was that the detailed view mode was not as compact
as it was with konqueror3. And there were some problems with the
theme (missing icons and some other glitches). And IIRC I also 
missed some functions.

Maybe I will try it again with KDE5. But this also depends on the 
dependencies. :-) I'm not sure if I'm willing to install the complete
KDE environment for this test.

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 13:49:44 -0500, Dale wrote:

> [ebuild   R] kde-apps/konqueror-15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo 
> USE="bookmarks handbook svg (-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB
> 
> The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like things
> running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease. 

sudo konqueror works here.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"Theory and practice are the same in theory, but different in practice"


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Alan Grimes  wrote:

> Philip Webb wrote:
> 
> > So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
> > Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.  
> 
> The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x... then the flood came... (Qt
> 4) and all the developer started having Ideas about things that could
> go into the new version

Also IMHO KDE 3.5 was the best (K)DE. :-)

But I can't envisage that KDE will ever reach that quality again.

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 08:24:51 -0700, Daniel Frey wrote:

> Using `kfmclient openProfile filemanagement` doesn't work for me (I
> can't browse /root), and `sudo konqueror` doesn't work (can't connect to
> X server.)

Probably an environment variable not surviving the transition to root,
try sudo -E konqueror.
 
> However, what did work was `kdesu konqueror`, which asked me for the
> root password. When I entered it, I can browse /root and create/edit
> files.

kdesu and kdesudo take care of the fiddly bits involved in running X
programs as a different user (as does sux).


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Dale]

Daniel Frey wrote:
> On 03/19/2016 07:56 AM, »Q« wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:52:22 -0500
>> Dale  wrote:
>>
>>> Neil Bothwick wrote:
 On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:51:24 -0500, Dale wrote:
  
>>> The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like
>>> things running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow
>>> grease. 
>> sudo konqueror works here.  
> This works here as a desktop shortcut.
>
> kfmclient openProfile filemanagement   
 How does that run it as root?  
>>> When I click it, it asks for the root password and after that, it runs
>>> as root just like the old KDE3 did.  It's actually how it worked in
>>> KDE3 since I stole it from there. 
>> That shouldn't work (and doesn't here) without some more "elbow grease
>> and hammers" somewhere.
>>
> Using `kfmclient openProfile filemanagement` doesn't work for me (I
> can't browse /root), and `sudo konqueror` doesn't work (can't connect to
> X server.)
>
> However, what did work was `kdesu konqueror`, which asked me for the
> root password. When I entered it, I can browse /root and create/edit files.
>
> All were done in a terminal as a non-root user.
>
> Dan
>
>
>


It has worked here ever since I switched to KDE4.  It worked just
yesterday and just for giggles, I just checked it again and it worked
like it always has.  As long as it works, I'll keep using it. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Daniel Frey]

On 03/19/2016 07:56 AM, »Q« wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:52:22 -0500
> Dale  wrote:
> 
>> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:51:24 -0500, Dale wrote:
>>>  
>> The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like
>> things running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow
>> grease. 
> sudo konqueror works here.  
 This works here as a desktop shortcut.

 kfmclient openProfile filemanagement   
>>> How does that run it as root?  
>>
>> When I click it, it asks for the root password and after that, it runs
>> as root just like the old KDE3 did.  It's actually how it worked in
>> KDE3 since I stole it from there. 
> 
> That shouldn't work (and doesn't here) without some more "elbow grease
> and hammers" somewhere.
> 

Using `kfmclient openProfile filemanagement` doesn't work for me (I
can't browse /root), and `sudo konqueror` doesn't work (can't connect to
X server.)

However, what did work was `kdesu konqueror`, which asked me for the
root password. When I entered it, I can browse /root and create/edit files.

All were done in a terminal as a non-root user.

Dan

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Dale]

waben...@gmail.com wrote:
> Alan Grimes  wrote:
>
>> Philip Webb wrote:
>>
>>> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
>>> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.  
>> The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x... then the flood came... (Qt
>> 4) and all the developer started having Ideas about things that could
>> go into the new version
> Also IMHO KDE 3.5 was the best (K)DE. :-)
>
> But I can't envisage that KDE will ever reach that quality again.
>
> --
> Regards
> wabe
>
>


You two just said a mouth full and I agree.  That last part of KDE3 was
some good stuff.  To this day, I still can't get my desktop slide show
to *not* be random.  I filed a bug way back when KDE3 forced folks to
move to KDE4.  I can see how making it random may require some work but
disabling it shouldn't take to much work.  Just beat the random thing
until it dies.  lol 

That's just one thing tho.  KDE3 was much faster in my opinion. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Mick]

On Friday 18 Mar 2016 19:29:29 waben...@gmail.com wrote:

> What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror. It was way better
> than any other filemanager that I know. Of course I've tested the KDE4
> konqueror and also dolphin but it was horrible compared to the old
> konqueror. Now I'm using thunar. It's far away from being perfect, but
> it seems to be the lesser of the evils. ;-)
> 
> --
> Regards
> wabe

I'm still using Konq rather than dolphin as a file manager and continue to be 
happy with it.  :-)

What's stopping you using it?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Dale  wrote:

> waben...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Alan Grimes  wrote:
> >  
> >> Philip Webb wrote:
> >>  
> >>> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
> >>> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.
> >> The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x... then the flood came...
> >> (Qt 4) and all the developer started having Ideas about things
> >> that could go into the new version  
> > Also IMHO KDE 3.5 was the best (K)DE. :-)
> >
> > But I can't envisage that KDE will ever reach that quality again.
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> > wabe
> >
> >  
> 
> 
> You two just said a mouth full and I agree.  That last part of KDE3
> was some good stuff.  To this day, I still can't get my desktop slide
> show to *not* be random.  I filed a bug way back when KDE3 forced
> folks to move to KDE4.  I can see how making it random may require
> some work but disabling it shouldn't take to much work.  Just beat
> the random thing until it dies.  lol 
> 
> That's just one thing tho.  KDE3 was much faster in my opinion. 

What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror. It was way better 
than any other filemanager that I know. Of course I've tested the KDE4 
konqueror and also dolphin but it was horrible compared to the old
konqueror. Now I'm using thunar. It's far away from being perfect, but
it seems to be the lesser of the evils. ;-)

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:51:24 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
 The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like things
 running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease.   
>>> sudo konqueror works here.
>> This works here as a desktop shortcut.
>>
>> kfmclient openProfile filemanagement 
> How does that run it as root?

When I click it, it asks for the root password and after that, it runs
as root just like the old KDE3 did.  It's actually how it worked in KDE3
since I stole it from there. 


>
>> Never cared much for sudo either. 
> If you want to run things as root, it's the obvious choice. Even more so
> if you want to run some things as root without a password prompt
> (although doing that with a file manager s not a wise move).
>
>

I've tried sudo and just don't like it.  Same as I don't like Gnome
either.  It just isn't something I cared for.  Besides, I don't mind
typing in the root password. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Dale]

waben...@gmail.com wrote:
> Dale  wrote:
>
>> waben...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Alan Grimes  wrote:
>>>  
 Philip Webb wrote:
  
> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.
 The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x... then the flood came...
 (Qt 4) and all the developer started having Ideas about things
 that could go into the new version  
>>> Also IMHO KDE 3.5 was the best (K)DE. :-)
>>>
>>> But I can't envisage that KDE will ever reach that quality again.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards
>>> wabe
>>>
>>>  
>>
>> You two just said a mouth full and I agree.  That last part of KDE3
>> was some good stuff.  To this day, I still can't get my desktop slide
>> show to *not* be random.  I filed a bug way back when KDE3 forced
>> folks to move to KDE4.  I can see how making it random may require
>> some work but disabling it shouldn't take to much work.  Just beat
>> the random thing until it dies.  lol 
>>
>> That's just one thing tho.  KDE3 was much faster in my opinion. 
> What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror. It was way better 
> than any other filemanager that I know. Of course I've tested the KDE4 
> konqueror and also dolphin but it was horrible compared to the old
> konqueror. Now I'm using thunar. It's far away from being perfect, but
> it seems to be the lesser of the evils. ;-)
>
> --
> Regards
> wabe
>
>


I still use Konqueror but I disabled some USE flags early on since I
didn't want some of the bloat.  I think I had to enable some since they
were no longer a option but sort of forced.  Anyway, this is the USE
flags for mine but since it is a short list, USE flags for other
packages may affect it more.

[ebuild   R] kde-apps/konqueror-15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo 
USE="bookmarks handbook svg (-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB

The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like things
running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease.  I use it to
edit config files and it has to run as root to do that.  I generally
have it open only when I am doing a update tho.  Obviously, I never do
internet stuff with it either.  < wags finger >

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Neil Bothwick]

On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:51:24 -0500, Dale wrote:

> >> The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like things
> >> running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease.   

> > sudo konqueror works here.

> This works here as a desktop shortcut.
> 
> kfmclient openProfile filemanagement 

How does that run it as root?

> Never cared much for sudo either. 

If you want to run things as root, it's the obvious choice. Even more so
if you want to run some things as root without a password prompt
(although doing that with a file manager s not a wise move).


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Neil Bothwick]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2016 04:08:15 +0100, waben...@gmail.com wrote:

> What I also don't want is too much crap that I don't need, e.g. a
> networkmanger. Although I set USE="-networkmanager" portage wants to 
> install it when I type "emerge -pv plasma-meta". 

It uses the geolocation code in the networkmanager library this is a
hard dependency until someone decided to create a patch.. I too don't
need NM (I use systemd-networkd) but I have to have NM installed, but not
running.


-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Philip Webb  wrote:

> 160318 waben...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Alan Grimes  wrote:  
> >> Philip Webb wrote:  
> >>> So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
> >>> Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.  
> >> The last good version of KDE was 3.5.x.  Then the flood came (Qt
> >> 4)  
> 
> My conclusion at the time was that my current set-up is slightly
> better : Fluxbox provides the same basics & is simpler than the KDE 3
> environment, while the KDE apps I use (mainly Konsole Gwenview
> Okular) are better in 4 .

Do you have installed the complete KDE4? If not, what packages do
you have installed to configure the look and feel of your KDE apps?
 
> However, there are  2  small items I really miss : Kmahjongg
> Kworldclock . I had them in my previous machine (now stand-by),
> but they need a library which I can't install anymore,
> so I haven't tried to recreate them in my new machine.
> (Yes, I know there is Kmahjongg-4 , but it doesn't do "removed
> tiles").
> 
> > waben...@gmail.com wrote:  
> >> What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror.
> >> It was way better than any other filemanager that I know.  
> 
> I use Krusader & recommend it very highly for heavy file-lifting :
> have you tried it ? -- if not, do : you may well like it.

Thanks for your suggestion.

The dependencies are about the same as I would install konqueror. 
Over 20 new packages and also some blockers.

And it seems that it is such a two panel thing, but that's usually 
not my thing. ;-) 
Is it possible to use tabs and just one panel? And does it have a 
tree mode?

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Philip Webb]

160318 Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> On 17/03/16 18:00, Philip Webb wrote:
AG> I tried to fix it by setting wayland, gles2 and egl to default
> because they were breaking other packages.
PW> Why are you using Wayland ? -- it's still largely experimental, isn't it ?
NC> KDE 5 packages force the wayland USE flag on
> & break 'emerge', if you try to disable wayland.

So that needs rephrasing : "Why is AG using KDE 5 ? " (smile).
Everything works for me using Fluxbox + some KDE 4 apps.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Alan McKinnon]

On 19/03/2016 05:08, waben...@gmail.com wrote:
> Alan McKinnon  wrote:
> 
>>> Maybe I will try it again with KDE5. But this also depends on the 
>>> dependencies. :-) I'm not sure if I'm willing to install the
>>> complete KDE environment for this test.  
>>
>> KDE 5 is absolutely nothing like KDE3. So by all means try it, but
>> evaluate it on it's own terms. It's not a better KDE3, it's a whole
>> different DE

[snip]

> I think, I should read some information before I try to install KDE5.
> 
> A (maybe silly) question: Is it possible to install KDE5 without 
> systemd? I'm still using openrc and I don't wanna change this atm.


Yes.

KDE5 does not *require* systemd at all. It runs fine with openrc


-- 
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alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Dale  wrote:

> I still use Konqueror but I disabled some USE flags early on since I
> didn't want some of the bloat.  I think I had to enable some since
> they were no longer a option but sort of forced.  Anyway, this is the
> USE flags for mine but since it is a short list, USE flags for other
> packages may affect it more.
> 
> [ebuild   R] kde-apps/konqueror-15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo 
> USE="bookmarks handbook svg (-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB

I've checked it out right now and portage told me that I would have to 
install 22 new packages and also that there a 4 blockers. And then I
only will have konqueror and no control panel or something like that.
Maybe I will try it when I have much spare time. :-)

> The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like things
> running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease.  I use it
> to edit config files and it has to run as root to do that.  I

As root I only use a console on my system. But I think it was no 
problem to use KDE3 as root. IIRC SUSEs DE for root was KDE3 with some
red background wallpaper to remember the user that he is working in a
dangerous environment. :-)

> generally have it open only when I am doing a update tho.  Obviously,
> I never do internet stuff with it either.  < wags finger >

For browsing I use a VM. I'm too paranoid to do this on my host system.

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Alan McKinnon]

On 18/03/2016 22:37, waben...@gmail.com wrote:
> Mick  wrote:
> 
>> On Friday 18 Mar 2016 19:29:29 waben...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> What I miss most of all is the fantastic konqueror. It was way
>>> better than any other filemanager that I know. Of course I've
>>> tested the KDE4 konqueror and also dolphin but it was horrible
>>> compared to the old konqueror. Now I'm using thunar. It's far away
>>> from being perfect, but it seems to be the lesser of the evils. ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards
>>> wabe  
>>
>> I'm still using Konq rather than dolphin as a file manager and
>> continue to be happy with it.  :-)
>>
>> What's stopping you using it?
> 
> It's some years ago and when I'm honest, I can't remember exactly 
> what displeased me. :-) 
> IIRC one thing was that the detailed view mode was not as compact
> as it was with konqueror3. And there were some problems with the
> theme (missing icons and some other glitches). And IIRC I also 
> missed some functions.
> 
> Maybe I will try it again with KDE5. But this also depends on the 
> dependencies. :-) I'm not sure if I'm willing to install the complete
> KDE environment for this test.

KDE 5 is absolutely nothing like KDE3. So by all means try it, but
evaluate it on it's own terms. It's not a better KDE3, it's a whole
different DE


-- 
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Philip Webb]

160318 waben...@gmail.com wrote:
> Do you have installed the complete KDE4? If not, what packages
> do you have installed to configure the look and feel of your KDE apps ?

None that I know of.

>> I use Krusader & recommend it very highly for heavy file-lifting :
>> have you tried it ? -- if not, do : you may well like it.
> Is it possible to use tabs and just one panel ?
> Does it have a tree mode ?

Yes -- I don't know -- Yes.  There are lots of useful features.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Philip Webb  wrote:

> 160318 waben...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Do you have installed the complete KDE4? If not, what packages
> > do you have installed to configure the look and feel of your KDE
> > apps ?  
> 
> None that I know of.
> 
> >> I use Krusader & recommend it very highly for heavy file-lifting :
> >> have you tried it ? -- if not, do : you may well like it.  
> > Is it possible to use tabs and just one panel ?
> > Does it have a tree mode ?  
> 
> Yes -- I don't know -- Yes.  There are lots of useful features.

THX for your answer. But after playing around with KDE5 in an VM, I 
think that I probably will try the new dolphin.

--
Regards
wabe

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2016 13:49:44 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>> [ebuild   R] kde-apps/konqueror-15.08.3:4/15.08::gentoo 
>> USE="bookmarks handbook svg (-aqua) -debug" 0 KiB
>>
>> The hard part, getting it to run as root.  KDE doesn't like things
>> running as root so it took a hammer and some elbow grease. 
> sudo konqueror works here.
>
>


This works here as a desktop shortcut.

kfmclient openProfile filemanagement 

Never cared much for sudo either. 

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: The war continues.

[wabenbau]

Alan McKinnon  wrote:

> > Maybe I will try it again with KDE5. But this also depends on the 
> > dependencies. :-) I'm not sure if I'm willing to install the
> > complete KDE environment for this test.  
> 
> KDE 5 is absolutely nothing like KDE3. So by all means try it, but
> evaluate it on it's own terms. It's not a better KDE3, it's a whole
> different DE

I've installed OpenSuse Tumbleweed in a VM and played a bit with 
KDE5. Despite the fact, that the graphics of a KVM VM isn't really 
fast enough for the fancy effects of KDE5, I'm really impressed.
Dolphin seems to be really usable and the many configuration options
are somewhat overwhelming after so many years of using only gtk 
environments. :-)

The main thing that makes me hesitating is that the whole KDE5 stuff 
is marked ~amd64. I'm running a mostly stable system and I don't 
wanna keywording too much packages. 

What I also don't want is too much crap that I don't need, e.g. a
networkmanger. Although I set USE="-networkmanager" portage wants to 
install it when I type "emerge -pv plasma-meta". 

I think, I should read some information before I try to install KDE5.

A (maybe silly) question: Is it possible to install KDE5 without 
systemd? I'm still using openrc and I don't wanna change this atm.

--
Regards
wabe