Comments about failed projects based on differing technologies.
Comments on speed of that vs speed of this.
Comments saying this thing bites and this other thing is...
Whoa - slow down...
I don't hold a PHD in database design but I do know:
1) A project fails for many more reasons than
Kevin,
You made my whole weekend/month and perhaps year.
Seems to work so far. Amazing to see Vim come up when an editor is
called. Thank you a million fold.
Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
I think it is working appropriately now. I forgot to
new one of my variables. It's fixed on the wikki
site.
David;
The failure of CHCS II was not just one failure but a series of nearly 10
successive failures where the only criterion was that the solution could not
be MUMPS. I lived it. I was there for the first three or four failures.
The four month integration trials out at Tripler where the
Now that is VERY interesting. It's going to make the next several months
even more interesting than they were already going to be. I'm also
interested in the CHCS remarks because I am working with DoD people to get
data flowing back and forth. However, CHCS II is not permanently shelved.
The
Well, I tend to shy away from freebies because of the support issues.
Dammit, stop laughing! I know, I know, like I can get support from
Microsoft. Still, there's the hope or illusion of support.
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There is very good commercial support for both Postgres and MySql...they
just don't advertise on million dollar America Cup racing yachts or F1
cars :-). Just ask the big trading houses and financial management firms
on Wall st. they were some of the first commercial adopters of these
tools. I
Getting more and more interesting. So what's the state of the art these
days in hierarchical/M databases? Is anyone trying to fix the problems like
them being difficult to query?
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Greg;
What I was saying is that the type of study you are talking about can
probably never be done because;
1) The study you are asking for costs money, (the money has to come from
somewhere),
2) Vendors won't spend the money because they know the outcome,
3) Legally running such a suite of
Yes, the proof is in the pudding, regardless of how it was made. VA
providers are used to a certain responsiveness and if that suffers there'll
be hell to pay.
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Richardson
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2005
No problem. Glad it works for you.
In the process of doing this, I learned about the
joe editor and pico editor. Although joe does not
have many features (although it is a fun nostalgic
trip back to my days of turbo pascal's editor), I
think it is the one I will offer for my staff to use.
I
Couldn't such a test be done with one of the
opensource relational databases? No contracts
there...
Kevin
--- Chris Richardson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greg;
What I was saying is that the type of study you
are talking about can
probably never be done because;
1) The study you are
It would be interesting to see a well designed study of the
performance characteristics of GTM (say) and MySQL (but let's be sure
it isn't an exercise in comparing apples and oranges).
I would expect GTM to fare quite well in such a study. I would also
expect to see some surprises.
Oh,
Perhaps I should wait and read all of the responses before responding, but
Ruben, I am sure you have missed the point that Richard Davis was making.
The conflict he refers to is not between IT professionals and the end users,
but a conflict between two classes of users: managers of the
On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 12:50:31PM -0600, James Gray wrote:
Perhaps I should wait and read all of the responses before responding, but
Ruben, I am sure you have missed the point that Richard Davis was making.
The conflict he refers to is not between IT professionals and the end
users, but a
Chris Richardson wrote:
... The Koreans did publish the results of one benchmark
they did in one of the Last MUG Quarterlies. The results were astounding.
Same hardware, same load, same task took the relationals 6 hours or more to
complete. MUMPS took something less than one hour to
Actually you do - I was once at a site that had a large Exchange setup
and something went wrong. It was hard to believe that Microsoft was on
the phone and put things back to normal within 4 hours (because of our
company's stupid mistake). Cache, Oracle, MySQL, etc - they all have
support
I think we agreed on most of it. It's hard to compare M to SQL or Mac
to Windows (although getting easier now that Macs will be Intel based).
On point #4 (change platforms when your current platform restricts your
architecture options.) is not targeted at the processor architecture
but the
I guess it depends on the application that you're implementing.
Microsoft, IBM, and Oracle all have implementations of the IBuySpy
portal. The fictional web site allows users to purchase products, use a
shopping cart, update a profile, etc. Each implemented the same
functional requirements but
Well, I tend to shy away from freebies because of the support issues.
This has no place in a serious discussion of issues. Support? From
Microsoft? When Seimans know they have have you by the gonads and
you've signed an exclusive contract with them for a healthcare system,
when do you expect
Do you compare the designed function or pure benchmarking? What's
important, filling a Global/Table with 100,000 bits of data and sorting
it? Or pulling up a 200 page catalog of products for 1,000 users? One
seems more practical than the other.
David
Hello :)
this is a mistake. They
If you look at Cache and some of the 3rd party tools supporting objects and
SQL, I think you'll find as many ways to query a MUMPS database as you could
want. The difficulty you describe in getting at some VistA data has more to
do with design than the technology.
Old systems on any platform have
Here's a fine example: Interoperability between VistA/M and other
systems.
There is never any reason to have an interoperability problem other than
when a company decides it is in their best interests to obscure
something. The most basic principle of Computer Sciences, as proven by
the
SQL may shine for a simple query, but you let the relationships get
a little more sophisticated and the SQL statement will need to be as
well. A lot of real world problems result in complex solutions, with
complex data representations, relational or otherwise. It sometimes
takes a skilled,
Your friends on Wall Street employ quite a few programmers, which they keep
very busy, some even with M. SQL does not mean you get your data any easier
or faster, or that you have less need of professional programmers.
If you are using a conventional RDBMS, realistically what is your
alternative
On Sun, Jun 12, 2005 at 07:15:38PM -0400, GARY MONGER wrote:
Your friends on Wall Street employ quite a few programmers, which they keep
very busy, some even with M. SQL does not mean you get your data any easier
or faster,
That is not the purpsoe of a database. A database needs to
Hey all,
I need help with a screenman form. I have followed
the tutorials for creating a screenman form. And by
the way, there is a new (as of 03/05) html-based front
end to the lotus screencam tutorials. They are quite
good.
My problem is that I insert a DATA DICTIONARY field
for file 8925
Ismet,
You should not need a POST-CLOSE EXECUTE, the CLOSE EXECUTE in the
TERMINAL TYPE will take care of it.
This field should be: CLOSE EXECUTE: W *27,E U IO K IO(1,IO) C IO
ZSYSTEM lpr -r -l -P _ION_ _IO
NOTE the _IO on the end this varible is equal to the device name so
the Linux
Hey all, I just realized that using a linux editor in
vista may pose a security risk.
The joe editor (and I believe the vim editor as well)
allow a user to shell out to a command line.
This might pose a security risk.
Just a FYI.
Kevin
__
Do
You could actually set X to 2 like this
S X1=(1+1)
S @(X=_X1)
This is a use of indirection that looks a bit odd, because it is
being applied to a string built on the fly, and the string evaluates
to the argument of the command (SET).
===
Gregory Woodhouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Before one gets
Ruben;
I have to mention at this point that the British Stock Exchange is
actually being run on MUMPS. Earlier someone said that not all banks run
MUMPS. This is a correct statement, but they can also spend a lot more
money for less service than if they were using MUMPS technology. Back in
Absolutely. You might get around this by making gtm the login shell
and arrange for your user not to have permission to run csh (or any
other shell). Another, perhaps simpler, solution would be to modify
the source to disable shell escapes and compile a new editor.
===
Gregory Woodhouse
curiouser and curiouser... :-)
thanks
Kevin
p.s.
I have tried several times to include a zshow * that
dumps the symbol table. But my Yahoo mail sees it as
spam and rejects it.. Oh well.
Kevin
--- Gregory Woodhouse
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You could actually set X to 2 like this
S
Yes, I know it is a pointer. But in this case it is
not a dangling pointer. Screen man is displaying the
valid IEN number for the patient instead of the name.
Kevin
--- Gregory Woodhouse
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As I'm sure you've guessed, the .01 field is a
pointer to file 2. My
Kevin,
I can't help much with the errors, though it looks like you already have
some good advice. My disclaimer is I am far from a purist, and use ScreenMan
to do some pretty easy jobs - like create, edit, and save data.
If you haven't I would suggest XQEDTOPT as an ideal ScreenForm to work
I was initially surprised to learn that MUMPS was being used for
financial/banking applications, but when you think about it, it makes
sense. The patterns of use and data organization have a lot in common
with health information systems.
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Gregory Woodhouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
And the end
Ironically, my code seems to some people to be littered with @
signs, but this is a kind of indirection I almost never use. It can
be useful in some scenarios, though, as in initializing variables
using lines retrieved from $TEXT (or even from a global).
===
Gregory Woodhouse
[EMAIL
Kevin --
I don't know about joe, but you can tell vim to prohibit shell escapes. Either
call it as rvim or call it with the -Z flag. Check the man page for details or
check the online documentation
(http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/starting.html).
Good question, though. An important
Kevin --
From the GT.M Messages and Recovery Procedures Manual:
--
INDEXTRACHARS
INDEXTRACHARS, Indirection string contains extra trailing
characters
Compile Time Error: This indicates that an indirection string ends with a
syntactically incorrect sequence.
Reading over this, I would suspect that a line in a table has a space
after it. Specifically, the code you are reading is looking at tables
MAP^DDFG0, SMAP^DDFG0, and DMAP^DDFG0.
One of the lines has (in the second piece) some non-MUMPS expression syntax
in the second piece.
Indeed, when I look
I'm sure it is obvious, but did you double check that the
pointer is actually valid? I know FileMan just returns a number
if the pointer is not actually pointing somewhere.
Let's say the number displaying is 1532. Since the root for the
PATIENT file (#2) is ^DPT( then I would like to know if
Hi
I was trying to exporting records of patients from
VistA to an HFS file. Using the CREATE EXPORT TEMPLATE, I have created an EXPORT
TEMPLATE specifying the fields to be exported and the FOREIGN FORMAT to be used
to export them. Now when I try to EXPORT DATA, it asks for the records to be
Kevin said:
Hey all,
And when I have a field for the author (which is a
pointer to file 200, it displays the author's name.
But when I have a field for the transcriptionist
(ENTERED BY field), which is also a pointer to file
200, it just displays their initials.
So how do I adjust the
Greg;
How do you think Fidelity (Sanchez and GT.m) makes their money?
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I was
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