I am working at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany at the
moment, and we have just brought up CHCS II at Landstuhl Regional
Medical Center and most of our associated clinics and hospitals across
Europe. CHCS II is now being run at DoD hospitals and clinics across
Europe. By the end of
Karl, haven't heard from you in a long time. This is news to me that CHCS
II is still being deployed. You are on the front line, so you have better
sources than mine, perhaps. I am late for work and can't connect again
until after work. Will write more this evening. Tell us more about the
Thanks Bhaskar, that helped.
Kevin
--- Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin --
I don't know about joe, but you can tell vim to
prohibit shell escapes. Either call it as rvim or
call it with the -Z flag. Check the man page for
details or check the online documentation
Ah, my cue to mention MDO and VistAWeb Services. MDO is designed to savvy
different kinds of data sources, M, SQL, HL7, XML, and present to the client
objects like ProgressNote, Allergy, etc., regardless of where the data came
from. We're putting this inside web services which results in an
Bhaskar,
Thanks for the help.
When I did a zshow *, it showed the variable table.
Surprisingly, there was no 'T' defined. Would this
cause such an error?
What would extra trailing characters look like in a
string?
Kevin
--- Bhaskar, KS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin --
From the GT.M
I'm embarassed. As soon as I read Bhaskar's note, I thought Oh yeah, I
remember that option (now). It completely slipped my mind that it was
even available.
But, as always, Bhaskar's postings are very helpful.
--- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Bhaskar, that helped.
Kevin
FWIW, I would advise against sending escape sequences or PCL directly to
a printer - makes the printer hard to replace. It would be better to
send either straight ASCII text or, for nicer printouts, Postscript.
Since there is a postscript driver on Linux for (almost) every printer,
you are
This is the second time this morning that I find myself profoundly not
in agreement with what you are saying.
There is an implication in your posting that freebies, as in open
source free software, is unsupported. As the vendor of a product that is
open source free software, but for which we
Hey, I've been wrong before, back in 1956 I think it was. Could even happen
again.
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Chris --
We make our money from selling GT.M support to VistA users in addition
to making money from banking and elsewhere. Think of GT.M as a profit
center (a business within a business) and we sell our services
internally as well as externally.
To Greg's point, what is, to the best of my
For what it's worth, as a graduate student in mathematics, I often
found it veey useful to go back to the work of great 19th century
mathematicians as I was trying to master a subject. In my opinion, the
time that an idea was first introduced should not be the only criterion
by which we judge its
Kevin --
The error is a compilation error, not a run time error. Had there been
no T, but clean M code to compile, there would have been a different
error - %GTM-E-UNDEF, Undefined local variable: T - rather than the
INDEXTRACHARS you saw.
You can print the string to look for extra
I know that one reason I have tended to shy away from Linux is that I
have been unable to find a vendor that sells and/or supports Linux on a
notebook. It's not that I don't have the technical competence to
install Linux, or even that I am averse to downloading and installing
new drivers, etc.
It's always nice to have a member join the group with a sense of humor.
Welcome!
-- Bhaskar
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Hey, I've been wrong before, back in 1956 I think it was. Could even happen
again.
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On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 10:59, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
I know that one reason I have tended to shy away from Linux is that I
have been unable to find a vendor that sells and/or supports Linux on a
notebook.
You mean besides Emperor Linux, HP, IBM and Dell? For what it is worth,
the correct term
On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 10:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey, I've been wrong before, back in 1956 I think it was. Could even happen
again.
If your implying that free Software shouldn't be used because of support
issues, then you've been wrong, as a fact, at least since 1991, if not
1981.
Chris -
I cannot really comment on the history of CHCS II as I have only been
re-associated with DoD software again for the last year and a half, and
I don't really know much about the development and deployment of this
product. I can tell you that the current developer is a company called
The user interface is really orthogonal to the database technology.
Thee is no reason why a Java based UI could not be built for a MUMPS
based application. In fact, CPRS-R does just this. I do believe there
are good reasons to move to a new platform (MUMPS based or not), but
this isn't one of
I've never heard of emperor Linux. I called Dell (and HP, and IBM).
Dell, for example, told me that they support Linux, but not on a
notebook.
--- Ruben Safir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 10:59, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
I know that one reason I have tended to shy away from
If you want certified and supported hardware with Linux, see
http://h10018.www1.hp.com/wwsolutions/linux/products/clients/clientscert-suse.html
for HP notebooks certified on Linux. If you want a laptop with Linux
pre-loaded, you will probably need to order off the web or by phone.
Walmart
I buy everything preinstalled, including recently from Dell and HPP,
although my favorite laptop is the Sony Picture Book I brought from
Emperor Linux.
Those guys are miracle workers.
Ruben
On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 11:41, K.S. Bhaskar wrote:
If you want certified and supported hardware with
So, basically SUSE is it...but that's sure an improvement over what I
found last time I looked -- which was nothing.
I don't know a think about SUSE, the only distribution I've worked with
is Red Hat. But I appreciate this link. I'll look into it.
--- K.S. Bhaskar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If
On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 11:16, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
I've never heard of emperor Linux. I called Dell (and HP, and IBM).
Dell, for example, told me that they support Linux, but not on a
notebook.
Talk to a different sales rep. It's not in their main line. Also, if
you have a cooperate
On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 11:13, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
The user interface is really orthogonal to the database technology.
Thee is no reason why a Java based UI could not be built for a MUMPS
based application.
All too true, but Java itself should be way down the list of options.
The GTK widget
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, Richard G. DAVIS wrote:
I understand the dichotomy Gregory mentions, and I agree with the views he
has expressed.
I quite agree with the basic thread of what Richrd has said in this
exchange. In fact we have put that exzct situation to both a website on
the EHR here at
Why do you need support? I have Windows XP on my
notebook. I never expect anything from Windows
(except for the occasional updates that consistently
remove functionality from my OS).
Kevin
--- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I've never heard of emperor Linux. I called Dell
(and HP,
Sorry, I'm not familiar with it. Is GTK a toolkit for use with X11?
What languages does it support/require (C, C++, Python)?
Incidentally, I was a little surprised when I recently upgraded my
PowerBook to Tiger that X11 was an installation option (though it is
not selected by default). I
Yes, but if your or the the vendor are paying an M$tax for software that
you don't use (which can happen if your vendor buys from another vendor
with XP pre-installed and then installs Linux over it), that is more
dollars that can be used to generate spread FUD innuendo.
-- Bhaskar
Ruben
Now, that's whst I call a web site!
--- A. Forrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, Richard G. DAVIS wrote:
I understand the dichotomy Gregory mentions, and I agree with the
views he
has expressed.
I quite agree with the basic thread of what Richrd has said in this
Maybe it's not support so much as knowing which doll to stick pins in. When
MS products don't work (yes, hard to believe), I know to append my new hate
to the hate I've already heaped on Bill Gates.
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There have been some postings regarding this issue so I hope these
comments are helpful.
I have been installing GNU/Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD on laptops
since 1998 with few problems. And now with all the increased driver
support (rare exceptions with some things like wireless
Incidentally, I was a little surprised when I recently upgraded my
PowerBook to Tiger that X11 was an installation option (though it is
not selected by default). I haven't done anything with X11 in a LONG
time.
How can anyone seriously work without X?
I'm talking to 4 computers now in 3
On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 12:22, Greg Woodhouse wrote:
Sorry, I'm not familiar with it. Is GTK a toolkit for use with X11?
What languages does it support/require (C, C++, Python)?
It works on X and W2K, although why use W2k is beyond me. I think it
works for Mac's as well.
There are binders
On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 12:35, Gillon, Joseph wrote:
I know to append my new hate
to the hate I've already heaped on Bill Gates.
ROFL
I so try not to do that. The guys who right SAMBA always say never to
attribute to mallous what is easily seen as incompetency.
Ruben
-Original
On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 12:56, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
LOL.
My kids are 5 and 7. Already I am teaching them that
the reason their computers (windows based) don't work
the way they want them to is Because Bill Gates is
Evil. LOL
Hmmm
On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 12:56, Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
LOL.
My kids are 5 and 7. Already I am teaching them that
the reason their computers (windows based) don't work
the way they want them to is Because Bill Gates is
Evil. LOL
I never teach my kids to hate ;)
What does this discussion have to do with VistA or with the specific
subject of this post VistaWeb Missing Apps?
Lloyd
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You have to be told?
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Milligan
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What does this discussion have
Lloyd,
Nothing! Absolutely nothing to do with the subject heading.
Isn't language wonderful?! Semantic drift in action. Now 'missing apps'
has a much broader meaning. (sic)
And, judging by the volume of posts to this subject, 'missing apps' is a
really interesting topic. ..
I am
See
http://www.acm.org/technews/articles/2005-7/0613m.html#item13
The most profound technologies are those that disappear.
--Mark Weiser
Greg Woodhouse
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My comments come as a trained human engineer and 'tool maker'.
1. People called upon to do 'work' do not usually have an opportunity to
love their work and to love the tools with which they must work. Some of us
are fortunate enough to have the discretion of choosing our work and the
implements
Human factors is an area of some interest to me, too (if nothing else,
by assignment, but I do think it's interesting).
A larege part of the popularity of VistA seems to be the appeal of CPRS
(interesting, because as a developer, it strikes me as really ugly and
even awkward). One thing I have
Okay, I'm sure I'm way behind the times here. My first foray into GUI
development was Xlib and Xt, working in C. It probably comes as no
surprise that I find Java Swing a much more friendly environment for
GUI development (and yes, I know it isn't open source). My question is
this: What is your
Joseph.Gillon wrote:
Getting more and more interesting. So what's the state of the art these
days in hierarchical/M databases? Is anyone trying to fix the problems like
them being difficult to query?
I am working to develop general web based query capabilities for MUMPS that can
take
advantage
One of my goals for my site has been the ability to
get data back out of VistA in a painless manner. For
me this means XML. And I am rapidly nearing the point
where I plan on finishing this project.
I have a couple of approaches I could take, and I'd
like input from the list
1. Write a custom
Greg Woodhouse wrote:
What is your preferred toolkit environment for X11 development? Why?
Mine is Mozilla. ;) Because our data is networked and Mozilla is Free and based
on Open
standards and it works the same everywhere - even without X - and because
HTTP/HTTPS
places security at a high
I assume you know about the RPC to get notes by patient/provider for a given
time interval, and you need something else?
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Subject:
You've asked this before. And frankly I don't have
anything to offer as suggestions to the UI of CPRS.
I would reorganize the cover page to allow
documentation of more issues in the past medical
history (i.e. prior surgeries, family history etc.),
but that's not a UI issue I think.
Kevin
---
Hee's a slightly modified version of some code I wrote to recursively
traverse a file entry. You could probably adapt it to produce an XML
serialization of the file. (Note that I originally wrote this using
GETS^DIQ, but according to my benchmarks, that version was much too
slow).
I've been thinking about ways to make a UI like this more easily
extensible and modular. Then again, this is arguably the purpos of HeV
Desktop.
And yes, I guess you're right. I have asked this question before.
--- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You've asked this before. And
I want the practice to be able to say, we don't want
to use VistA anymore, dump all the progress notes to a
DVD so we can import them into another system.
Kevin
--- Gillon, Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I assume you know about the RPC to get notes by
patient/provider for a given
time
Of course, if you just dump the progress notes to a file, won't they
still be in a proprietary format? It seems that what you need is an
EHR standard that supports interoperability. This is where I hope to go
with Triton and/or Orpheus.
--- Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I want the
My understanding of XML is that you try to make your
tags as self explainatory as possible (i.e. PATIENT
NAME, DATE OF BIRTH), and then hire a programmer to
import the data into the next system--hopefully in a
relatively painless manner.
Kevin
--- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Of
Well, yes, but interpreting the data properly doesn't occur magically.
Choosing good tag names is a start, but I wouldn't depend on the
programmer to get it right. I've been developing interfaces for the
past few years and have seen numerous cases of subtle differnces in how
different programmers
Thanks for the code. I may well use it.
Thanks
Kevin
--- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hee's a slightly modified version of some code I
wrote to recursively
traverse a file entry. You could probably adapt it
to produce an XML
serialization of the file. (Note that I originally
I am ignorant in this area. What is MOF and XMI? Is
it a standard output format I should follow?
Kevin
--- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Well, yes, but interpreting the data properly
doesn't occur magically.
Choosing good tag names is a start, but I wouldn't
depend on the
Greg have you looked into the OpenEHR initiativeit is attempting to
develop a usable EHR standard.
Joseph
Greg Woodhouse wrote:
Of course, if you just dump the progress notes to a file, won't they
still be in a proprietary format? It seems that what you need is an
EHR standard that
No, but I will.
--- Joseph Dal Molin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greg have you looked into the OpenEHR initiativeit is attempting
to
develop a usable EHR standard.
Joseph
Greg Woodhouse wrote:
Of course, if you just dump the progress notes to a file, won't
they
still be in a
People that express strong anti-Microsoft or anti-Bill always strike a
nerve with me.
I can understand that, as a user, a product may not work as advertised
or as you intended but this is the exact FUD you knock MS for.
Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. The Microsoft today isn't the same
Microsoft 5
On Mon, Jun 13, 2005 at 05:48:43PM -0400, David Sommers wrote:
People that express strong anti-Microsoft or anti-Bill always strike a
nerve with me.
I can understand that, as a user, a product may not work as advertised
or as you intended but this is the exact FUD you knock MS for.
No
Actually, I just did a google search on you, and I see no expereince on
your part with anything outside of MS Corporate work.
Please, don't fein any expertise in these issues without also stating either
your expertise in unbias computer sciences or disclosing your connections
with Microsoft.
Greetings, all. I've just joined the list, but this seems as good a
topic to jump in on as any.
--- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is on your UI wish list? What would you really like to see change?
I admit that I'm still so new that I haven't even seen the software in
And their software genuinely is without any merit.
How can you possibly say that? What is your definition of merit?
Jim
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There are ASTM standards on the Structure and Conent of the EHR that are
consistent with ADA standards on the EHR; These are conceptual content
standards that have had historic support of AHIMA. Thye also have some
consistency with HL7 messaaging structures and have been in touch with the
I realize that individuals among us have strong feelings for and against
different software vendors, products, business models and philosphies.
But one of the things this community has avoided in the past is a flame
war. I hope I speak for many who would like to keep it that way. Let
us feel
I think Windows 95 was ok and
Windows XP is much better and I'm hoping Longhorn is better than that.
I don't run Linux 2.4 anymore
This is also ridicules. I have 5 systems running 2.4 kernels and 3
running 2.3 kernels. And why are you comparing a Kernal to an Operating
System? bin
On Mon, 2005-06-13 at 18:32, James Gray wrote:
And their software genuinely is without any merit.
How can you possibly say that? What is your definition of merit?
Last post on this topic by me (consider it self moderation). Software
has merit when it is usable by the end user without
Everybody does seem to be getting. I just went to OMG to download the
MOF standard, and notice that on their main page they are talking about
their involvement with EHR standards, too. Of course, there is HL7 who,
in addition to the RIM and CDA has an EHR-S effort underway. I know
about CCR, but
Just to clarify...I didn't mean to imply OpenEHR doesn't contribute
anything new. What I DID mean is that I do not yet see it (after maybe
an hour or two of reading).
--- Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Everybody does seem to be getting. I just went to OMG to download the
MOF standard,
So, Karl, it sounds like they have implemented the MPI (Master Patient
Index) in Oracle. It would be interesting to see how these systems are
running and the cost. I had heard that Integic had been a player in CHCS
II and had made some progress. Cool. It does seem as though CHCS I is
still
Greg;
You also have (or had) Debian to play with, and I can provide you with
version 9.2 or 9.3 SuSe, if you wish.
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Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:00 AM
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I actually think that Microsoft makes fairly good
software. After all, if you get that many people
working together, with that kind of funding, you have
to have something to show for it.
What rubs me wrong about Microsoft is that I get a
very strong feeling that I exist to serve the
software,
Ken,
Welcome to the list. What it your connection to
VistA, or your interests in the software? Where are
you in school?
Kevin Toppenberg, MD
--- Ken Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greetings, all. I've just joined the list, but this
seems as good a
topic to jump in on as any.
--- Greg
Ken,
Welcome to the list. What it your connection to
VistA, or your interests in the software? Where are
you in school?
Kevin Toppenberg, MD
--- Ken Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greetings, all. I've just joined the list, but this
seems as good a
topic to jump in on as any.
--- Greg
Running sh configure displays error messages and doesn't install
*.gld's. Does anyone know what I'm missing?
%GTM-F-KILLBYSIGSINFO1, GT.M process 23914 has been killed by a
signal 11 at address 0x092C57D0 (vaddr
OK. So it would be most helpful to do one's XML
export using tags that everyone agrees on. But this
is apparently still an evolving area, where consensus
has not been reached.
So in the mean time, I think I will try to design a my
XML export system such that the end user can choose to
simply
On 6/13/05, Kevin Toppenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ken,
Welcome to the list. What it your connection to
VistA, or your interests in the software? Where are
you in school?
Kevin Toppenberg, MD
Thanks. I've no particular connection to VistA, and from what I've
heard from physicians
Ken, there are a few of us looking at what can be done about creating the CCR
from VistA data which is of particular interest because the roll-out of
VistA-Office EHR and the release of the CCR are likely to occur at the same
time, so that functionality within VistA-Office will be needed
Sure you need to store, preserve and validate the data, but we were
discussing querying the database. My contention is that design,
implementation, and complexity of the data relationships have as much to do
with how easy it is to get at the data as the tool used to get it. Systems
like VistA
May I suggest (the large) RIM model for HL7 v3. It's XML.
http://www.hl7.org/Library/data-model/index.cfm
It may not be a simple implementation of what you're looking for but it
is a standard and more than likely has too much. I wish I had a quick
little XML sample to paste in but I couldn't
Are you running as root? Did you encounter this with GT.M V4.4-004?
What distribution are you running? Let me take a shot in the dark. Are you
running Fedora Core 3 or Fedora Core 4? Do you have Security Enhanced Linux
turned on? If so, does turning off SE Linux make the problem go away?
From: Greg Woodhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 12:00:04 -0700 (PDT)
To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Hardhats-members] Human factors (was: 20th century)
Human factors is an area of some interest to me,
On 6/13/05, Nancy Anthracite [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ken, there are a few of us looking at what can be done about creating the CCR
from VistA data which is of particular interest because the roll-out of
VistA-Office EHR and the release of the CCR are likely to occur at the same
time, so that
In fact, I think this work is quite interesting, especially since it
seems to have quite an affinity with an area in which I have a
particular interest (applications of formal logic to computation and
modeling of complex systems). But at this stage, it isn't clear to me
how these ideas can
I've talked to Nancy about the need for modularity and extensibility
for precisely the same reasons. I don't think I've ever seen two
products with non-trivial data dictionaries map cleanly to one
another on a semantic level. Even when the mappings look like they
make sense, there are
What is on your UI wish list? What would you really like to see change?
That software engineers develop enough knowledge about Cognitive Engineering
to at least be 'dangerous', and that capability is then applied to their
work.
...
Wow
.
The ASK DEVICE parameter of the TELNET's entry in
the DEVICE file was set toNO. After changing it's value to YES, it
hasstarted asking the DEVICE.
Now it says that HFS device is busy. Where have I
gone wrong in the configuration of HFS device?
NUMBER:
39
NAME: GTM-UNIX-HFS $I:
For one thing, you probably want ASK HOST FILE to be YES. If you always want to use the same file name, then I think your OPEN PARAMETERS will cause problems, because it probably means getting a write lock. Anyway, I don't know what the options are (on GTM/Linux), but you probably want something
It absolutely makes sense to have a 'vanilla' EHR record format that
every conforming program would have the burden of being required to be
able to export data to/import data from, but with the understanding
that the simplified version of reality represented in that vanilla
record format might not
It worked with the following settings
NUMBER:
39
NAME:
GTM-UNIX-HFS
$I:
/home/vista/tmp/hfs.dat
ASK DEVICE:
NO
ASK PARAMETERS:
NO
VOLUME SET(CPU):
ROU
LOCATION OF TERMINAL: Host File Server
(GT.M)
ASK HOST FILE:
NO
ASK HFS I/O OPERATION:
NO
PAGE LENGTH: 9MNEMONIC:
To answer your questions in the previous message:
Are you running as root? Did you encounter this with GT.M V4.4-004?
Yes, I'm running as root. Don't know about v4.4, this is a new implementation,
i.e. no previous gtm versions existed.
What distribution are you running?
We're running
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