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From: Gary A Crull [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Sunday, 7 October, 2007 7:11:50 PM
Subject: Re:
Wonder if anyone can help. I've looked everywhere, that doesn't mean
it hasn't been asked/answered before, but can't find an explanation.
I've just entered details of a family relative who is now showing as
6th Cousin Once Removed *
What does the * mean, it's the first time I've seen this.
Many
from the help (relationships: asterisks)
If the relationship show is a cousin type, it will show the kind of
cousin (first, second, etc.) and how many generations removed, in the
form of 1C2R (first cousin, twice removed). If the generations
removed are in the descendant direction, meaning that
I think the term you're looking for is
Base Born
Gene
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From: Kay Fordham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Children out of Wedlock
Richard:
My U.S. birth certificate
Hello everyone
Please forgive me but I feel I finally have to put in my ten cents worth
here.
Sadly from time to time it would appear some of the topics end up dragging
on.. and on... and on forever, when in fact they should NEVER have been on
this site in the first place.
Are we not
Many thanks - all is clear now
On 08/10/2007, Evert van Dijken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
from the help (relationships: asterisks)
If the relationship show is a cousin type, it will show the kind of
cousin (first, second, etc.) and how many generations removed, in the
form of 1C2R (first
I think I've had enough, any other list, people would have been banned, and
kicked off, unsubscribed. I moderate several lists and that's common
procedure. Keeps up I'll simply unsubscribe John B.
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Dave,
Why don't you just back off and let people discuss alternatives with regard
to the keys to punch and what to type in connection with this issue? I' m
tired of people like you trying to shut down conversation.
On 10/8/07, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Allen,
I think you misread what
Perhaps there are some here who like to toss things around getting opinions from
others and then commenting wanting more information. Maybe we should hunt out
that list on RootsWeb and use it as a chat group.
I feel that some here only want strict q a concerning the technical
attributes of using
Hello Christine,
The best place to look for nicely done family history books is a library. I
found one of my ancestors in such a book at the Lancaster Hsitorical Society
Library. The book is interspersed with family history charts etc but it is
loaded with family history too. It is, quite
Allen,
I haven't seen a reply to this, but forgive me if I missed one.
I would make the website the source. Use the name of the website
and the title of the record (such as Access Genealogy, Bible
Records, FAMILY BIBLE OF JESSE BAIRD, put the URL in the
publication details and the date you
Jenny,
This question come about because of a mistake on my part. I found a piece
of paper where I had written two dates (probably birth and death dates - they
were about 70+ years apart). When I found the scrap of paper it made me wonder
if you could search dates in the family file - only
The purpose of this list is for q a - period! We are to keep our moral
opinions to ourselves on this list. You can state your opinion about what you
think is the best way to perform a task and share that with the list. The list
guidelines are very clear about that. If you want to complain to
Let's hear it for LURKING.
M-Lurker
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Crull
Sent: Sunday, 07 October, 2007 2:12 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Enough Already!
Geez people.GIVE IT A REST!!
I was
I only signed up yesterday, but I'm unsuscibing. Too much JUNK . . . I
don't have time!!!
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I agree with Jennifer, with a couple of additions. Mills would suggest
recording the full name of the Bible (Holy Bible, including both Old and New
Testaments, or whatever - italicized), its publication date, and if possible
it's provenance. Originally the Bible of xx, who left it to her daughter,
Thanks! ~Melody
On 10/6/07, John Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I found copies of GEDSplit, GEDLiving95 (to remove details on living
people), and Gedcaps95 (to change capitalization) tucked away in a far
corner of my hard drive.
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Hi Janis
In this case I don't believe these additional details are
available. Allen doesn't say which website he found it on, but
Googling gives these two:
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/bible/kentucky.htm
http://www.rootsweb.com/~kylinco2/bible_records/bible_records.htm
Jennifer
I would suggest keeping a copy of the page(s), since we all know that web
sites come and go, even if it's just a domain change (my pages just moved
to their fourth domain in 12 years; hopefully this one is permanent).
There are two ways to save a web page on your PC.
1. Click File - Save As -
In certain counties in North Carolina, living together as common law husband
and wife was more prevalent than you would think. I have found this to be
particularly true in the counties of Union, Montgomery, Stanly, and Anson.
The people involved were respectable people, they were church members
Is there a way of making the child sort by birthdate a default feature or
must each family be sorted?
Jacob
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Here is another thought on children born out of wedlock and those
cassanovas who seemingly left a trail of children via different women. Not
everyone in the US practiced monogamy, this was especially true in the early
1800's. Although the LDS had its beginnings with a belief in polygamy, the
I would try to contact the poster of the facts, to get
or purchase a photocopy of the various pages AND the
title page of the bible. Until then, keep the printout
stored safely.
Rich in LA CA
--- Jennifer Crockett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Allen,
I haven't seen a reply to this, but forgive me
I have not published a paper book for some time now - the expense became
more than I was willing to bear. What I have done instead is use the program
Passage Express to burn my data to a CD or DVD. It will include the book
but will now require the individual receiving the CD/DVD to have it
I can only add an Amen to seeing the original - or, in the case of a web
site, asking these questions of the person who posted the information.
Maybe they provide copies of the original pages?
I have only the marriage/birth/death pages from my maternal grandmother's
Bible. The rest could not be
I have a similar issue. I have xerox copies of pages from a family
bible. All I know for sure is it belonged to a member of the family. I
can't tell if the entries were all made at one time or not, although
it seems as though the earliest ones were and then others were made as
they happened. The
You can search on 'exact' dates in each of the various
date fields. (birth, baptism, death, burial, event,
source; but it isn't useful for a search of a bunch of
different ones. Can be tedious, but genealogy can be
at times.
Rich in LA CA
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Jenny,
This
A great addition to Legacy would be the ability to sort the name list by birth
date, including the ability to sort just tagged lists.
Also the ability to sort the columns of the index view by clicking on the
column header as is done in many databases.
Art Seddon,
Seattle, WA
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living together as common law husband
and wife was more prevalent than you would think
Actually it was really simply a practical matter. Many marriages took place
that were never legally filed at the county seat. Ministers and Priests etc
were supposed to file marriages but since many of these
I have one that I am currently working from, that an
ancestor produced in the 1980's.
My goal is to produce a new version of the book for my
mother's family. It contains the geneological lines,
as well as stories, exact text from wills and purchase
agreements, etc. from as far back as the 1800's.
I can't establish any of that... it's just a transcript of a bible that
exists somewhere. When I e-mail the person about it the message bounces.
I don't know if this is actually true or not. It corresponds to some of
what I have and adds information. I am very cautious to add it to my
In the family book I am working from, there is one
particular county that is addressed several times in
the book.
The county verifier in Legacy tells me every single
time that it did not exist in that state in that time
frame.
Is there a way to override this that I am not finding?
In the book,
The child sorting thing was covered recently and can be viewed in the archives.
I too thought that a button would be available to sort the current child list.
One problem is that you may know the correct birth order of the children, but
don't have birth dates filled in for all. If you sort the
If those pages were mine, then I'd 1) scan them, and 2) put the
description that you just gave (only use the actual names) in the
notes. I'd also post online to see if anyone else had info.
Dawn
Elaine O'Neill wrote:
I have a similar issue. I have xerox copies of pages from a family
I will be unsubscribing from this list. It is much easier and more pleasant
to simply search the archives for relevant topics. That said, as a potential
new Legacy customer, or a potential lost sale, I'd like to offer some
feedback to the Legacy staff before I unsubscribe. I'm posting it to list
I recently created a GEDCOM and noticed one of the options was:
[ ] Suppress Estimated Dates and Places
Do people use the brackets when they are estimating/calculating dates
and places? I couldn't find anything in the Legacy manual about them. Are
the brackets strictly to make estimated
I have this issue as well, and am glad it was brought
up.
I am divorced, and I just recently (as in two days ago
while back in hometown for family reunion) got my
ex-husband to agree to let me copy the pages of his
family Bible.
I will be going back in two weeks to do this, as his
wife could not
I am abounding with issues today! ugh.
How do you all incorporate individuals that have no
blood or family tie to your family, but yet hold
significant value to your files?
I have a gentleman that has been with our family since
the 1940's, yet is not related to us in any way.
When my mother's
I have the issue with adoption in my file. My father
is adopted, and has gone by his adopted surname all
his life. It is the name I was given at birth as well.
HOWEVER, he was not legally adopted until he was 16
years old.
I have him properly entered in my file, linked to his
biological mother
If you have the equipment yourself, take it. He may
remember more stuff while you are working. If not a
choice, offer to drive him and the book to the local
copy store. I have done this with family members who
would not part with the records for a second. This
also sets up trust for future
Fear all,
Surely the best way of sorting children these
days, is to bring back corporal punishment in schools?
[ I nearly write capital punishment - perhaps a step too far? ]
Nothing much to do with Family History.
Just wanted to bring back a happy atmosphere on
this List which seems to
If one were to look a little further in the archives, a method to globally
sort all children in the file IS available. While Legacy support did cite
the reason for not provodiing a button, nevertheless the ability to find out
which families have children that are not sorted in chronological order
Jess M wrote:
I would, however, like to find a way to link him in
the system, so that it will be intact during file
sharing or future reports.
I would create an event named close friend or best friend and attach that event to your
grandfather. I would then put all the information you have
Monogomy ... polygamy ... teachings of the Mormon Church associated
with the LDS (who cares?) ... aren't we getting off-topic again?
Regards,
Mary Young
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That is a very good question. I will be watching this thread. We have a
family friend that is very similar. I would like to include her in my
research.
Jane
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There is not, and many, including myself, would not
want it. An older program I used had it, and every few
months I had to go in and refix the sort, my way.
Once you have 'fixed' you DB, you may never need to
re-fix it. IMHO, a small price to pay. Mine is almost
24000 people. Many of them have no
Thank you, Cathy, this is exactly what I needed to know. It works
especially well for me since - at this time anyway - I either want the
transcriptions to show or not show. I don't even need to make the change on
a copy!
Richard replied as well, and mentioned that he also keeps all the
Stacey,
The big disadvantage to message boards is for people who are on dial-up
and/or have a limited amount of time they can spend on line. We would not
have been able to monitor LUG emails while we were on the Legacy cruise had
we been on a message board. Even at the lowest rate of 40 cents a
Thanks, Phil :)
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phil Warn
Sent: Tuesday, 9 October 2007 4:11 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com;
LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Child sorting
Fear all,
Surely the
Jess M wrote:
Recap: Is there a way that I am not finding, to
override the county verifier FOR THIS INSTANCE ONLY. I
do not wish to turn it off all together, it would
defeat the purpose of the tool.
Short answer, no. You can just ignore that message for that location whenever it pops up
I would make sure that you get the title pages and the first page of the
new and old testaments.
Allen
Jess M wrote:
I have this issue as well, and am glad it was brought
up.
I am divorced, and I just recently (as in two days ago
while back in hometown for family reunion) got my
ex-husband
Yes this works, and is what I've been doing. I was
just trying to see if there was another way to
ignore one particular instance, such as this, when
it is repeated multiple times. I still have about 20
individuals to enter from that time period and county,
state, and will get that message every
Brackets were the standard when there were limitations as to field size.
Most have stopped using and you now see something like probably and
possibly. Many of the old DOS days programs spawned multiple ways to
abbreviate words, etc. Ever wonder about the many ways to abbreviate Salt
Lake City in
Forgive my ignorance, but what purpose does the first
pages of the old and new testaments serve? Do they
hold some significance?
Title page I understand.
As this is one of those huge white family Bible
editions, it has several pages in the front for the
family information, and I know it is
Good message boards work fine on dialups because they have an option to
ONLY look at new messages since the last time you accessed the board. You
are given the list of updated topics and when they were last updated. You
can choose to only look at topics of interest and then read only the most
While a great option, the nearest copy store to my
hometown, and where the Bible in question and my
exhusband are located. is about 60+ miles away.
Taking my laptop and flatbed scanner seem to be what
works out there for those folks.
While I've gotten offtopic, I appreciate the feedback,
Sure, it's Beaufort county, North Carolina, circa
1690's to early 1700's.
An excerpt from her book: Beaufort Precinct of Bath
Co. became Beaufort Co. in 1705, but oftentimes
counties were formed years before they functioned as
new counties because of lack of men and facilities. So
it was with
Hi Jess,
Yes, there is a way to do it:
First, add him to your data-base as an unlinked person. Then link him to
the family by events he participated in.
When ever I find a person who may either become a relative or who had a
significant relationship they are recorded by adding them as an
Hi Richard,
Printing webpages with a PDF printer is a good idea. There are a lot
and some are free. I use Jaws PDF Creator which isn't but have used
PDF995. You can use that free if you don't mind the sponsor logo on
stuff. You install them and then they are listed with your other
Hi Jess,
Depending on the condition of the Bible and the binding, it may not
be possible to scan it. I'd make sure I had a digital camera and
check the photos are sharp before you leave. It does help to have a
tripod for this type of photography but I usually just check I've got
a sharp
And be sure to leaf through the bible to see if there are any
additions such as newspaper clippings, photos, etc.
Myrna
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Another approach to this is to use something like FlySpeed SQL Query
to query the tables. SQL is not that difficult to learn and FlySpeed
gives you a more graphic interface. Access SQL doesn't truly follow
the standard. And once you know SQL you can certainly develop your own
reports beyond what
It helps establish the time period of the bible and the printing method
(helping establish provenance) on old bibles those are usually the most
adorned and well printed pages in the bible.
Just helps you to authenticate it later and know that it is a bible from
that time frame.
Allen
Jess
Richard,
The tools Legacy uses to create a PDF file are not available for other
purposes.
PDF995 is the easiest option for most people, although there are probably
other programs in the shareware/nagware arena (PDF995 is nagware until you
register it; registration adds some tools along with
I have an unrelated family such as yours. It is a pair of twins who never
married but were close family friends for generations (since the 20s.) We
called them our adopted Grandmothers. When the last one died, with no
living family members, my mother and I inherited all their stuff including
Mary,
history, is necessary in doing genealogy for various reasons ...
even if the words Mormon Church are mentioned ... (not it's beliefs)
Some of the info mentioned explained some brick walls to me,
and gave me insight for searching for some of my missing data.
I found the topic interesting ...
Cute PDF has no logos.
Cathy wrote:
Hi Richard,
Printing webpages with a PDF printer is a good idea. There are a lot
and some are free. I use Jaws PDF Creator which isn't but have used
PDF995. You can use that free if you don't mind the sponsor logo on
stuff. You install them and then they
I don't know about add-ons for Legacy, or any
shareware versions of PDF software to use for print to
options. (So if this is outside Legacy rules for the
LUG, my apologies; however it is a good workaround.)
However, I am a very active user of ScanSoft PDF
Professional 4, and have use Adobe
Do a google search for a program called CutePDF it's a WONDERFUL
program... I have used it for years. Just print to teh CutePDF printer
and give the file a name and you have a PDF archive of anything.
Allen
John Carter wrote:
Richard,
The tools Legacy uses to create a PDF file are not
My advice, pull out every bible your family got. Have a look for any thinkg
you didnt notice before. After 60 odd years of my father in laws bible
hiding in a drawer, his daughter showed it too us and we found his army
serial number in it. This alone has given us a huge history of his regiments
Thanks for explanation Tom!
Rob
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Montgomery
Sent: October 8, 2007 7:56 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] brackets
Brackets were the standard when there were
Thanks Kirsten! Now that you mention that, I recall that one of the birding
sites I belong to does the same thing to anything in brackets.
Rob
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Bowman
Sent: October 8, 2007 4:56 PM
To:
Jess M wrote:
Sure, it's Beaufort county, North Carolina, circa
1690's to early 1700's.
An excerpt from her book: Beaufort Precinct of Bath
Co. became Beaufort Co. in 1705, but oftentimes
counties were formed years before they functioned as
new counties because of lack of men and facilities. So
This is, actually, MOST helpful! I'm not good with
historical geography! It amazes me how the geography
itself effects one's family history!
I will most certainly use this info to get it all
correct!
Now I have to go find that link again!
Jess M
1705 - Bath Co. divided into Wickham,
I was just wondering about this place name change you guys been discussing.
I got similar problems. My ancestors came from Shropshire. But before it
changed in mid 1800's it was known as Salop. I was thinking (only beginner
user) if it would be possible to document that place name change on a
Cute PDF (www.cutepdf.com) is free and it doesn't put a logo on your stuff.
I've used at work and at home for several years.
___
Wayne Martell
Victoria, BC, Canada
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From: Cathy
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyfamilytree.com
Sent: Monday,
Brackets were the standard when there were limitations as to field size.
In some programs, blank dates and places were filled in by the computer at
the upload site - Ancestral File from the LDS church was one that did this.
It is nice to have some sort of date and place, but the computer could
The major difference is you must be online to open each individual
message you choose to read and when you have very slow dialup as I do,
that takes time. I can download a large number of email messages to my
computer in just a few minutes and then free up my telephone line (and
with the costs
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