- things to do while we wait on compilers :)
read the error messages
watch stack traces
go to the races
cheers
peter
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:44:24 +1200
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, First things first:-
How many people on the list would be seriously interested in this?
yes.
me too please.
this is a really neat idea.
i'm sure lots of us have been held back from trying gentoo because of
Peter Elliott wrote:
a query re maintainability - how often is it necessary to do updates of key parts of the system? or big beasts like kde co?
cheers
peter
It all depends what you what to keep with, security issues are generally
an issue in smaller packages i.e apache,squid,bind etc.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:27:12 +1200
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, the question is, what can be reasonably expected from a 8hr
session?
I'd expect that everybody could go home with a working system created from the
stage3.tar.bz2 archive file. They would then go home
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:28:11 +1200
Chris Bayley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter Elliott wrote:
a query re maintainability - how often is it necessary to do updates of key parts
of the system? or big beasts like kde co?
cheers
peter
It all depends what you what to keep with, security
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:23, Peter Elliott wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 10:44:24 +1200
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK, First things first:-
How many people on the list would be seriously interested in this?
yes.
me too please.
this is a really neat idea.
Thank you.
i'm
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 19:49, Peter Elliott wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:27:12 +1200
Christopher Sawtell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Those folk seriously interested should do just a tiny bit of the rtfm
act:-
http://www.gentoo.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml
and for x86
depends what he wants to run on it and whteher he has other machines
to distcc to.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 17:14:14+1200 Christopher Sawtell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:30, Dave Lilley wrote:
i'd be in on this.
got a 2gig hd (spare) and a p200 96meg ram (my pc).
I'm a
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Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:55:24PM +1200, Brad Beveridge wrote:
However I can't see how to get the website to display it's
unstable packages :)
It's not clear whether you were talking about Gentoo unstable
or Debian unstable
Subject:Re: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:30, Dave Lilley wrote:
i'd be in on this.
got a 2gig hd (spare) and a p200 96meg ram (my pc).
I'm a bit worried that you may find that updating and generally maintaining
a
Gentoo machine with that speed of processor
I've only got the one box linux is on a 15gig Hd but wanted to see if
gentoo was okay on the 2gig (push goes to shove i'll use the 15 gig
drive).
uses...
normal pc stuff word processing, Programming (eg kylix).
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 20:28, Nick Rout wrote:
depends what he wants to run on it
caching behaviour is fairly antiquated
nowadays, but this will improve once Chuck Cranor's NetBSD UVM code is
merged into the tree.
Yeah, that's what prompted me to try FreeBSD out a couple of years ago.
But I got disk corruption under FreeBSD for some reason. And then I
decided to do an OpenBSD
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 06:04:31PM +1200, Matthew Gregan wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:39:20PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote:
Well, you have to update for security issues. And often there are
dependicies that decide they want to be updated too. I much prefer
just having upgrades every
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 06:03:35PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 05:23:59PM +1200, Matthew Gregan wrote:
Yeah, that's what prompted me to try FreeBSD out a couple of years
ago. But I got disk corruption under FreeBSD for some reason. And
then I decided to do an OpenBSD
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 06:07:56PM +1200, Ben Aitchison wrote:
Yeah, but won't security updates also need core system components to
be updated? That's what I seem to remember.
Generally, no.
I used to use Debian unstable once a time. But that's back when I had
too much spare time. I
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 11:02:07PM +1200, Dale Anderson wrote:
I still havent seen fun stuff like E17 in debians list either as yet
...maybe im not looking hard enough ...
E17 is still under heavy development and considered fairly unstable. If
you're willing to risk it, or planning to work
:Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00:48PM +1200, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
I suggest going to
http://gazza.citylink.co.nz/gentoo/releases/1.4_rc4/x86/x86/livecd/
and get gentoo-3stages-x86-1.4_rc4.iso
And there is another great thing about Gentoo
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 11:16:26PM +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:22, you wrote: ported to the the Darwin Kernel
on PPC. You can now have all your X11 based toys _and_ Photoshop etc
on the same machine without rebooting!
You can anyway. Apple have released a
Any furthur word on the X86 release of Darwin that Apple were playing with a
while back
Cheers
Dale.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:07, you wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 11:16:26PM +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:22, you wrote: ported to the the Darwin Kernel
on
This reminds me, Gentoo ebuilds are flexible enough to build directly from CVS without
changing the user commands (I expect this is how E17 is packaged).
In my one brief look at Debian I got the impression that .deb files are scattered to
the four corners of the net, and just finding where they
do you mean opendarwin
www.opendarwin.org
have downloaded the x86 version, but not had a chance to do anything
with it yet.
John
Dale Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/11/03 08:48 AM
Any furthur word on the X86 release of Darwin that Apple were playing
with a
while back
Cheers
Dale.
On
Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:22, you wrote:
Gentoo is looking more feasible by the minute...I am running out of
excuses not to at least try it. =)
Does all theis interest in Gentoo mean that we are going to
have to organise a
Gentoo Installfest?
Not as silly
= Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
This reminds me, Gentoo ebuilds are flexible enough to build directly from
CVS without changing the user commands (I expect this is how E17 is packaged).
In my one brief look at Debian I got the impression that .deb files are
scattered to the
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Subject: Re: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:22, you wrote:
Gentoo is looking more feasible by the minute...I am running out of
excuses not to at least try it. =)
Does all theis interest in Gentoo mean that we are going to
have to organise a
Gentoo
Kind of , they had an ISO released a while back linked to the apple dev
download homepage (http://developer.apple.com/darwin/) ,it was a bootable iso
image , however it was VERY component specific and I was wondering wether
there had been a furthur released ...I havent managed to track even the
Even better - if the installfest is held at uni - get Knoppix with distcc and
take over some of the lab pcs :). 20 odd pc's running distcc should make
things very fast ;)
Of course we'd need permission to do that :)
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:41, Dale Anderson wrote:
An idea would be to setup
yep that sounds like open darwin
I had a quick attempt at booting on a test machine, but it didn't get
very far...
the download from opendarwin is a bootable iso, and is the one that
apple refer to - apple license etc.
John Blance
Technical Architect
Canterbury District Health Board
Direct
Now THAT is a stellar idea. It's holidays soon isn't it?
-Original Message-
From: Simon Hansman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 9:50 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
Even better - if the installfest is held
Count me in as a helper (with another box)
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Brad Beveridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 9:26 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
I think this is a good idea
Hey,
Does all this interest in Gentoo mean that we are going to
have to organise a Gentoo Installfest?
I'm keen. We could do it at the OSTC if you want. There are already 7 PC's
that you can use. Depending on how many others are interested, we might
need another ethernet switch.
I started
: OpenBSD)
Count me in as a helper (with another box)
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Brad Beveridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 9:26 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
I think this is a good
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 9:42 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
An idea would be to setup distcc on the boxes that are built
...that way ones
with slower machines wouldnt be sitting there for 2 days
waiting for stuff
: Re: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 09:52, Brad Beveridge wrote:
Yep, we would also probably want to setup our own gentoo (partial)
mirror rather than nfs sharing the portage tree. I think I
remember
somebody on this list doing that? Christopher - since
...OK, First things first:-
How many people on the list would be seriously interested in this?
The number interested will define the location of the venue.
Note that you _must_ have a linux compatible network card installed in
your
machine for this idea to even totter into the realm of
]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 9:42 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
An idea would be to setup distcc on the boxes that are built
...that way ones
with slower machines wouldnt be sitting there for 2 days
waiting for stuff to
compile
So, the question is, what can be reasonably expected from a
8hr session?
Getting installed to stage3 getting files from the portage tree.
If we have a serious compile farm with distcc then maybe get X running as well.
Maybe this should be run over 2 successive weekends, first weekend
as appropriate.
Brad
-Original Message-
From: Dale Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 9:42 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
An idea would be to setup distcc on the boxes that are built
It is still there at rsync://linux.citylink.co.nz/gentoo-x86-portage
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Dale Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 11:02 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
http
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:00, you wrote:
...OK, First things first:-
How many people on the list would be seriously interested in this?
The number interested will define the location of the venue.
Note that you _must_ have a linux compatible network card installed in
your
machine for
m so it is ...
Dale.
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:14, you wrote:
rsync://linux.citylink.co.nz/gentoo-x86-portage
I am interested but have downloaded the rc4 iso and will likely give
that a try soon...as I'll likely fail (I know, be optimitstic right),
I'd likely need a hand with the niggly bits.
Cheers
Jason
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:00, you wrote:
...OK, First things first:-
12:09 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
I am interested but have downloaded the rc4 iso and will likely give
that a try soon...as I'll likely fail (I know, be optimitstic right),
I'd likely need a hand with the niggly bits.
Cheers
Jason
Thanks Robert, it is the encoragement from people like you on this list
that make it what it is...
PS, the box I would be installing on would be my ONLY box =(
Bugga...LOL
Cheers
Jason
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
Do not worry Jason, there are so many willing helpers on this list that
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Subject:Re: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
Thanks Robert, it is the encoragement from people like you on this list
that make it what it is...
PS, the box I would be installing on would be my ONLY box =(
Bugga...LOL
Cheers
Jason
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
Do
work.
Generally you have localhost first, and then machines in their speed rank order.
Brad
-Original Message-
From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2003 11:17 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
I think
:RE: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
Yep - that will emerge the distcc client daemon, there is a startup script
in /etc/init.d/distcc.
Configuring the end that is serving the compile units (ie the machine that
is doing the compiling) is a matter of creating a list of ip/hostnames of
distcc
The other thing is that once you have compiled , say X and KDE on one
machine, you can transfer it to a similar architecture machine.
ie if you ebuild X KDE for pentium4 you can transfer to another p4
machine, but not an athlon t-bird.
so efficiencies will depend on the mix of machines we get.
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
OK, First things first:-
How many people on the list would be seriously interested in this?
Count me in as particpant / helper - I can bring a couple of gentoo
boxes for horsepower...
and there are some finishing touches that could be applied to same -
video
compile effort.
Brad
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:16 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 11:22, you wrote:
Gentoo is looking more
Similar for me - bigger HD though. Yes I am interested, depends when basically, as
also pretty busy schedule.
Lance B
- Original Message -
From: Dave Lilley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:30:02 +1200
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Gentoo Installfest (was Re: OpenBSD
On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 16:30, Dave Lilley wrote:
i'd be in on this.
got a 2gig hd (spare) and a p200 96meg ram (my pc).
I'm a bit worried that you may find that updating and generally maintaining a
Gentoo machine with that speed of processor would be somewhat, shall we say,
tiresome. To
Brad Beveridge wrote:
I'm keen to help out. I've run Gentoo for over a year now so should know my way
around it enough to help people out. I can also donate an Athlon 800Mhz box for
distccing for the day.
I would recommend that people installing already have either a working distro
Ya well from some of the messages i too think that but maintainability
is a concern (want to be able to update OS packages without too much
hassle - missing support files etc as i'e found with m'drake 8.2).
dave.
ps have a bigger drive too (15gig).
On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 17:14, Christopher
Message-
From: Matthew Gregan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 4:39 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:55:24PM +1200, Brad Beveridge wrote:
However I can't see how to get the website to display it's
Agreed, says Jason running a PII 300MHz with 512MB RAM.
=)
Chad wrote:
On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 01:19, Jason wrote:
Couldn't pass up on this ;)...Sure Gentoo takes a bit of time and effort to
install but it's worth it. You get a stable system without the bloat.
Optimizing package is easy, you simply
If you dont want bloat then the flamesuitdistro to use s
LFS :) /flamesuit
-Paul
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 07:25:11AM +1200, Simon Hansman wrote:
And optimization does work. I've got an Athlon XP 1600+ and Gentoo
starts KDE in at least 2/3s the time of Mandrake.
It may start faster, but this very little to do with compiler
optimizations. What else is different on the
I must be an odd one then ...I have built it numerous times on anything from a
p120 to my desktop (only a p3 733 sdram baby)(and the first few times were
over dialup lol) , I REALLY like the package management though ;-) and like
the ability to build an os how I want it .
Cheers
Dale.
On
Well, if it's not compile optimizations then I don't know what it is. In both
Mandrake and Gentoo I've got dma enabled on my harddrives, the same number of
services are running, fam's enabled...Both I login using kdm - and I know
Mandrake starts the X server early and starts other services in
On Mon, 09 Jun 2003 17:31, Chad wrote:
This is rather relative, your still dealing with a fairly decent Machine
there. An athlonXP is alot faster than my k6-2 450Mhz it took me 8 hours to
compile Gnome 2 when it came out with out any fancy flags. And the Kernel
it self takes 40mins even when
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:39:41 +1200
Simon Hansman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, yeah far enough. On a slower computer Gentoo's probably not the best
option (likewise Gentoo may not be the best option on a dialup
connection)...But when you upgrade or buy a new one, you'll be able to run
Yeah, I've helped a couple of dialup users using the same method...the problem
is updating but as you say it'd be the same for any distro. So there you go,
as Nick has made clear, dialup shouldn't stop you from using Gentoo :)
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:23, Nick Rout wrote:
Re dialup, neither is
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:35:29 +1200
Simon Hansman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, I've helped a couple of dialup users using the same method...the problem
is updating but as you say it'd be the same for any distro. So there you go,
as Nick has made clear, dialup shouldn't stop you from using
Yes but you are forgetting the compile time With Mandrake, once I
download, I install, with Gentoo, once I download, I compile, THEN
install, big difference ona slow box!!!
Cheers
Jason
Simon Hansman wrote:
Yeah, I've helped a couple of dialup users using the same method...the problem
Agree'd, now that I've had broadband for about 4 days now, dunno how I
lived without it. 128K through Iconz for $22.50/Mo, plus telecom line
fee $30 and woohoo, she's smokin compared to dialup.
Cheers
Jason
Nick Rout wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:35:29 +1200
Simon Hansman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jason wrote:
Yes but you are forgetting the compile time
That's the point. After you've done it once, you *can*
forget about the compile time. But the performance
benefits continue every time you use the program.
Cheers,
Carl.
Well I will chime in with my experiences.
I am command-line averse and compared to many on this list still a newbie. I
Started with RedHat 7.2 and upgraded each time a more recent RH distro was
available.
After Nick Rout's Gentoo presentation at a CLUG meeting I thought it was
worth trying so,
I'm was using Gentoo 1.2, then I went to Mandrake 9.0 then back to Gentoo 1.4.
1.2 and 1.4 both *felt* a lot faster than Mandrake. Everyone else I've talked
to who has installed Gentoo has found it faster than Mandrake..maybe it's
subjective, but at the end of the day if you feel it's faster,
Yes but to stay bleeding edge don't you have to compile each time you
download a new package?? I install the latest version of cooker each
day. With Gentoo, doesn't that mean I'd have to comipile a lot of
packages each day?? Mandrake does the compiling for me with Cooker yes??
Cheers
Jason
Ok, this is how I see it. With my current knowlege, Gentoo would make me
feel dumb, whereas Mandrake makes me feel somewhat competent in Linux.
Perhaps I am just resisting the elucidation of my lack of knowlege.
Cheers
Jason
Nick Rout wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:35:29 +1200
Simon Hansman
the discussion at this point was related to net access speed, but
machine speed is another pont to take into account.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:42:12 +1200
Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes but you are forgetting the compile time With Mandrake, once I
download, I install, with Gentoo, once
I do this every couple of days with Gentoo and I just leave the compilation
going in a konsole in the backgroundit's not a big deal really. For big
compiles like a new KDE, I just leave my pc on overnight, again it doesn't
inconvience at all.
anyway, each to their own,
Simon
On Tue, 10
Yeah but I'd actually like to USE my machine while it was compiling. =) LOL
Simon Hansman wrote:
I do this every couple of days with Gentoo and I just leave the compilation
going in a konsole in the backgroundit's not a big deal really. For big
compiles like a new KDE, I just leave my pc
:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 10:33 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
Yes but to stay bleeding edge don't you have to compile each time you
download a new package?? I install the latest version of cooker each
day. With Gentoo, doesn't
nice -n 10 emerge -u world does it with lower priority, and doesn't seem
to affect other work too much.
nice is ..errr. a nice feature
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:51:33 +1200
Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah but I'd actually like to USE my machine while it was compiling. =) LOL
Simon
will complete
everything within half an hour.
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 10:33 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
Yes but to stay bleeding edge don't you have to compile each time you
download
Gentoo is looking more feasible by the minute...I am running out of
excuses not to at least try it. =)
Nick Rout wrote:
nice -n 10 emerge -u world does it with lower priority, and doesn't seem
to affect other work too much.
nice is ..errr. a nice feature
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10:51:33
: OpenBSD)
Gentoo is looking more feasible by the minute...I am running out of
excuses not to at least try it. =)
Nick Rout wrote:
nice -n 10 emerge -u world does it with lower priority, and doesn't seem
to affect other work too much.
nice is ..errr. a nice feature
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 10
think then you may be convinced.
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:23 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
Gentoo is looking more feasible by the minute...I am running
there are many Gentoo users happy to show off).
I think then you may be convinced.
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:23 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
Gentoo is looking more feasible
-Original Message-
From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:52 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
Ok, which one do I start with??
http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=45
I have a pentiumII 300 so I'd assume the full
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Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:52 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
Ok, which one do I start with??
http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=45
I have a pentiumII 300 so I'd assume the full 135MB Image??
Cheers
Jason
PS
- there is a New Zealand
mirror.
PS - I will stand corrected if others have better suggestions.
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:52 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
Ok, which one do I start
/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Jason [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 11:52 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
Ok, which one do I start with??
http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=45
I have
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00:48PM +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
and get gentoo-3stages-x86-1.4_rc4.iso
Is this why you claim the packages are so up-to-date--because you're
running a release candidate, i.e. not a stable release?
If this is the case, it's not a lot different to running
In its defense, I'd wager (and I don't use the thing) that Gentoos RC's
are more stable than a Mandrake Release!! Not that I have many problems
but the Mandrake releases need about 3 weeks more polish before release
almost EVERY time, and they never seem to get it. A pity really. If
they did
Gentoo RC's are tied more to the installer (and possibly gcc) than a actual
list of packages, so once you've got it installed all you are running is
Gentoo. You can choose which versions of programs to use, or just use the
current stable ones. So only real difference you'll notice in the RCs is
are more up to date than those of other distros
IMNSH.
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Gregan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 12:19 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00:48PM
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:51:19PM +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Read my lips. Take up the challenge.
Firstly, I never said you were wrong, I said your comparison is not
apples-to-apples.
Check package versions which you currently use against those available from
media-gfx/gimp-1.3.13
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Gregan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 1:10 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:51:19PM +1200
no they are the stable packages, and you can also run unstable.
rc is a release candidate for the distro version 1.4 as a whole, but the
packages in portage are stable.
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:19:10 +1200
Matthew Gregan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00:48PM +1200, [EMAIL
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:51:19PM +1200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Read my lips. Take up the challenge.
Right. I've taken a list of packages from [1], and compared that to the
list of packages in Debian testing[2]. Note that there is a good chance
that the Debian testing list is a little out
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Gregan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 1:41 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD)
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:51:19PM +1200,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Read my lips. Take up the challenge.
Right. I've
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 12:11:19AM +0100, Jim Cheetham wrote:
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 10:46:40AM +1200, Dave Lilley wrote:
Hi there folks,
Anyone played or using OpenBSD ??
What's your opinion of it ???
I have an OpenBSD 3.3 boot cd (and floppy) if you wanted to borrow it.
IMHO
Try http://gentoo-stable.iq-computing.de/
For all available Gentoo versions of packages
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Brad Beveridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 1:55 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD
, 0.9.0_rc5, NA
Kmplayer, 0.7.4a, NA
Perhaps not very scientific but it has me satisfied.
Regards, Robert
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Gregan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2003 1:41 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: Gentoo (was Re: OpenBSD
On Sat, Jun 07, 2003 at 10:46:40AM +1200, Dave Lilley wrote:
Hi there folks,
Anyone played or using OpenBSD ??
What's your opinion of it ???
interested in it.
I've tried a lot of different OS's, and different Linux distributions, and
I've found that OpenBSD is the only one
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 09:23:16AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 08:39:41 +1200
Simon Hansman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi, yeah far enough. On a slower computer Gentoo's probably not the best
option (likewise Gentoo may not be the best option on a dialup
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 09:40:17AM +1200, Nick Rout wrote:
On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 09:35:29 +1200
Simon Hansman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah, I've helped a couple of dialup users using the same method...the problem
is updating but as you say it'd be the same for any distro. So there you
On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 12:00:48PM +1200, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
I suggest going to
http://gazza.citylink.co.nz/gentoo/releases/1.4_rc4/x86/x86/livecd/
and get gentoo-3stages-x86-1.4_rc4.iso
And there is another great thing about Gentoo - there is a New Zealand
mirror.
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