On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 11:19:18AM -0500, Jeremy Nelson wrote:
I wished that autocompletion to be context-dependant
(nickname, command, command arg, channel name) as in irssi
and worked in vim-style (sequensially substituting in editline,
instead of listing all choices)
Should it better
Hello.
I'm going to work on server groups and have some questions according to this.
In doc/segver_groups and in include/sgroup.h
[snip]
These documents are either incomplete or obsolete. Don't bother.
Jeremy
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RoboHak wrote:
The client, server, and IRC protocol all limit the characters that can be
used in a nickname. The client handles that in the check_nickname()
function in ircaux.c. According to the IRC protocol... cut off
qMax wrote:
I know IRC proto.
But some servers has many extentions.
And again...
Now about ON message hooks.
Some hooks, like alot of public_* hooks and channel_signoff
are filtered agains current channel and sender channels,
other hooks are common.
Shouldn't it be more clean:
either filtering are to be done by scripts or in ircclient core ?
In last case
And u still haven't said what u think should be added and what removed ?...
Or i miss some idea ? :)
I think no changes should be made.
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Would't it be fine to have hooks
- for all numerics replies (by their RPL_names)
or to group ERR_ replies into one hook ?
Who would be responsible for mapping numerics to RPL_names? What happens
when a server uses a custom RPL_name that epic doesn't know about? This
is not really feasable.
For those of you who visit us on #epic on EFNet (what, you don't hang out
on #epic on EFNet? Why not? That or irc.epicsol.org -- come visit us!)
know that EPIC development has resumed and we are working towards an
eventual release of epic4-1.1.1, which will be the first beta release which
will
21:12 Examples:
21:12$trunc(2 3.141592654) returns 3.14
21:12$trunc(5 3.54)returns 3.54000
Hmm, but $trunc(0 3.141592654) returns nothing. I have new_math on, but
doubt this has much to do with it. I would generally consider this to
be a bug in
I also have a log accumulator that also posts diffs. I think I posted it
to Jeremy, actually; did you not get it?
I do not remember getting it, no... Anybody who wants to provide me with
a pre-fab way to do anything like this I'm agreeable to doing.
Jeremy
On Tue, Oct 09, 2001 at 02:52:26PM -0500, Jeremy Nelson wrote:
This bug was fixed yesterday. No cause for alarm. Just cvs update.
Hey Jeremy, do you have a list for CVS commit mails? They're generally
very helpful to those of us who don't follow CVS as closely as we should
(and also
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Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 22:44:48 -0700 (MST)
From: Johnny Economou [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: The IRCII-EPIC List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Ircii-epic: greeting goodbye.
Hello members of the IRCII-EPIC list,
Since I am moving to Greece I'll have to minimise
or even
Because several lice users have spoken up about epic4-1.1.7 breaking
lice, and because I know that srfrog has more important things to do
right now, I have modified the lice.binds file that comes with lice
to be compatable with epic4-1.1.7.
http://www.epicsol.org/~jnelson/lice.binds
When attempting to install helpfiles (hey, I was curious at the changes
with bind(8) because of the keys.c big rewrite), helpfiles do not exist,
so line 185 of epic4-1.1.7/Makefile is excutied incorrectly, copying the
contents of epic4-1.1.7/ (including subdirectories) to
Hi. Charles Umpleby ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is having problems compiling
epic on redhat 8.0. Could someone help him out please? Thanks.
I have determined that the problem is NOT that he does not have the
linux kernel sources installed -- so it must be another problem.
Thanks
Jeremy
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Normally I would not follow up to a request for discussion, but nsx asked
me to share why I believe in the status quo. The entirity of this message
is not a statement of policy or rules or anything of the sort with regard
to epic. It simply states my personal opinions as an epic user, and the
nsx said:
Yes, I am campaigning for both better precision, and a change of the lower
notify interval limit. I suppose they sort of go hand in hand, since to
either abolish or lower the lower limit, you'd probably need to provide
better precision anyway.
Kev said:
Personally, I don't see the
This bug has now been fixed and commited to cvs.
Thanks for the bug report.
Jeremy
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For the purposes of testing, my .ircrc was:
assign re $regcomp(test)
eval echo $regexec(re test)
Crashing here is actually the defined (but apparantly undocumented) behavior:
because the string 're' is not a value previously returned by $regcomp,
passing it to $regexec() results in undefined
EPIC4-1.1.12, the latest alpha release of epic4-1.1.*, the development branch
of epic, is now available. This release comprises months of work and a lot
of new stuff:
* $serverwin([server refnum])
* Major project to replace bad quality C code with high quality C code
* ./configure --with-warns
The problem happens when I try to change a channel's window number
(/window number XX). I first thought it could be due to binding a
channel to a window, but tests showed that's not the case; even if I
don't use /window bind or /window channel, but am on a channel, trying
to change that window's
assign re $regcomp(test)
eval echo $regexec(re test)
If you know how to use a debugger, it would be helpful if you
can get a stack trace, and cut and paste it here.
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x420bcf9c in re_search_internal () from /lib/tls/libc.so.6
(gdb) bt
#0
Hello,
if the MAIL variable is not configured or no mail file for the user
exists, then the file 'unknown' is polled.
This causes unneccessary traffic if the home is nfs mounted.
In this case, just leave *mail_path empty and return.
I ended up rewriting the entire mail checker because of this.
Is there anyone out there who sets /window lastlog_level to anything other
than ALL? I'm not talking about /window level, but /window lastlog_level.
I'm trying to find someone who uses that feature so I can talk to them
about it. I'm thinking about the future of this feature, and if nobody
We have been going through a recent project to identify and address any
issues left in epic4-1.1.*, with a mind towards a feature freeze and
then a stabilization and then a certification and production release.
ftp://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC4-ALPHA/epic4-1.1.15.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC4-BETA/epic4-1.2.3.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC4-BETA/epic4-1.2.3.tar.bz2
In accordance with my stated intent to frequently release beta snapshots
to give everyone the chance to stay current with changes in the release
candidates,
hour waiting period for people to get one last chance to test stuff.
After that, epic4-2.0 will be released.
If you have any questions, come drop by #epic on efnet or irc.acronet.net,
or send me an email.
Thanks.
Jeremy Nelson
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* The candidate release was made available on January 19, 2004
* A request for a vote of confidence was made by archon on January 22, 2004
* The election will continue until completed, but in no case will it end
before January 25, 2004.
* The release will occur 2 days after the election ends,
|Rain| filed an objection to RC1 and his objection was upheld and his
proposed changes were applied as amendments to RC1. I fixed a couple
of other benign compiler warnings (ie, no program changes) since we
made other changes. The whole thing is now available:
The (hopefully) final beta release is now available. This release
fixes all of the objections lodged against prior beta releases.
The vote is currently 10-0 with three holds (holds are agreements I have
reached with certain people not to release until they vote).
Please test, and if you haven't
Is there anyone in the chicagoland area thursday or friday night (2/19,2/20)
would would be interested in gathering to celebrate the release of epic4-2.0?
Depending on if anyone even /wants/ to do this, we'll try to figure out a
time and a place.
Jeremy
Greetings to the epic community.
I am pleased to announce the immediately availability of EPIC4-2.0.
It is currently available at the following locations:
ftp://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC4-PRODUCTION/epic4-2.0.tar.gz
Sorry about the repost, I forgot to put on the subject line in the previous
email and that was kind of an important detail.
Greetings to the epic community.
I am pleased to announce the immediately availability of EPIC4-2.0.
It is currently available at the following locations:
People have suggested that it would be helpful to allow people to write
content for the epicsol.org website, but that there is no obviously way
to submit the content so it can show up on the home page. So Keerf
has graciously created a submit news url where you can submit a news
blurb, or a
Since epic4-2.0 seems to be a real winner, I have moved all of the old
epic4 alpha and beta releases to the epic archive, and have symlinked
EPIC4-BETA and EPIC4-ALPHA to the archive so things like the freebsd port
will still continue to work.
Those who are mirroring /pub/epic will notice a
So my proposal is when you do things like /window level you'll get
*** Window level is OTHER PUBLIC MSGS NOTICES WALLS WALLOPS NOTES OPNOTES
+SNOTES ACTIONS CTCP USERLOG1 USERLOG2 USERLOG3 USERLOG4
instead of
*** Window level is CRAP PUBLIC MSGS NOTICES WALLS WALLOPS NOTES OPNOTES
+SNOTES
This is just a test. I have upgraded mailman on epicsol. If you recieve
this email, then everything is going well. If you try to send an email
to the list in the future and it bounces or otherwise fails, then please
let me know right away. Mailman is not my favorite piece of software...
EPIC5-0.0.2 is now available at:
ftp://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC5-ALPHA/epic5-0.0.3.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC5-ALPHA/epic5-0.0.3.tar.bz2
This release contains the following *significant* changes:
* ALL CONNECT()S ARE NONBLOCKING. EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.
Because I am always rather vague and evasive when it comes down to people
pressing me for particular details about new releases, (I don't like to
commit to dates and features because people have a nasty habit of holding
you to your promises... ;-) there has been some confusion about just when
and
There will be an EPIC 10th anniversary celebration in September in Boston.
Tentatively for now, the date is penciled in as Saturday September 18th.
If you are interested in being included in the planning of this event
throughout the summer, let me know one of these weeks and everyone who
wants
The exactly founding date of the EPIC Project is uncertain, for various
reasons. However, I do recall quite clearly that it was founded near the
beginning of the 1994-1995 school year. So for all intents and purposes,
it's good enough to say September 1994. We approach the 10th anniversary.
Sorry -- email to me should go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I realized that my email address was [EMAIL PROTECTED]
which can't accept email directly. I apologize for this. I'll look
into fixing this going forward.
Jeremy
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Apparantly my latest upgrade of mailman broke things (again)
Anyone know of a decent mailing list software that doesn't break each
time you upgrade?
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According to the schedule which we have been following, a new EPIC4
production release is scheduled to be released after 6 months to fix
any minor problems in epic4-2.0; or whenever a critical show-stopper
bug is found; whichever comes first.
The latter has not yet happened, but there have been
THIS is your last opportunity to report bugs in epic4 and have them fixed
before the release candidate. If you reported the bug to me on irc, that
is not good enough -- i do not remember that. Please email me, and make
sure you get an acknowledgement of your bug!
If you test the release
(Anyone who knows sendmail want to tell me how to make this machine
send my email as [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]?)
Send bug reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED] since sending email to
zeus.acronet.net will be dropped by the firewall. doh!
Jeremy
There has been discussions going on about what things should be loaded
by epic at startup.
Traditionally, ircII has loaded
2.8script
sets up a bunch of /ons for /trace, /links, and /stats,
as well as a /topic and /invite alias.
extensions
There have been about 10 or 15 people who have expressed an interest in
meeting together in the afternoon or evening of September 18th in Boston
for a celebration of 10 years of epic. Now all we need is to pick a place
and start making plans to be there.
I need someone who is familiar with the
This is a change that is proposed for epic5. Nothing will change for
epic4 based on this discussion.
Historically, if you have an alias with the same name as a builtin
command, then:
/fooruns your alias
//foo runs the built in command
If you have an alias
Then we shall create MORE noise :) .. either way I havent been to kendal
in ages.
From the looks of the final confirmations, it looks like the party might
be quite on the small side. So perhaps this Redbones place is fine.
THIS IS THE TIME TO TELL ME IF YOU'RE GOING TO COME OR NOT. I need
I have prepared an epic4 production release candidate. It is available at:
ftp://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC4-BETA/epic4-2.1.1.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC4-BETA/epic4-2.1.1.tar.bz2
Soon there will be a call for votes of confidence, and a formal vote will
occur
This is a periodic update on the status of the ongoing
election as to whether epic4-2.1.1 should be accepted as
a production release epic4-2.2. The current status is
3 votes in favor and 0 votes against. The election shall
be open until it reaches 15-0, however long that takes.
Jeremy
So one of the things that has come up during the epic4 vote is how
spaces are handled inconsistently throughout epic. I had originally
intended to address this in epic5, but it looks like this is a real
problem for /xdebug extractw users.
In the C locale, characters 9 (^I), 10 (^J), 11 (^K), 12
I have had a request for 5 material changes for epic4-2.1.3
ftp://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC4-BETA/epic4-2.1.3.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC4-BETA/epic4-2.1.3.tar.bz2
http://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC4-BETA/epic4-2.1.3.tar.gz
EPIC4-2.1.1 (as amended, nee epic4-2.1.3) has been accepted as a production
release of epic4, to be released as epic4-2.2!
There is a final 72 hour final countdown period during which you may try
the very last cvs commit, and file any last minute objections.
THIS IS YOUR ABSOLUTELY VERY LAST
of interest to scripters, and are explained
in the UPDATES and KNOWNBUGS file.
This is (hopefully) the end of the line for epic4.
Jeremy Nelson
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Because our previous freebsd epic4 maintainer [EMAIL PROTECTED] was
cleared because the email address bounces, we don't have a maintainer,
and Jeremy Chadwick has updated the port with ports/75707.
If you are on this list and are a freebsd ports commiter, would you be
willing to facilitate
EPIC5 is getting rather stable, and EPIC5-0.0.3 is almost ready for release,
so I could use a few hard core people who are interested in testing this
before it goes out. I just added a $symbolctl(), so it would be useful if
any scripters who wanted to play around with it would give me practical
The default scripts that are loaded when you start up epic are specifically
global, and your ~/.epicrc. You can do
/WHICH filename
to see where these files are if you don't know. Now global loads
2.8script
basical
builtins
EPIC5-0.0.4 is now available. This is the fourth alpha release of EPIC5,
the day after it's 15th month birthday.
ftp://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC5-ALPHA/epic4-0.0.4.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC5-ALPHA/epic4-0.0.4.tar.bz2
Historically, ircII clients have loaded your startup script (~/.ircrc)
after you make your first connection to the server. This has been to
permit you to change usermode, join channels, create windows, etc, in
your startup script, all of which you can't really do before you connect.
EPIC has
Well, I was going to have to bring this issue up at some point, and so it
might as well be now.
Up throughout its lifetime, epic has never had any mandatory dependancies,
which just means another piece of software that absolutely must be installed
before epic will build. EPIC has many optional
Are you going to continue support for EPIC4 for those that don't want
and/or need a curses interface?
EPIC4 is a finished project and only severe bug fixes will ever be made
to it from this time forward. It will not be ported to curses.
What sort of upgrade path would users have from EPIC5 -
Historically ircII has always had two different contexts in which strings
were compared in a case insensitive way: Expressions, and wildcard patterns.
* In ircII expressions, strings are equal only if they are exactly identical,
except that case differences are forgiven:
[abc] == [ABC]
So many of you know this, so bear with me:
/SEND sends a message to the window's current target
/SAYsends a message to the window's current channel.
If you have a /query going in a window with a channel, the /query overrides
the channel as the current target. This is the
Preface:
Jm has wanted this change for a while, but has resisted my suggestions he
should appeal this issue to the list (all of you). Since I do not support
the request to change this, I must apologize in advance for any lack of
impartiality I may have regarding this discussion. Anyone
After doing some research, I have discovered (I think) the reason EPIC always
crashes at random if you compile it with gcc -O2. It has to do not with
bugs in epic, or bugs in gcc, but in assumptions gcc mades at -O2.
The gcc -O2 optimization level turns on strict alias optimizations. Alias
It has been 6 months since the last announced release, epic5-0.0.5.
This release is available at
ftp://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC5-ALPHA/epic5-0.0.7.tar.gz
ftp://ftp.epicsol.org/pub/epic/EPIC5-ALPHA/epic5-0.0.7.tar.bz2
I'm going to update the version of Epic5 in the FreeBSD ports tree to
0.2.0. I noticed that there doesn't seem to be help files available
for 5. Should I include the 4.x help files or just not install
anything at all?
Yes. Use the epic4 help files. They are all we have for now.
btw 4.2.4
Since the release of epic4-2.4, only minor changes have occured:
*) Fix crash when you do /nick unique-id on ircnet
*) Compile time support for maildir instead of mbox
*) Fix for broken file size in dcc handshakes on 64-bit sparc
*) Fix build for hpux by supporting isfinite(3) alongside finite(3)
Many of you know about the new beta help file wiki nullie and I are
setting up. He has been doing most of the editing, for which I am
immensely thankful! This could not have been possible without his
tireless efforts.
http://epicsol.org/~help
At some point the help files will be in
MAILING LIST BROKENNESS
BTW, the mailing list seems to be broken since I upgraded mailman
this morning, and you're receiving multiples. I apologize for this,
and I'm trying to figure out what went wrong.
MAILING LIST BROKENNESS
Nullie write:
[A
In EPIC4, we have /set reverse_status_line, which if ON prepends a ^V
to your status format and if OFF does not.
In EPIC5, we do not have /set reverse_status_line built in, and a ^V is
unconditionally prepended to your status format. If you want a non-reverse
status line, you need to start your
Why is it every time I upgrade mailman it breaks? Why must it be so painful?
Why must it have so many security problems and need updating so frequently?
--J
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I will be around NC the week of Labor Day, and am looking for anyone who
lives around that area of the country who wants to talk about a gathering
of some of us. There are no particulars yet, I'm still trying to figure
out who might be interested. This is the 15th anniversary of EPIC so it
I've released epic5-0.9.0 which is a stable candidate beta release for maybe
what will become epic5-1.0. There has been a steady increase in people saying
that the only thing that stops them from using epic5 is that we won't call it
a production release, even though it always pretty much has
* Jeremy Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-12-01 17:30]:
I've released epic5-0.9.0 which is a stable candidate beta release for maybe
what will become epic5-1.0.
I searched the wiki, but couldn't find info about epic5 and UTF8.
Does/will epic5 support UTF(8)?
No -- EPIC5 does not support utf8
I promised not to break anything until epic5-1.0 was released. Well now
it's done, and it's time to make iconv() a mandatory dependancy. If you
build epic binaries from source, you *_MUST_* have iconv() installed and if
you are a package maintainer, epic *_MUST_* depend on iconv() support
being
greetings,
Im working to bundle epic 5 into an RPM for Fedora Linux, and ive run
across a few bugs.
SMP Make does not work in the latest epic5 tar.gz source. Can this be
corrected?
Can you offer any advice or guidance as to how it does not work? Logfiles
would be appreciated, make output,
In the past few years, the use of this list has dwindled off to a small
trickle, and I often don't want to disrupt the peaceful slumber of you all.
So many of the conversations happen on irc, but of course not everybody
is on irc at the same time so it's not optimal.
I think I'm going to start
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