RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-20 Thread Darren Neimke
] | Blog: http://neimke.spaces.live.com From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stovell Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 9:08 PM To: listserver@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? An area of the Silverlight ecosystem that I think

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2008-10-20 Thread Miguel Madero
to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Stovell Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 9:38 PM To: listserver@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? An area of the Silverlight

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2008-10-20 Thread Paul Stovell
] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stovell *Sent:* Monday, 20 October 2008 9:38 PM *To:* listserver@ozsilverlight.com *Subject:* Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? An area of the Silverlight ecosystem that I think will be interesting to see is the third-party offerings

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2008-10-19 Thread Barry Beattie
You want me to give you a run sheet of our entire game plan so you can run it off to your buddies at Adobe, think again bazza :) think again! :) Sorry, nice try but no cigar. no, Scott, it's not that. I actually don't cut much code anymore these days: analysis, design, recommendations, etc.

Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-19 Thread Jonas Follesø
Hi, First on the AJAX/JavaScript comment: I completely agree. This is something I mentioned in the Future of the web discussion panel at Tech Ed in Sydney. I think that in the end JavaScript might be a stronger competitor to Silverlight than Flash. JavaScript is getting significant faster in

RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-19 Thread Jordan Knight
: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? Hi, First on the AJAX/JavaScript comment: I completely agree. This is something I mentioned in the Future of the web discussion panel at Tech Ed in Sydney. I think that in the end JavaScript might be a stronger competitor to Silverlight than Flash

Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-19 Thread ross jempson
Current leaders: Troll / fisherman of the year : Muhammed Niaz Flamer / Flamee of the year : cough cough On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Jonas Follesø [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, First on the AJAX/JavaScript comment: I completely agree. This is something I mentioned in the Future of the

Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-19 Thread Jonas Follesø
and the environment is nicer all round. *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jonas Follesø *Sent:* Monday, 20 October 2008 9:27 AM *To:* listserver@ozsilverlight.com *Subject:* Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? Hi, First on the AJAX/JavaScript

RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-19 Thread Jordan Knight
. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonas Follesø [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 12:43 PM To: listserver@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? True, but there is heaps of web designers out there who knows CSS and HTML. So

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2008-10-19 Thread Muhammad Niaz
hI Jempson, What you mean.? Take care Niaz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ross jempson Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 6:39 AM To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL

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2008-10-17 Thread Barry Beattie
sorry you're being argumentative bazza :) Scott, you think everyone is argumentitive if they don't blindly swallow your used-car-salesman speil and choosing to look at the fine print. Meh. but Scott, while I have your attention, what's the behind the scenes story with this?

RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-17 Thread Miguel Madero
:09 AM To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com Subject: RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? - numbers of developers (no point coming up with cool tools/technology if no one uses it) - resources to help those developers (getting started / moving forward) As I said before, iI think c

RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-17 Thread Scott Barnes
] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 1:22 AM To: listserver@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? sorry you're being argumentative bazza :) Scott, you think everyone is argumentitive if they don't blindly swallow your used-car-salesman speil

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2008-10-17 Thread .net noobie
, think again bazza :) think again! :) Sorry, nice try but no cigar. Scott. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 1:22 AM To: listserver@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success

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2008-10-16 Thread Ola Karlsson
: Thursday, 16 October 2008 1:01 PM To: listserver@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? Hi Muhammad, I can't really comment on Flex but the little I've seen showed me that both technologies were/are moving in similar directions, which you'd expect as they have

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2008-10-16 Thread Muhammad Niaz
Regards, Muhammad Niaz Software Engineer Intagleo Systems Pvt Ltd. +92 321 569 4195 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:01 AM To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? Hi

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2008-10-16 Thread Jordan Knight
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Muhammad Niaz Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 12:13 AM To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com Subject: RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? Hi Stephen, I agree with your comments related to .NET expertise. But even though I do't know about Flex

RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-16 Thread Damian Edwards
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | W: www.readify.nethttp://www.readify.net/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 09:53 To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com Subject: RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? Lucky Silverlight has so many great

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2008-10-16 Thread Jordan Knight
announcement very soon so stay posted. Jordan. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 9:53 AM To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com Subject: RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? Lucky Silverlight has so many great tools to crank out

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2008-10-16 Thread Barry Beattie
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Damian Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually there's probably less work because XAML is a controlled and strict environment the tooling is much better and can be trusted more. Using the designer and palettes in Expression Web or VS2008 to build your CSS

RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-16 Thread Jordan Knight
, 17 October 2008 11:00 AM To: listserver@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Damian Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually there's probably less work because XAML is a controlled and strict environment the tooling is much

RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-16 Thread Jordan Knight
] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 11:00 AM To: listserver@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 9:12 AM, Damian Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually there's probably less work

Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-16 Thread Barry Beattie
showing them how easy it is to go from PS / IL to Expression Design/Blend is the goal. how? I'd put money on there being more C# developers out there than Action Script developers ahhh... but that's the mistake. You're saying developers can't transfer their skills from one language to

RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-16 Thread Jordan Knight
70million for C#. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie Sent: Friday, 17 October 2008 2:46 PM To: listserver@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? showing them how easy it is to go from PS / IL

RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-16 Thread Scott Barnes
PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 16 October 2008 8:46 PM To: listserver@ozsilverlight.com Subject: Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? showing them how easy it is to go from PS / IL to Expression Design/Blend is the goal. how

RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-16 Thread Muhammad Niaz
To: listserver@ozSilverlight.com Subject: RE: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.? Just on the success of SL in the RIA space... The hard sell is going to be to the designers... they are in many ways married to Adobe PS, but this doesn't they have to stay married to Flash/Flex. They key

Re: [OzSilverlight] Success or Failure of SL.?

2008-10-15 Thread Stephen Price
Hi Muhammad, I can't really comment on Flex but the little I've seen showed me that both technologies were/are moving in similar directions, which you'd expect as they have a similar problem to solve. I can say though, that learning XAML is not a waste given that WPF also uses it. Anything you