--- Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't remember who sent the e-mail message,
but it stuck in my head.
Someone made an off-hand remark about two pen-l
participants (Doug and
myself, seemingly) who mucked up the list or
some such.
Jim
To tell the truth, I don't even know now
Interesting article. I wish we could get real
business, financial and economics journalism from
the left side of the spectrum, but then I wish I
could have my barmicidal cake and eat it too all
the time.
If I were forced to pick three things that have
caused the deflationary malaise of current
I understand that in a letter to Bernstein in 1882 on the South Slav
question, Engels noted in passing that at first he and Marx, like many
other people, were liberals and radicals. (but now in the context of
Russian Czarism it was necessary to get rid of sympathy for the oppressed
South
In London the decision of the Bank of England not to cut interest rates,
despite the poor state of British industry, illustrates the tight corner
that the imperialist powers are in financially.
The Bank of England ignored growing calls for a cut in interest rates by
leaving base rates
The astonishing expansion of the European Union by 10 more countries in the
next couple of years, is explicable only by reference to the fundamental
relations of production in late capitalism.
It is not because slavs have suddenly come to trust saxons, or slovaks
czechs. It is because the
--- Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I suppose that what interests me in this
discussion is not the question of the
political significance of the third digit
right of the point, but rather that
of the social role of different kinds of
unemployment and
Is this shift from stocks to real estate going on elsewhere?
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 07:35:07AM +0100, Chris Burford wrote:
In London the decision of the Bank of England not to cut interest rates,
despite the poor state of British industry, illustrates the tight corner
that the imperialist
Title: RE: mucking
Charles writes: I don't think Pakistanis, Indians or Turks or
Japanese (even when they self-other and
self-orientalize)--or Osama Bin Laden for that
matter--are any more or any less inherently
rational than Americans or British who go around
all the time talking about
i have been following the discussion about whether certain
characteristics are intrinsic to science or not. i am curious about what
the participants believe is this thing called science? how do you
delineate it from other activities so as to provide meaning to your
positions on the matter.
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31244] what is science?
Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. -- Richard Feynman.
That doesn't mean that all self-styled (or society-styled) scientists live up to Feynman's definition. No-one's perfect, while some don't understand this view.
BTW, I still want
i wrote:
(yes this is all old hat: if you are too strict in your definition, such
as defining science as a 'method', then it has been demonstrated that
what we accept as science often breaks this 'method' rule. if you make
the definition more general, say a form of discovery or reporting,
Devine, James wrote:
Science is a way of trying not to fool yourself. -- Richard Feynman.
That doesn't mean that all self-styled (or society-styled) scientists live
up to Feynman's definition. No-one's perfect, while some don't understand
this view.
i do not understand this view.
Random thoughts on Western science
I have little trouble in respecting the achievements of what we're calling
Western science; however, on an economics list I think that a note of caution
might be in order.
Economists often attempt to piggyback their work on the concept of science --
even
Title: RE: what is science?
Ravi writes: to throw in a bit more into this: some of this suspicion arose from
observing a magician and defender of western science (and i agree with
jim's use of the quoted prefix 'western'), named 'the amazing randi',
carry out some tricks at bell
When we talk about science, we frequently talk about two different kinds of
order without adequately distinguishing between them. One kind of order has
to do with laws of causality, the other has to do with conscious intent.
If one lives at the edge of a cliff, it is consistent with the laws of
Tom Walker wrote:
When we talk about science, we frequently talk about two different kinds of
order without adequately distinguishing between them. One kind of order has
to do with laws of causality, the other has to do with conscious intent.
If one lives at the edge of a cliff, it is consistent
C. Hitchens is now to the right of the guy he takes
for a war criminal.
mbs
I am viscerally opposed to a prolonged occupation of a Muslim country at
the heart of the Muslim world by Western nations who proclaim the right to
re-educate that country, said the former secetary of state, Henry A.
Yes, I was going to state something to that effect but I am trying to keep
Michael Perelman mellowed out.
At 02:44 PM 10/11/2002 -0400, you wrote:
C. Hitchens is now to the right of the guy he takes
for a war criminal.
mbs
I am viscerally opposed to a prolonged occupation of a Muslim country
- Original Message -
From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I am viscerally opposed to a prolonged occupation of a Muslim country at
the heart of the Muslim world by Western nations who proclaim the right to
re-educate that country, said the former secetary of state, Henry A.
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31256] Re: Kissinger speaks out
I am viscerally opposed to a prolonged occupation of a Muslim country at
the heart of the Muslim world by Western nations who proclaim the right to
re-educate that country, said the former secetary of state, Henry A.
Kissinger, who as
Has anyone else seen and opened the 483k attachment to Ralph Johansen's
post? I don't think such posts should be sent except after a preliminary
post announcing that they are coming and that they are virus-free?
Carrol
Yes, I have asked before not to send big things like this.
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 03:15:47PM -0500, Carrol Cox wrote:
Has anyone else seen and opened the 483k attachment to Ralph Johansen's
post? I don't think such posts should be sent except after a preliminary
post announcing that they are
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BTW, I still want to know what the alternative is to scientific
(logical-empirical) thinking.
I'd say intuition, but that's only a hunch :)
Carl
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Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31260] Re: Re: Columbus as prototype - after Guindon
It doesn't seem to have a virus, though. (I didn't save it. I just opened it. Norton didn't object. Nor did Kramden.)
Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31253] The Limits to Growth
It depends on how one measures growth. The usual economist -- of the sort criticized below -- measures growth by looking at real (inflation-adjusted) GDP, which is simply a measure of growth of commodity production, of exchange value, i.e., of
I am viscerally opposed to a prolonged occupation of a Muslim country at
the heart of the Muslim world by Western nations who proclaim the right to
re-educate that country, said the former secetary of state, Henry A.
Kissinger, who as a young man served as a district administrator in the
CounterPunch
October 11, 2002
The Greatest Deception of All Time:
The Blessings of Growth
by Jerre Skog
You hear it almost daily. Growth first half year has fallen to less than
0.3% or Economical growth has to increase if we are not to... or We
have to have steady growth or we have nothing
--- joanna bujes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
At 05:12 PM 10/10/2002 +, you wrote:
Again, I believe it's the nature of science
itself -- not just the
corruptive effects of capitalism -- that so
often causes technology to
have a destructive, dehumanizing impact on
society. The ever
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31261] Re: RE: what is science?
said I:
BTW, I still want to know what the alternative is to scientific
(logical-empirical) thinking.
Carl:
I'd say intuition, but that's only a hunch :)
ha!
of course, contrary to scientistic/positivistic propaganda, intuition is
Devine, James wrote:
of course, contrary to scientistic/positivistic propaganda, intuition is
part of science. What was Einstein, if not intuitive? (I'm told that his
math wasn't very good.) Scientists use their intuition all the time. But
then the products of intution that can't be validated
Jim Devine wrote,
of course, contrary to scientistic/positivistic propaganda, intuition is
part of science. What was Einstein, if not intuitive? (I'm told that his
math wasn't very good.) Scientists use their intuition all the time. But
then the products of intution that can't be validated
From: ravi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
my own suspicion (which i will try to flesh out if this thread proceeds)
is that what is broadly accepted as science or scientific activity (or
approach), by the high priests and their followers, is indeed inherently
dehumanizing (i think that's carl remick's [sp?]
RE: [PEN-L:31261] Re: RE: what is science?
- Original Message -
From: Devine, James
said I:
BTW, I still want to know what the alternative is to scientific
(logical-empirical) thinking.
Carl:
I'd say intuition, but that's only a hunch :)
ha!
of course, contrary to
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31260] Re: Re: Columbus as prototype - after Guindon
Criminentlies, cmrds, I am learning. I posted as original rather than as
attachment because I have correspondents who tell me they don't open attachments
or can't do so. But no more. I had no URL to send, because this was
I stole this from the LBO list. More disturbing news.
[This is from the excellent Turkish political economist Sungur
Savran, who's been a guest on my radio show twice. Please spread far
wide.]
Dear Friends,
This is a circular letter aiming to warn friends living in the US
about the treatment
Title: RE: what is science?
In reference to my comment on the normal role of intuition (e.g., Einstein) in science, Ian writes:
What's the difference between intuition and guess?
I'm not sure it matters what the difference is.
What's the difference between intuition and analysis? When
If what "can't be validated logically or empirically" falls by the
wayside, how/why do we have economics?
In confronting mainstream micro purveyors, anything empirical put before
their noses is dismissed as "anecdotal." An intuition that
is validated by unfolding events is "anecdotal." Meanwhile
Greetings Economists,
Ralph, you can put a graphic through Image Ready part of Adobe's Photoshop
and reduce the file size down to manageable levels. It will tell you how
big the file will be once you have finished reducing the original to an
'optimized' size. There may be similar tools out there
Ian Murray wrote:
What's the difference between intuition and guess? What's the difference
between intuition and analysis?
At least according to Susanne Langer analysis is dependent on intuition.
Her example:
Suppose someone admits that All men are mortal and that Socrates is a
Man, but
RE: what is science?
- Original Message -
From: Devine, James
Hey, you have a different font!
In reference to my comment on the normal role of intuition (e.g., Einstein)
in science, Ian writes:
What's the difference between intuition and guess?
I'm not sure it matters what the
Eugene Coyle wrote:
If what can't be validated logically or empirically falls by the
wayside, how/why do we have economics?
In confronting mainstream micro purveyors, anything empirical put
before their noses is dismissed as anecdotal. An intuition that is
validated by unfolding
Trying to close a can of worms
Prosecutors hoping for early 'closure' in their dealings with corporate
America are likely to be disappointed, writes David Teather
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Friday October 11, 2002
It begins to become interesting to see where the investigators and
prosecutors will draw
How Germany paid for the boom
The Dax's 50% fall shattered the dream of a share-owning democracy
Heather Stewart and Charlotte Denny
Friday October 11, 2002
The Guardian
Investors in Britain and the US watching their pension savings rapidly
shrinking might think things couldn't be any worse.
Title: what's in a name?
I propose a name for the recent resolution, passed by the Congresscritters in the D of C: the Gulf of Texaco resolution.
Jim
Title: the D word
Economist.com/October 12, 2002
FINANCE ECONOMICS
Of debt, deflation and denial
FOR decades inflation was the bogeyman in rich countries. But now some economists reckon that deflation, or falling prices, may be a more serious threat--in America and Europe as well as Japan.
Title: news from the edge of America
from SLATE:
According to the Wall Street Journal, the number of people who
try to outdrive a Los Angeles Police Department officer in a high
speed car chase has gone up 40% in the last three years while the
average in the rest of the state has dropped.
Title: RE: [PEN-L:31272] Re: RE: Re: RE: what is science?
I wrote:
of course, contrary to scientistic/positivistic propaganda, intuition is
part of science. What was Einstein, if not intuitive? (I'm told that his
math wasn't very good.) Scientists use their intuition all the time. But
then
sounds good. How about "The Shell game" if they don't go for yours?
Gene
"Devine, James" wrote:
I propose a name for the recent resolution, passed by
the Congresscritters in the D of C: "the Gulf of Texaco resolution."
Jim
Title: testing
testing
testing
- Original Message -
From: Devine, James
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 6:32 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:31284] testing
testing
failing..
[This is from the excellent Turkish political
economist Sungur Savran, who's been a guest on
my radio show twice. Please spread far wide.]
This is bad news. Does anyone here have Sungur's e-mail address?
Sabri
From: Devine, James [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Carl writes:
Again, I believe it's the nature of science itself -- not just the
corruptive effects of capitalism -- that so often causes technology to
have
a destructive, dehumanizing impact on society. The ever increasing
specialization of scientific
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