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From: Jeremy Shuey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:08 AM
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I don't know for sure if it will or not. I just said
I may try it to see what would happen. ;-)
Jeremy
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Sam,
I sometimes think this is why some of these things work. Because
people want them to work they work. The easiest way to obtain high mpg is to
keep your foot off the gas pedal. This works everytime in my experience. For
trials to be comparable all the variables have to remain constant
Yes Ed agreed, doing it this way you will certainly get a far better oil
than if you read a few books yourself and then tried to make it, but on top
of this you will then need to pay for analysis, set up a lab, buy expensive
equipment, etc. etc. to the extent that it becomes a prohibitive
Gerry,
You would probably do far better to contact one of the oil additive
manufacturers, tell them what you wanted to do, supply them with a samples/s
of your base vegetable oil, and ask them for the information and the
appropriate additive package to make a specific engine oil.
To give people an idea of what is required to make a reasonable engine
oil please find attached the below ready reference
B,r,. David
Ready Reference for Lubricants and Fuels
Lubricant Additives
Very little unadditized mineral oil is sold as a lubricant. Almost
David et al,
Maybe for them to work the car has to be travelling in a S
to N line or vice versa. I am sorry but the more I hear of this the more I
am sceptical. That doesnt make me right just sceptical. It is perhaps good
that we have people who are prepared to try this and find
Warren, Sam, et al,
I am still very sceptical, have done very
little reading on the subject, and remain a doubting Thomas but it dosnt
mean you shouldnt try as despite all claims to the contrary magnetic force
fields are not well understood. I am well aware that
Hi Dave,
I suspect a lot of what you are saying below is probably true
but dont know what the answers are. I believe vegetable oils just like
mineral oils need additives to achieve extended life and minimal wear and
tear. At least all the evidence and research points that way. The
Yes it did. Castrol R is made from a Castor Oil base. In the States and
possibly elsewhere they now have an oil called Synflex which is continually
compared to Mobil 1, is reportedly better, though I cant comment, but dont
know its composition.
B.r., David
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On this arguement would depend where the hydrocarbon chain was
being broken ie at what link wether carbon, hydrogen, or oxygen. Shorter
chain lengths should certainly provide better and fuller combustion I would
have thought. I thought higher octane had more oxygen atoms ???
Thats what you call going down in flames isnt it Steve? It certainly burns
with a vengeance. Friend of mine was demonstrating some magnesium welding
rod to a couple of friends just the other day when one of them asked about
this whereupon he tried to show them how well it burns by applying a
Hi Steve,
Tends to support my sceptical attitude if such is the case.
What about high powered Microwave Transmission Towers used by the
telecommunications industry as I know there is widespread debate on that
one?
B.r., David
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I thought this was for the driver. Certainly keeps the chill out in those
old cars. No seriously have heard and read that it has been used as an
antifreeze. With a much lower F.P. no reason it shouldnt be used but at the
same time just remember it also has a much lower B.P. depending on the
What about the starving millions in the world who still do not get fed
properly. Maybe with everyone switching over to fuel production this number
will increase with some of those millions being in the countries of
production. Oh well never mind rather than bread they can eat cake. In this
case
Chuck,
You are not an American by any chance are you? As a member of a
country with less than 5% of the worlds population (280 million divided into
6 billion = 4.67% by my reckoning) using 60% of the worlds energy maybe you
should be listened to and your viewpoint as the biggest
Kirk,
What a brilliant idea. Anyone want a contract for fitting 50 million
piezo-electic crystals to 50 million sheep? We cant have farmers doing it
or they will all be off on compo claiming ACC (Accident Compensation
Corporation) payments as result of burnt wrists and hands. The govt
) I
really appreciate hearing views from other countries and I know a lot of
people don't like us yanks but for the most part we are like any other
bloaks around the world.
Best regards,
Ron Miller
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nameless? Maybe not the only one Steve.
B.r., David
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well, Keith isn't nameless, but he is overworked ;-)
Next thing they will be using them in fertility clinics. Trouble is man
being man it wouldnt take long to misuse them and they will probably be used
to increase arousal. Have a nice day.
B.r., David
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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 3:24 AM
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Hi David,
Sorry I haven't gotten back to you sooner--It's been SOOO unbelievably busy
lately...
I have a 99 dodge ram 1500--318 CI engine, auto transmission...Are the prices
you quoted in NZ$? or US$?
I'm thinking of getting
At 20 gallons per ton and 1200 gallons per acre this equals 60 ton per acre
and 20 ton per crop at 3 crops p.a. Certainly sound feasible if you can get
3 crops p.a. Marc in your case I certainly think it is worth investigating
further. Here in NZ because of our latitude we certainly would only
Found the following which may be of interest to some re Rapeseed oil and
conversion to run tractors and other diesels. www.oilpress.com Shows
conversion for car and John Deere tractor see:
http://www.oilpress.com/rape-diesel1.htm
B.r., David
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Thanks Steve,
Have spent the last 2 hours researching including
reading about Mercedes Benz common rail injection system to arrive at the
same conclusion. Now a bit more informed. Thanks for your input. From this I
surmise that DI engines are generally machined and made to
Keith,
Back on Jan 11 you reported about Dean Kamen and a technology or
device codenamed Ginger that was supposed to have a dramatic effect on the
world and our lives when it was released in 2002. Anyone heard anymore?
B.r., David
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Does anyone know the specific gravity of diesel and what 1 litre weighs?
B.r., David
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Kirk,
No it is in the form of sulfur compounds that agglutinate (clump
together) as much as they can until they are trapped and held in the
cellulose fibre (very tiny at this stage). Left to circulate as in a
stardard engine they continue to agglutinate until they are large enough to
be
: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:47 PM
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David,
The Specific Gravity of petroleum distillate (diesel) falls between .84
.86
John McLean
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You want the webpage as well? I see 4 high school students here got
suspended for making a bomb that demolished an outdoor toilet block from a
recipe and how to page they found on the web. The Timothy McVeighs of this
world dont die so easy eh?
B.r., David
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Marc,
Contacted the curator and heard back the next day. Then asked for
info and trial seed mentioning that it was for the Phillipines but have not
heard back yet. Perhaps info is in transit. Have just sent them another
e-mail this morning to find out where things are at.
B.r., David
Sam,
How could you have got it so wrong. He is not I am. When you give me
reasonable proof I will support you and install one myself. Until then I
remain sceptical and aloof.
B.r., David
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Microturbine Systems
David Reid wrote:
Jim,
Would like some more info on your Paragon series Micro Turbine at
some point (no hurry) including indicative prices. Thanks.
Best regards, David Reid
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Keith,
You are not the only one. I have just been waiting for this to
happen and quite frankly I am suprised it has taken as long as this to
arise. I believe this is always going to be a problem with small scale
production but at the same time I am most definitely for small scale
apply.
B.r., David
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David Reid writes:
...At the same time I believe anyone who
is manufacturing and selling
Havnt had time to read all but cellulase project looks interesting.
B,r., David
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to all vehicles using biodiesel or
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Ian,
It is a longwhile since I was in the UK but suspect the situation is
the same there as here. Here in NZ to have a car on the road you must have
either a current W.O.F. (Warrant of Fitness. for a private car) or a C.O.F.
(Certificate of Fitness. for a commercial truck) and the vehicle
Ian, et al,
Are you aware that there are sintered stainless steel air
stones used by the beer and fermentation industries available.
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Because these block up very quickly if you are talking about cartridge type
filters.
B.r., David
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Subject: [biofuel] Re: bubble wash alternative
Why not just use a 5 micron
Hanns,
The only way you can change things is to get out and do them. If
you wait for others you will still be sitting there talking about it in 10
years time. The problem is not that people think differently to you but that
most of them dont think fullstop. I am often reminded of an old
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I agree with you anyway, but my
They are certainly not cheap but then again they are permanent.
B.r., David
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The ones ive seen so far have been expensive,
Keith,
These are certainly cheaper than the ss ones.
B.r., David
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Ian, et al,
Are you aware
A lot of it is possibly to old to be used. Must have held a political rally
and a lot of it is possibly pre-election
B.r., David
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Hanns,
The only way you can change things is to get out and do them.
If
you wait for others you will still
Steve do you mean 15 inch or 15 feet? Someone recently mentioned shotgun
heat exchangers on this n.g or the distillers n.g. and this is an ideal
situation for its application I imagine. Would be easy enough to rig one of
these up between the motor and the engine in place of the return hose I
Thanks Greg,
Thats what I thought he was talking about. The other
though more difficult initially would be much better and ensure better
combustion. Heat exchangers if made properly especially as in the shotgun
configuration I am talking about are extremely efficient devices.
Greg,
Havnt followed you here. Are you talking about what Steve has done
or what I have suggested with the shotgun heat exchanger. You mentioned a
hose within a hose using insulated radiator hose. If you are talking about
this type of setup which is the most basic heat exchanger with the
James, David, et al,
This sounds like a good idea and I believe
should work well. Have you got access to a good cheap small magnetic drive
pump James perhaps. (bit of a contradiction lumping good and cheap together
when it comes to mag drives).
Believe this would
Indeed true as fluid has to be pumped up whereas air only has to be pushed
down. This brings up another point. Often wonder when using this
bubblewashing process in an area with high humidity how much moisture is
added to the mix from the latent moisture in the air and what its affect
upon the
Hi Ed,
I look forward with interest to what you have on the list and to
the various components and equipment you come up with. While a lot of
equipment can be made here by those who want and are able to do so there is
undoubtedly a lot of equipment out of North America which will be
James,
Should work well if you can get the picture and its a decent one.
B.r., David
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I wonder if there's any possibility of
Robert and Keith,
The Florida agents I gave you were for W T not Danfoss in case you
misunderstood.. For Danfoss try the following:
USA: Danfoss Automatic Controls, 7941 Corporate Dr. Baltimore,
MD 21236, Ph (410) 931-8250, Fax: (410) 931-8256
Hong Kong: Danfoss Ind Ltd. Room 1506-07,
Robert,
After looking at and thinking about the drawings of the Charles 803 still for
the last 3 weeks or so I have a number of questions and comments to make
which I think will improve the still further and increase the alcohol % slightly
without adding significantly to the energy
Tony,
Thanks for the
pictures of the Spirits Unlimited new Euro stills. While these are a step in the
right direction and certainly an improvement on some of their Mickey Mouse
designs they still dont go far enough and show that the designer still dosnt
understand some of the basics
Jonathan,
Commonly called caustic soda. Also known in the States as
Draino (brandname). Available from any good hardware store or chemical
supply house.
B.r., David
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Steve,
Promised
Keith Addison at JTF a while back that I would look further into the use of
molecular sieves for the drying of ethanol to create anhydrous ethanol. Have now
finally got a company to agree to supplying me with a small amount of the
appropriate A3 molecular sieve in order to
Greg and Steve,
Thanksfor both your input. Steve Mike Nixon is a good suggestion and I
will talk to him about it. Greg thanks for the details on the process.
Was looking for info on making a small plant that could be
made for the actual process itself and a subsidary unit to regenerate
Alan,
Thankyou for the
info. Will certainly try to contact him. Found 2 or 3 articles by him when doing
a search at Purdue recently. Many thanks.
B.r., David
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Sorry to take so long in replying. Have been extremely busy
for the last 3weeks. Also sorry to others if I have not yet replied to
you.I am supposed to be getting 1 kg for trial purposes. The rest I have
to payfor. The sample has not yet arrived. I do not want to give you the
detailsof this
stuff his car he aint going to forget you either. Why not
involve one of your friends on the same course who thinks like you and I am
sure you will progress quite fast. As they same two heads think better than
one.
B.r., David Reid
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there.
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Subject: Re: Starch to sugar
Thanks for that David
Much appreciated.
regards
Simon
At 10:28 AM 03-10-00 +1300, you wrote:
Simon,
I
of
the
oil barrel for fuel supplies. Arkenol is a pioneer in processing
cellulose biomas into ethanol: agricultural wastes, straw, leaves,
grass clippings, sawdust or old newspapers.
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a myriad of
possibilities.
Good luck, Aleks
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Sam,
Have just dug out this sugar primer for
somone else (see e-mail to
Simon)and thought if you are looking into what you
can do with cotton it may
be of interest to you.
If you want to convert
Eric,
There is not really a lot published on fully intergrated processes.
Arkenol have done quite a bit of work together with a number of Canadian
companys. The NRL labs in Colorado have also done quite a bit of work and
The Forestry Research Institute here in NZ at Rotorua did quite a
Hi Keith,
Sorry I havnt replied to your e-mail. I havnt forgotten you.
Just havnt had time to reply. Will get back to it in the next day or two and
answer your questions. Seem to be busy answering a lot of other peoples
questions helping other people and not getting a lot of my
Re Cellulose conversion for those who are
interested.
This is certainly an area we could and should focus on.The
main problems with cellulose fermentation as I am sure you are aware arethe
lignin problem and the fermentation of hexose and pentose sugars.If you have
not read the Process
Eric,
Thanks for your prompt
reply. You are at least on the right track. If you can utilize some of the
material as your heat energy source to absolutely cut most of your heating costs
including distillation you only have the electrical energy costs for pumps,
monitoring equipment etc.
The
Eric,
At least you are on the
right path and adopting the right approach. Talking to the guy at the NREL saved
you a lot of time in trying to reinvent the wheel. Definitely not a waste of
time though as you are now that much more knowledgeable and cognisant of other
potential.
B.r., David
Keith,
I know
nothing about quasi-portable ethanol plants using acid, catalyst and steam
treatment in globe shaped pressure vessels to obtain sugars but virtually
all the successful processes so far use a combination of these systems to
acheive success with variable results. At the end of
Gawchicken,
I see you are having problems and there are probably
some things you need to understand before you can go further. Quite a lot of
these relate to basic fermentation. I suggest if you have not already got a
good book covering fermentation that you obtain The
. At present
have not yet made bio-diesel so have no practical experience but intend to
shortly. Have I missed something or is there something I cant yet
see.
B.r., David Reid (New Zealand)
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Hi Keith,
Just noticed when I checked now that I had left the 2 out after the wells in the
e-mail address.
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64.7 C actually but its vapours starting coming off quite a bit before that
point so Gregs figure of 60 C is well worth bearing in mind.
B.r., David
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Pedro, Steve, Keith, et al,
This is not such a silly idea
but I believe it needs to be done properly, designed by a decent graphic
artist who knows what they are doing and who can formulate an overall
coherent design with meaning and impact. Perhaps it
Stephen,
They say as one doorcloses another one opens and I am sure if you look
back over your own life you will see how true this is. Dont be too despondent. I
have plans for and have looked over these myself. I believe I can improve upon
the basic design and in the longrun improve the
Stephen,
Youunderstand and have the right attitude. Robert Warren ripped nobody off
except maybe JTF if he was supposed to give them $10- forevery plan he
sold. I was under that understanding anyway. Overall they are a good set of
plans with some very good ideas and everybody that bought
Dion,
Have just dug out
the info on Prickly Pears, raw, which are the fruit I presume. This gives the
water content as 87.55% leaving a remainder of 12.45% of which carbohydrate
makes up 9.57% thus almost 77% on a dry basis. On that basis the fruit is
emminently suitable for fermentation
I'm sure this question is answered i some of the books I have
but how aboutapples? I have plenty of apples each year to do some
fermenting/ alcoholextraction.
Grendel,
If
you want to know about apples no problem, just slice them or chop them up
using something like a hammer millif there is
Ben,
Try the molasses first. This way you will get the experience and
confidence to quickly assess what is going wrong with the fermentation of
other products and to learn how you can correct this. Yeast need simple
sugars to convert to alcohol and if you tackle one thing at a time you
Alan, Stephan, et al,
There use to be quite a lot of these motors in N Z up to 25 years ago. My
brother being a diesel marine engineer used to rebuilt them. Being quite simple
in design they did notneed a lot of work and were relatively easy to
rebuild. Unlike modern diesels where
Keith,
I think they
still make them in the Phillipines and use them there.
B.r., David
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Quickly searched and found the following:
http://www.lister-petter.co.uk/Home_Page.htm
,also: /product.htm, and: /fulldist.htm
New engines look nothing like the motors I remember which were
mostly tall and slim (especially the ones that were 100 years plus). Daresay in
NZ a lot of these are
Keith,
If you dont
already have it try the following:
http://www.juling.com/txt/products.htm
For product range try/d_engine.htm
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Stephan,
I
am sure one of the advantages of having older technology is that you are aware
of any so called inadequacies and you learn to use it better. I also think
believing you have superior equipment, finding it isnt so, and gettingyour
butt kicked brings about peace a bit earlier. I
David,
Thanks for such a prompt answer and the details.
B.r., David
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The copy of The Power
David,
Auckland public library holds a copy in one of the suburban
libraries so have ordered that. Thanking you.
B.r., David
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Thanks for this, good summary. Add that you don't have to
drink it, it's absorbed through the skin. Which makes this recent suggestion
from the Distillers list maybe not such a brilliant idea:
Seconded. As methanol is a very deadly and toxic poison it
pays for us all to know something about
Keith,
I thought assisted suicide was in with the Dutch just legalising
mercy killing. Looks to me as if we dont have to legalise it here in NZ if
we already have another alternative. My apologies if I upset anyone with my
droll sense of humour.which comes to the fore on the odd
John,
How big a still ie. column size are you talking about here?
Depending on size they would probably work ok. If the column was a
reasonable size (large)used as random packing they should work well. If used
as a packing cut to size,as I think you are suggesting, covering the
diameter
People and Sam,
A
point that everyone might have missed fromthe table below that Sam posted
earlier is that while this table shows the yield per ton it isbased on the
natural air weight of the product listed ie it includes water eg. wheat and corn
both have approx water contents around 12%
2000 05:16:35 +1300
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John,
How big a still ie. column size are you talking about here?
Depending on size they would probably work ok. If the column was a
reasonable size (large)used as random packing they should work well. If
used
Ken,
Your right. Ideally ethanol should be anhydrous when mixed with
gasoline (likewise with ethanol by itself as a fuel) otherwise left to sit
they will separate out over a period but in reality most cars if properly
tuned will run better and slightly hotter (hence better firing) and
Skaar,
As
Geoff has pointed out they need to be broken down to simple sugars Yeast while
they can even take in and absorb more complex sugars like dextrose (a dimer or
two molecule sugar) in order to utilize sugars need these available in the form
of glucose. With the process of
Am in the recycling game so have a ready supply of near
new radiators albeitslightly bent. Which first started me thinking along
these lines.Cant yet find a laser cutter in Perth but there must be one here
somewhere.
John sounds to me as if you dont need a lot of help and can
probably
John,
Further to your
e-mailhave given your idea of usingpaddy melons a bit more thought
and think this may not be such a good idea after all. Dont let me put you off
altogether and at least try them but suspect the carbohydrate level is probably
only round the 5% level. This means to get
Why use a 24v sprinkler system valve? Had not thought of these and do not
know how they actually work. I use a 24v solenoid valve that is off or on.
What is the difference?
B.r., David
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Why use a 24v sprinler system valve?Had not thought of
these and do not know how they actually work. I use a 24v solenoid valve that is
off or on. What is the difference?
B.r., David
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B.P. of ethanol is 78.4 C (173.1 F). Controls are
not too hard to design. It just depends on how sophisticated you want to get.
you could regulate the flow of water manually and
keep it at a slow pace and let the computer do the
rest.
I use a solenoid valve to turn the water off and on
Skaar,
The
main product that comes from Irish moss is Carraggenan a formvery similar
to agar. My Stedmans Medical Dictionary under Carrageenan says: "A
polysaccharide obtained from Irish Moss, a galactan sulphate resembling agar in
molecular structure". See my previous e-mail to Keith Re
John,
Will be interesting
to see what you come up with. Please keep us posted.
B.r., David
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