Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-28 Thread Hakan Falk
Joe, In Israel you will see the same, but with efficient solar panels built together with an insulated storage. It is however an enormous difference in efficiency. The black cisterns have a very low efficiency and you can only collect some warm water at the end of sunny days. The main

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-28 Thread Hakan Falk
grandma was a kid. - Original Message - From: Ryan Pope mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-28 Thread Joe Street
Do you have any information on IR absorption of common black materials, ie flat black paint types which are resonably good? I plan to do something with it one day but would like to make something myself of reasonable efficiency rather than buying a turnkey solution. Joe Hakan Falk wrote:

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-28 Thread bob allen
Howdy Joe, don't stop with IR, you want to absorb all wavelengths- there is more energy available in the visible/UV than the IR. Any flat black material will absorb all wavelengths (not counting high energy stuff like gamma rays). what you need is a material which not only absorbs, but also

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-28 Thread Joe Street
Really?  I was under the impression 65% of the incoming solar radiation was IR and NIR.  Well I was thinking of putting flat black paint on copper pipes and having a sun tracking parabolic mirror beneath them. I was just wondering if anyone had any data on flat black paint types as the last

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-28 Thread Zeke Yewdall
I do have some info on absorbance/emittance of various media, but not easily at hand. I'll try to look it up. What I recall is that flat black paint is about 80% absorbance, and also 80% emittance. Not sure about the difference between different types of black paint. The selective surfaces

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
? thats how the old folks used to make apple whiskey for hard cider when my grandma was a kid. - Original Message - From: "Ryan Pope" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coale

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Hakan Falk
apple whiskey for hard cider when my grandma was a kid. - Original Message - From: Ryan Pope mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't involve the energy use of heating a bulk volume of oil to near water BP. Coalescing media comes to

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Hakan Falk
][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e. passive

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
whiskey for hard cider when my grandma was a kid. - Original Message - From: "Ryan Pope" mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation:

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Hakan Falk
] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't involve

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
: Ryan Pope mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Bill Clark
: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't involve the energy use of heating a bulk volume of oil to near water BP

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
6, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't involve the energy use of heating a bulk volume of oil to near water BP. Coalescing media comes to

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't involve the

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
apple whiskey for hard cider when my grandma was a kid. - Original Message - From: Ryan Pope mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Hakan Falk
PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Ryan Pope
@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:36:44 -0500 Hi Ryan, I live about 70 miles from Kaydon Filtration. I talked with them this morning and they told me that this filter will not work on vegetable oil. Sorry. Good thought though. Bill Clark

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Hakan Falk
Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't involve the energy use of heating a bulk volume of oil to near water BP. Coalescing media comes to mind

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
. - Original Message - From: Ryan Pope mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
to make apple whiskey for hard cider when my grandma was a kid. - Original Message - From: "Ryan Pope" mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
when my grandma was a kid. - Original Message - From: Ryan Pope mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate wa

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't involve the energy use of heating a bulk volume of oil to near water BP. Coalescing media comes to mind, has anybody ev

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
Hakan Falk wrote: Zeke, Solar thermal hot water is the cheapest and most efficient solar use, I do not understand that the use is so low. This except Israel, where you can see solar for hot water on almost every house. . snip Ever been to Mexico? Joe

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
cider when my grandma was a kid. - Original Message - From: Ryan Pope mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Hakan Falk
PROTECTED] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Zeke Yewdall
] To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Hakan Falk
Joe, Yes, but Mexico it is a bit larger and more people than Israel and in total they do not have the same density, but last time was around 15 years ago and Israel the last time was around 6 years ago, China 5 years and Brazil last time was only 2 years ago. Time goes very fast. Still, I

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Jason Katie
] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media Getting it really cold means removing heat. Whether you remove heat or add heat it takes time and energy. Adding heat would be a more efficient process unless you live in the arctic and can let good old mother nature do the work for you. BTW someone

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Mike Weaver
never had a freezer, they left buckets of apple beer on the porch in the winter. - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 8:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media Getting it really cold means

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Joe Street
Almost every house and building has a big black cistern on the roof. The are everywhere you look. Joe Hakan Falk wrote: Joe, Yes, but Mexico it is a bit larger and more people than Israel and in total they do not have the same density, but last time was around 15 years ago and Israel

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-27 Thread Sean Chadwell
, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't involve the energy use of heating a bulk volume of oil to near water BP

[Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-26 Thread Ryan Pope
I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't involve the energy use of heating a bulk volume of oil to near water BP. Coalescing media comes to mind, has anybody every looked into this further or heard of its use in

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-26 Thread Jason Katie
PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media I'm trying to think of alternate ways to reduce/eliminate water in WVO that are both easy (i.e. passive) and don't involve the energy use of heating a bulk

Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media

2006-04-26 Thread Ryan Pope
That could cetainly work it a Wisconsin winter...the cold is free! Ryan From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO-Water Separation: coalescer media Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:54:01 -0500 what about