[OSM-talk] Taking a break and a call for help

2020-03-20 Thread Paul Johnson
So, you all know at this point that I've been heavily invested in editing OSM and contributing to my maximum activity, less as a need to help a charity and more of an obligation to the public to do the most good with the short time I have on this planet. However, I've had a few events come up

Re: [OSM-talk] Taking a break and a call for help

2020-03-20 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 6:07 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > 3) Amazon Logistics and a revolving door team of one-edit-and-done spam > accounts keeps throwing paid contributions into Oklahoma that are of poorly > aligned, largely fictional and low quality. I'm stuck cleaning up in a > ne

Re: [OSM-talk] Taking a break and a call for help

2020-03-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 11:37 AM Jmapb wrote: > I try to keep an eye on them and fix the errors and the most egregious > road geometry. When I leave changeset comments, they generally reply, > but there are so many of them that it feels like trying to cook rice one > grain at a time. Very much

Re: [OSM-talk] Taking a break and a call for help

2020-03-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 9:36 AM Dave F wrote: > In my area, AL are adding legitimate data which helps improve the quality > of the OSM database. I believe they make the same amount of errors as any > other contributors, including experienced ones. > > Unsure why he thinks OSMF should be keeping

Re: [OSM-talk] Taking a break and a call for help

2020-03-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 3:59 PM Greg Troxel wrote: > Dave F via talk writes: > > > In my area, AL are adding legitimate data which helps improve the > > quality of the OSM database. I believe they make the same amount of > > errors as any other contributors, including experienced ones. > > > >

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] VANDALISM !

2020-08-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 8:36 PM Clay Smalley wrote: > For those who aren't following, the DWG recently decided on a two-day ban > for the person who posted this, for the exact behavior they're exhibiting > right now: https://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/3850 > > jdd 3, please take a break.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Hands Off !, respect my (our) space

2020-08-24 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Aug 24, 2020 at 9:50 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Talk-us < talk...@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > In ID, on your profile page is, Other nearby users, and the home location, > map > > the point is other locals based on my (our) edits know where we (I) live, > but come on > > don’t edit the

Re: [OSM-talk] Big Blue Button download

2020-09-17 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 1:41 PM Rory McCann wrote: > On Thu, 17 Sep 2020, at 8:21 PM, Clifford Snow wrote: > > Can you confirm that we can leave the recordings on the server and are > > able to link to the recordings for other sites, like the wiki? > > No, you can't rely on it like that. We only

Re: [OSM-talk] CyclOSM Lite a new cycling infrastructure map layer

2020-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:22 AM James wrote: > and if pedestrians are allowed on it: > > highway=path > segregated=no > Maybe. If it clearly has lanes marked out, I tend to consider this a cycleway even if there's no sidewalk as it was clearly built for bicycles a forethought with minimal, if

Re: [OSM-talk] Proper use of route relations?

2020-08-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Aug 1, 2020 at 11:24 AM Mike Thompson wrote: > I have come across a number of examples[0] of route relations where all > the trails in a given park have been put into a single relation. Is this a > recommended use for route relations? > Nope. It's wrong. Each route should have its

Re: [OSM-talk] This needs to be voted upon. (was: Re: Separating all metadata from coordinates in OSM into a wikibase instance)

2020-08-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 1:03 AM Mateusz Konieczny via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Before going to vote it would need to demonstrate some sort of clear > benefit and > consensus that it is reasonable. > For this, as well as my take on this

Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] fake, edit, fake map.

2020-06-16 Thread Paul Johnson
Yeah, there's plenty that's wrong with Amazon's mapping (like basically just straight out importing GPX from Amazon trucks and not bothering to check for completeness or alignment at all, something I routinely see). But armchair mapping in and of itself isn't the problem. On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook acquires crowdsourced mapping company Mapillary

2020-06-18 Thread Paul Johnson
Great. How's this affect those of us who trust Facebook about as far as we can throw it? On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 5:37 PM Sérgio V. wrote: > > https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-facebook-deals-mapillary/facebook-acquires-crowdsourced-mapping-company-mapillary-idUKKBN23P3N6 > > > - - - - - - - -

Re: [OSM-talk] Facebook acquires crowdsourced mapping company Mapillary

2020-06-18 Thread Paul Johnson
Doesn't OpenStreetCam have similar corporate ownership problems, with the additional problematic aspect that the toolchain's been neglected since Telenav cut 'em loose? On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 6:23 PM Niels Elgaard Larsen wrote: > Paul Johnson: > > Great. How's this affect those

Re: [OSM-talk] Could/should editors detect/disallow huge changeset bboxes?

2020-06-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 6:07 AM Frederik Ramm wrote: > I wonder if it would be feasible or desirable for editors to warn users > if they are at risk of creating country/world-spanning changesets. > Something like "you have unsaved edits more than 500km away from where > you are editing at the

Re: [OSM-talk] Could/should editors detect/disallow huge changeset bboxes?

2020-06-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 10:31 AM Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 03:45:17PM +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On 12.06.20 15:22, Dave F via talk wrote: > > > There is a lot of negativity about large changsets, but assessment of > > > them should be based on quality, not

[OSM-talk] Large cadastral polygons

2020-06-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 10:28 AM Florian Lohoff wrote: > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 02:14:15PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via talk wrote: > > > > > > > > Jun 12, 2020, 13:59 by f...@zz.de: > > > > > Changeset envelopes which span more than 100s of km² are broken. > > > > > Except cases where you

Re: [OSM-talk] Large cadastral polygons

2020-06-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 6:32 PM Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 13/6/20 1:37 am, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 10:28 AM Florian Lohoff wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 02:14:15PM +0200, Mateusz Konieczny via talk >> wrote: >>

Re: [OSM-talk] Please SWITCH to Mailman 3 & hyperkitty

2020-12-14 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 at 1:51 PM ipswichmapper--- via talk < talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > You are right. If updating to mailman 3 will take monrhs of work it is > probably not worth trying to make any changes right now. > Recurring OpenStreetMap theme: If fixing something takes absolutely

Re: [OSM-talk] FLOSS alt? | Re: reddit AMA with some OSMF Board members. 15:00Z 9 Nov

2020-10-30 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 5:03 AM Rory McCann wrote: > On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, at 10:04 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Rory, I am absolutely sure there was no bad intent in the choice of > > format and platform, but given where this discussion went so fast, I > > believe the setting should be

Re: [OSM-talk] Should we be mapping transformers and powerlines?

2023-01-18 Thread Paul Johnson
Ever been lost someplace where that's the only obvious set of fixed landmarks? On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 9:16 PM john whelan wrote: > Perhaps you could expand on the benefits of mapping them? > > Thanks John > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2023, 10:09 PM stevea, wrote: > >> I'd like to say "oh, please..."

Re: [Talk-transit] Multiple tracks

2009-06-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, 2009-06-20 at 12:18 +0100, Richard Mann wrote: While I like the idea of marking individual railway tracks as separate ways, I foresee a problem for the renderers if we don't tell them how many tracks are adjacent. If a renderer makes a distinction between tracks=1 and tracks=2, and

Re: [Talk-transit] Monorails

2009-09-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 22:02 -0400, Bill Ricker wrote: On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Frankie Robertofran...@frankieroberto.com wrote: Fulfilling a very small niche, I've added a (very short) page for monorails (in the UK): http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_monorails we

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:56:22 +0200, Heiko Jacobs wrote: So this words don't satisfy me ... I'm searching something like traceless, virtual, very, really very abandoned, ... Does anybody has an idea? How about omitting the line entirely? If it's no longer part of the ground truth, why try

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 27 Jul 2010 20:59:53 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: For tagging the status of rail infrastructure there are in use: I usually think it's good to look at existing practice by others. On USGS maps, and in US legal usage: out of service: rails still exist, but no trains. shown as

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:31:53 +0200, Michał Borsuk wrote: On 28 July 2010 11:26, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Something like http://forum.openstreetmap.org Definitely. Forum is way better than a mailing list, a threaded forum is even better. [citation needed]. There's nothing a

Re: [Talk-transit] totally abandoned rails

2010-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:03:59 +0200, Michał Borsuk wrote: Just a technical note, we'd need a server with some proper Forum-like software, so that posts like the one below could be pinned. Why not just update the wiki? Why needlessly complicate things with a forum?

Re: [Talk-transit] Proposal for a new transport tag

2012-02-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Bryce McKinlay bmckin...@gmail.com wrote: Secondly, GTFS is already a good, widely used, open format for transit schedules. Introducing a new set of tags for this stuff in OSM would be like reinventing the wheel. In many cases GTFS data is provided and kept

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Privacy and Terms

2009-06-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 2009-06-24 at 17:46 -0400, Russ Nelson wrote: Some of the stuff is there because of stupid-ass legislation which violates various laws (e.g. if the site is going to be used by underaged children (which of course it will) we would have to treat them differently (at least

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] wikitude content

2009-08-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2009-08-25 at 12:18 +0200, Joel wrote: They do hold the rights to the location of the POIs when based on Google maps. but not the information embedded in the POI. i think that if the POIs were placed on Yahoo's photos it would be legal (seeing as they gave permission to trace photos)

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] attribution of data for use on TV

2009-09-18 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 23:19 -0500, tele...@hushmail.com wrote: My question is what type of attribution is appropriate? I have no problem informing my end-users where I get the data. More than happy to do that. However, do I need to attribute while the application is used on-air? Screen

Re: [Talk-ca] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Apollinaris Schoell wrote: On 12 Apr 2009, at 9:01 , Adam Schreiber wrote: Probably because the mapper can easily identify the type of road (i.e. Interstate, US Hwy, etc.). I'm not sure that the mapper should be specifying the URL of the sign since it requires extra work to find it and any

Re: [Talk-ca] importing geobase data for the Canadian boarder

2009-05-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Ben Konrath wrote: Ok, I did some more poking around and it seems that the land border with the US is really borked. For BC and Alberta, there are 3 - 4 different border lines with the US. I'm willing to do the work required to clean this up by deleting the lines that don't make sense. I just

Re: [Talk-ca] importing geobase data for the Canadian boarder

2009-05-28 Thread Paul Johnson
James Ewen wrote: On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Corey Burger corey.burger-re5jqeeqqe8avxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote: For BC and Alberta, there are 3 - 4 different border lines with the US. This one is very very easy. It is the 49th parallel from lake of the woods to the straight of

[Talk-ca] Bicycle boulevards

2009-06-09 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm curious if bicycle boulevards would qualify as living streets, given that a living street would most closely describe a bicycle boulevard in OSM terms, though a bicycle boulevard might lack pedestrian facilities. Frequently, these are not streets you would want to let the kids play in, as the

Re: [Talk-ca] Bicycle boulevards

2009-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm curious if bicycle boulevards would qualify as living streets, giv= en that a living street would most closely describe a bicycle boulevard i= n OSM terms, though a bicycle boulevard might lack pedestrian facilities= =2E Frequently, these are not streets you would want to let the kids

Re: [Talk-ca] [OSM-talk] Bicycle boulevards

2009-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
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Re: [Talk-ca] [OSM-talk] Bicycle boulevards

2009-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Mario Salvini wrote: Even in germany on these roads there are no additional rights-of-way in comparison to normal cycleways (except that bicycles get the officially allowance to drive next to each other and not just inline. buts that's piece of cake ;) ). A

Re: [Talk-ca] Bicycle boulevards

2009-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/6/10 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: In my eyes, that road would be simply tagged with highway=cycleway. there are some main differences though: usually they are normal streets changed in designation. That is cars are allowed but don't have the

Re: [Talk-ca] [OSM-talk] Bicycle boulevards

2009-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Michael Barabanov wrote: Can we use relations same way as for more complex cycle routes for this one? Yes, though you're not limited to just a specific kind of way for relations. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-ca

Re: [Talk-ca] [OSM-talk] Bicycle boulevards

2009-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Ted Percival wrote: If it's not a through road for vehicles but is for bicycles that could be a challenge to tag access restrictions on. Perhaps a node with barrier=* if there is one. The barriers aren't usually barriers as such, but rather turn restrictions in place with exceptions for

Re: [Talk-ca] [OSM-talk] Bicycle boulevards

2009-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Karl Newman wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Karl Newman wrote: *Avoid duplicate copies of messages?* When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list message, you can

Re: [Talk-ca] Hey, look! State / Prov borders!

2009-08-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 10:56 -0400, Adam Schreiber wrote: To make things clear, should the place=state tag be placed on, near the node for the capital city of the state? Why not closer to the geographic center like expected? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes

2009-11-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Richard Welty wrote: a specific example that's in front of me right now is the Mohawk-Hudson Bike-Hike Trail (aka the Mohawk-Hudson Bikeway). it spans two counties and is maintained by the towns it passes through for the most part, sort of sitting between local and regional. i've dithered

Re: [Talk-ca] Olympic Lane / Voie Olympique

2009-12-17 Thread Paul Johnson
Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Adam Dunn dunna...@gmail.com wrote: For those wondering what this is about, Vancouver is designating certain traffic lanes for official Olympic vehicles (public transit buses, athlete transportation, media transportation, etc). Other lanes

Re: [Talk-ca] Google Streetview

2010-03-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 08 Mar 2010 15:39:52 -0500, Colin McGregor wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 3:26 PM, James Ewen ve6...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, my last message just got me wondering about other issues... We all know that it is not appropriate to copy data from Google, or use their aerial photos to trace

Re: [Talk-ca] [Talk-us] Tag for Tim Horton's

2013-05-30 Thread Paul Johnson
While it tries to be more like an upscale fast-food place, it's core concept and the way people interact with it is definitely cafe. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us wrote: I've never been to a Tim Hortons, but it looks like it's very similar to the Dunkin'

Re: [Talk-ca] Rendering of Canadian shields

2013-08-14 Thread Paul Johnson
Crud, guess it helps if I include the link: http://www.th.gov.bc.ca/publications/eng_publications/electrical/MoST_PM.pdf Page 115. Not 100% sure on reproducibility of Canadian shields; perhaps a Canadian could help on this part. On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org

[Talk-ca] Rendering of Canadian shields

2013-08-14 Thread Paul Johnson
Incidentally came across some shield guidance for handling BC routes 1 (Trans-Canada), 3 (Crow's Nest), 5 (Yellowhead) and 16 (TC, though also Yellowhead in places). Alberta uses a similar 3 sign (albeit on an Alberta shield cutout) for the Alberta segment of the Crow's Nest.

Re: [Talk-us] National Forest Boundaries

2009-02-20 Thread Paul Johnson
Chris Lawrence wrote: On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Theodore Book tbook-vggt2q2+t+feowh0uzb...@public.gmane.org wrote: Despite my taking a local approach, I do think it would be great if we could do a coordinated national upload of the NHD data, however. I think it would definitely help

Re: [Talk-us] U.S. Bike Route 76

2009-03-11 Thread Paul Johnson
Spencer Riddile wrote: Chris, What would the advantage/disadvantage be of using a different network name (usbrs vs. ncn) for U.S. bike routes. The author of open cycle map would have to adjust their symbolization if we started using usbrs. Is it good to try to keep some international

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Minh Nguyen wrote: On 4/11/09 11:38 PM, Nicholas Vetrovec wrote: Posted on the US Page to help coordinate US Interstate relations. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highways_Relations We'll need this kind of coordination for U.S. routes as well. Probably wouldn't hurt for the

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Joseph Jon Booker wrote: Also, wouldn't it make sense to have the way a route is displayed as the name? For example, network=I,ref=90 would have name=I 90, and network=US:IL, ref=58 would have name=IL 58 in the relations. Not really, no. Many Interstate routes have official names that have

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Minh Nguyen wrote: On 4/11/09 11:38 PM, Nicholas Vetrovec wrote: Posted on the US Page to help coordinate US Interstate relations. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highways_Relations We'll need this kind of coordination for U.S. routes as well. Another thing I just

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Joseph Jon Booker wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 04:45:23 -0700 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Joseph Jon Booker wrote: Also, wouldn't it make sense to have the way a route is displayed as the name? For example, network=I,ref=90 would have name=I 90, and network=US:IL, ref=58 would

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Apollinaris Schoell wrote: On 12 Apr 2009, at 9:01 , Adam Schreiber wrote: Probably because the mapper can easily identify the type of road (i.e. Interstate, US Hwy, etc.). I'm not sure that the mapper should be specifying the URL of the sign since it requires extra work to find it and any

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Apollinaris Schoell wrote: this is nice, will add what I have done already. some comments for discussion. did you change the recommendation for a reason compared to the one here? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging not that this is perfect but it has more

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Greg Troxel wrote: Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: Why make this more complicated than it has to be? Leave the names on the underlying way, not the relations; leave the refs on the relations, not the underlying ways. Then it's a matter of fixing mapnik and t...@h to do the right

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-27 Thread Paul Johnson
Apollinaris Schoell wrote: over all this is a complex topic, maybe I should summarize some obervations tiger data is that the quality is from excellent to really bad in accuracy tiger data is old and contains abandoned roads tiger has no level info, no direction for oneways, no turn

Re: [Talk-us] Temporarily Deleting Relations from Interstate Ways

2009-05-05 Thread Paul Johnson
Ted Mielczarek wrote: On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com mailto:ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: I've been working on state highways and interstate relations myself lately, too. I stopped using Potlatch for exactly this reason... On Tue, May 5, 2009 at

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER Data in Wrong Place

2009-05-06 Thread Paul Johnson
Andrew Ayre wrote: Hi! When I load OSM data into my GPS unit using mkgmap for a place in the UK then it is accurate. When I load OSM data for Tucson, Arizona then it is off by perhaps 100ft. I would like to make the maps for Tucson usable, so my questions are: - how do I tell where

[Talk-us] Oregon WMS data now available: Your Oregon tax dollars at work!

2009-05-10 Thread Paul Johnson
0.5m resolution WMS data is now available for all of Oregon without dealing with mangling Yahoo tiles or inconveniently placed watermarks, all from a nice, fast wms server provided by University of Oregon and Oregon Geospatial Enterprise Office. Here's the license info

Re: [Talk-us] Addresses and Tiger

2009-05-26 Thread Paul Johnson
Adam Schreiber wrote: On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Theodore Book tb...@libero.it wrote: I have been playing around with the TIGER 2008 data, which, for some of the counties around Atlanta seems to be much better than the old data. If I import it for some of the counties, though, I would

Re: [Talk-us] Addresses and Tiger

2009-05-30 Thread Paul Johnson
Theodore Book wrote: I have worked the Tiger shapefile converter into a state where I think the Karlsruhe lines are ready for import into OSM. (The highway lines probably need some more attention first.) I am uploading the Karlsruhe ways for Rockdale Co. GA, (Link below) a place where the

Re: [Talk-us] Addresses and Tiger

2009-05-31 Thread Paul Johnson
Alan Millar wrote: Can/should this be done with relations instead of separate paths? The idea is to have it stick to the road. With this it creates a lot more nodes, and there is no easy way to manually get the spacing right between the road and the addresses if something is moved. Also the

Re: [Talk-us] dividing highways (Oregon)

2009-06-03 Thread Paul Johnson
Dion Dock wrote: I have a small-picture, big-picture issue. Small picture: I've got a track of I84 in Oregon from Mosier to Gresham, westbound. The problem is OSM has most of I84 as one two- directional way. What's the best way to add this track? Most of the ramps will be messed up

Re: [Talk-us] Tidying up TIGER data

2009-06-04 Thread Paul Johnson
Ian Dees wrote: Its functions are: - Strip St suffix from grid-named streets (eg. South 500 West) - Collapse multiple spaces into a single space (lots of TIGER) - Expand abbreviated directions (eg. S 500 E to South 500 East) - Expand abbreviated suffixes (Rd - Road, St -

Re: [Talk-us] Tidying up TIGER data

2009-06-04 Thread Paul Johnson
Adam Schreiber wrote: Also in Atlanta, there's N St. I got directions from google and thought I was looking for North St. Man was that a big mistake. OK, so expand cardinals or not? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Tidying up TIGER data

2009-06-04 Thread Paul Johnson
Ted Percival wrote: I'm not sure why the logic is inverted. While it is common notation to abbreviate the cardinal directions, the street signs actually say 300 West, and I would prefer voice navigation software to say Turn on Three hundred West Rather than Turn on Three Hundred Double-U, for

[Talk-us] Bicycle boulevards

2009-06-09 Thread Paul Johnson
I'm curious if bicycle boulevards would qualify as living streets, given that a living street would most closely describe a bicycle boulevard in OSM terms, though a bicycle boulevard might lack pedestrian facilities. Frequently, these are not streets you would want to let the kids play in, as the

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Bicycle boulevards

2009-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
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Re: [Talk-us] Bicycle boulevards

2009-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Mario Salvini wrote: Martin Koppenhoefer schrieb: 2009/6/10 Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk: In my eyes, that road would be simply tagged with highway=cycleway. there are some main differences though: usually they are normal streets changed in designation. That is cars are

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Bicycle boulevards

2009-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Michael Barabanov wrote: Can we use relations same way as for more complex cycle routes for this one? Yes, though you're not limited to just a specific kind of way for relations. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Bicycle boulevards

2009-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Karl Newman wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:04 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Karl Newman wrote: *Avoid duplicate copies of messages?* When you are listed explicitly in the To: or Cc: headers of a list message, you can

Re: [Talk-us] US Interstate ways alignment

2009-06-25 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 15:23 -0500, Stephen Johnson wrote: Some of the TIGER ways and nodes for Interstates in my area are way out of alignment. They are all over the map if you'll forgive the pun. I have several GPS tracks for most of the Interstate lanes. My question is what should I

Re: [Talk-us] US Online Mapping Parties

2009-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 09:42 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote: On Wed, 2009-07-08 at 09:37 -0700, Barry Parr wrote: Since most of the US users are so spred out, maybe we can organize some online mapping parties and knock out some large areas that are in need of

Re: [Talk-us] bike rail trail as built vs as proposed and imported

2009-08-08 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 08:19 -0400, Bill Ricker wrote: The Upper Charles Trail was included in the MASSgis import. It has a note=under construction. As imported and proposed, it slavishly followed a passenger and freight line straight to the center of town, but Milford sensibly added scenic

Re: [Talk-us] Boston transit info available

2009-08-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 09:54 -0400, Richard Weait wrote: Boston is releasing their transit information for the Boston and surrounding areas. http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/08/coming_soon_iph.html That's interesting. I wonder if we have any tools to make use of Google

Re: [Talk-us] Hey, look! State / Prov borders!

2009-08-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 08:47 -0600, James Ewen wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Richard Weaitrichard-gnthur35lhcavxtiumw...@public.gmane.org wrote: So we USA-ians have a few nodes to move for place=state; Ooh, yuck... the state name labels end up in the wrong spots... missed that.

Re: [Talk-us] Hey, look! State / Prov borders!

2009-08-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, 2009-08-26 at 10:56 -0400, Adam Schreiber wrote: To make things clear, should the place=state tag be placed on, near the node for the capital city of the state? Why not closer to the geographic center like expected? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: [Talk-us] Native American Reservations

2009-09-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 14:10 -0700, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: the wiki has them as proposal on boundary=adminstrative, admin level 1, but this is definitely wrong. they should be either level 3 - 5. as far as I know they have a pretty special legal status and level 3 seems to be a good

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 21:12 -0700, Dion Dock wrote: Hello, In my neighborhood there are some unpaved residential streets. How should those be tagged? highway=track highway=residential surface=unpaved I would tend to go with highway=track unless the street in question is

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, 2009-09-06 at 21:49 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org writes: On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 07:30 -0400, Greg Troxel wrote: It depends on what the road is like. If it's a decent dirt road that normal cars routinely drive on, has a street name, is considered

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 2009-09-07 at 11:40 -0700, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: I think people most tag according to importance anyway. this brings us to the topic of tiger import again. there are too many roads tagged as residential. Agreed. You'd think after people complaining after the first one, the

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2009-09-08 at 14:18 -0400, Paul Fox wrote: alex wrote: On 09/06/2009 05:56 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: I would tend to go with highway=track unless the street in question is a gravelled over macadam or some other semi-paved surface mostly because I would expect

Re: [Talk-us] Truck Inspection Stations

2009-09-26 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 22:44 -0400, Chris Hunter wrote: Oops, forgot to link an example - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=28.99212lon=-82.14362zoom=16layers=B000FTFTrelation=71023 I wouldn't mark that as a restricted access ramp unless there's signage to that effect at the scale enterance.

Re: [Talk-us] Restriction tagging

2009-09-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, 2009-09-28 at 23:10 -0400, Nakor wrote: Hello, I am wondering how you can map that when you enter a highway from a specific ramp you cannot exit at the next one. Please see http://osm.org/go/ZXCt9WHU-- where it is forbidden driving from I-94 east to M-10 to exit M-10 at exit 4C.

Re: [Talk-us] NY Bicycle Routes

2009-11-10 Thread Paul Johnson
Richard Welty wrote: On 10/30/09 6:59 PM, Sam Vekemans wrote: Hi, how are you tagging state-wide cycle routes? I know we have lcn= for local cycle routes (named not named) rcn=for regional cycle routes (ie metro area) then there's ncn=for nation wide but there's no scn (state cycle

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging next exit services

2009-11-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Chris Hunter wrote: Tag the first node of the offramp as highway=motorway_junction. As far as the sign itself goes, there's a proposed relationship for signs in the UK and EU at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:destination_sign that may be of some help. Note that destination

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging next exit services

2009-11-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Dale Puch wrote: Personally I do not think the signs should be put in OSM, just the actual POI's are tagged. Agreed. Another factor is that the US MUTCD only defines a very small number of specific services nationwide (food, lodging, camping, telephone, gasoline, diesel), while other states

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Thea Clay wrote: Hi, I have a random question... does anyone have suggestions for how I would correctly tag a Super Wal-Mart? I read through the wiki but there didn't appear to be a tag that fit. The store in question has a 1.) a full grocery store with bakery/deli/produce/dry goods,

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging next exit services

2009-11-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Randy wrote: Dale Puch wrote: Personally I do not think the signs should be put in OSM, just the actual POI's are tagged. There may be reasons to put in signs, I just do not think this is one of them. Dale -- Dale Puch Don't forget the intent of the requester's original question, i.e.,

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-12 Thread Paul Johnson
Alan Mintz wrote: How should one tag a no-right-turn-on-red-light restriction? Like other turn restrictions, with restriction=no_right_turn_on_red? I think this is going too far into depth for any real navigation purpose, I'd say skip it as the restriction lasts for only seconds at a time,

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Owlman wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: I would have to side with not tagging them. This is a timming restriction, not a navigation one. Navigation is not the only purpose of OSM

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Alan Mintz wrote: California being one of those more permissive states, I agree with the annoyance at those who don't know it's legal to turn right on red (or the other cases) unless specifically prohibited. Because it is rare to see this prohibition, I believe it is important to tag and

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging next exit services

2009-11-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Alex S. wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: return-to-where-you-came-from [sign] (at state lines to send you back out of Oregon), etc). U-Turn Route - there are quite a few signed u-turn routes in Washington state, too. I have questioned (myself) whether these should be explicitly defined in OSM

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Alex S. wrote: Nakor wrote: Anthony wrote: Five other states, namely Alaska, Idaho, Michigan, Oregon and Washington, allow left turns on red even from a two-way street. Thanks. I had always wondered if this is allowed here in MI as only a few people do it at the one intersection like

Re: [Talk-us] No right turn on red

2009-11-13 Thread Paul Johnson
Anthony wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:40 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Owlman wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Dale Puch dale.p...@gmail.com wrote: I would have to side with not tagging them

[Talk-us] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
Dave Hansen wrote: If we can come up with a scheme for getting the addressing imported in a sane fashion and the consensus is that people want it done that way, it'll get imported. There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that like to grumble about TIGER, but I haven't heard a single

Re: [Talk-us] Super Wal-Mart Tag

2009-11-15 Thread Paul Johnson
Matthias Julius wrote: I consider numbered tags to be messy. Nodes inside the building is not better unless you are really producing a map of the building's internals. How do you figure? Strip malls typically only have one building but all ammeneties are accessable from the outside. And

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