Hi all!
I work together with Erik Matsson who also have written in this thread (in
August). For those of you who haven’t read his message, we work at Appello that
owns the navigation application Wisepilot. It is through Wisepilot those
anonymous notes have been posted.
First of all, thanks
Not that I want to create even more problems but 35 km/h is a typical
max speed in many rural towns in Iceland. These are often 4-5 street
towns with a major road going through 1 of them so they see the need to
severely limit the speed.
It is up to each municipality to select max speed and
On 09/08/2014 05:05 PM, Per Rosengren wrote:
Like Andreas Vilén suspected, our default position was sometimes used when
posting a note. It is users who have not yet gotten a real GPS fix (probably
in combination with that they do not understand the reporting functionality).
In coming
Hi Per,
thanks for your reply to the thread here.
My suggestion regarding GPS traces would be twofold:
1) it would be great to have more gps traces alltogether in general, so
a general upload of traces would be ideal, but it requires teaching the
users about the danger of it, and uploading
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
I am aware that the USA has speed limits in multiples of 5 mph. I was
suggesting that the app should use the GPS, or settings, to get some
sensible locaiised values for speed limits values and mph/kph.
3mph / 5km/h is
Il giorno 03/set/2014, alle ore 21:21, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org ha
scritto:
3mph / 5km/h is also a common enough speed limit that this value appears in
the SHS as a common value for speed limit signs (usually used in scales,
unusually tight service plazas, etc).
I've also
planned to include the
position accuracy in the notes.
Thank you for your feedback.
//Erik
*From:* Christian Quest [mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr]
*Sent:* den 21 augusti 2014 08:35
*Cc:* OpenStreetMap
*Subject:* Re: [OSM-talk] Incorrect speed limit anonymous notes - who
is behind
More (automatic) details in the notes could be useful.
For example: add the heading (something like N, NW, etc)...
Also make sure you're creating the note at the earliest position and not
when the report is saved/confirmed.
Have you considered sharing GPS traces ?
This would be another major
: OpenStreetMap
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Incorrect speed limit anonymous notes - who is behind
that?
More (automatic) details in the notes could be useful.
For example: add the heading (something like N, NW, etc)...
Also make sure you're creating the note at the earliest position and not when
the report
Hi my name is Erik and I work as a developer at Appello that owns the Wisepilot
application. In our latest release (5.1) we've included a first iteration for a
report component with the intention to make it easier for our users to report
map issues in OSM. Unfortunately the release for version
Hi Eric
Thanks for your comments, I have been having a play with wisepilot and do
quite like it.
Pleased to see you are addressing the issues we have pointed out.
I did find the login to osm after i used it, but used with care I found it
excellent. It was a quiet time so I was able to stop
On Sun, 2014-08-17 at 14:14 -0500, John F. Eldredge wrote:
Speed limits that are an odd multiple of 5 are common in the USA. For
example, the most common speed limit on motorways within cities is 55 mph.
15 mph is a common speed limit near schools at the times of day when children
are
I opened an issue about this a year ago and apparently it came up in an EWG
meeting as well. But talk and issues don't write code.
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/385
Toby
On Aug 16, 2014 8:10 PM, colliar colliar4e...@aol.com wrote:
Am 16.08.2014 08:28, schrieb
On Sun, 2014-08-17 at 02:22 +0200, Andreas Vilén wrote:
The user in question now told me he's been using the Wisepilot
app: http://www.appello.com/apps/wisepilot/ and seemed totally
oblivious to it being a mystery, and that it creates strange and
unhelpful notes in most cases.
I'm
Then there are what I expect are temporary limits for some reason being
reported.
Such as
http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/219321#c438501
The permanent limit here is correctly posted as 70 mph.
Phil (trigpoint)
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Did the app have a standard position when the GPS doesn't work properly or
is not active, considering all the notes in several different languages,
that are constantly created in the same location in central Stockholm?
The ones that are clustered around a residential area in a small village in
Speed limits even n4
On August 17, 2014 7:43:03 AM CDT, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
On Sun, 2014-08-17 at 02:22 +0200, Andreas Vilén wrote:
The user in question now told me he's been using the Wisepilot
app: http://www.appello.com/apps/wisepilot/ and seemed totally
oblivious
Speed limits that are an odd multiple of 5 are common in the USA. For example,
the most common speed limit on motorways within cities is 55 mph. 15 mph is a
common speed limit near schools at the times of day when children are likely to
be using the crosswalks.
Speed limits that aren't an
Reminds me of what Mapdust failed at.
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 7:10 AM, Matthijs Melissen i...@matthijsmelissen.nl
wrote:
I see a lot of comments like this. The underlying problem seems to be
that it is not clear whether notes are meant for armchair mappers, or
for surveyors in the field.
I've seen km/h speed limits in the US. There's even a sign standard for
these, and the Federal Highway Administration is recommending the new signs
over the existing MPH signs (tonnes and km/h are circled on the sign,
obsolete units have no circle).
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Philip
On 2014-08-16 01:48, Andreas Vilén wrote:
This continues to be really annoying, and the obvious spam seems to
cluster at a few locations, where 10-20 notes can be created with the
same information. The maker of this app must be made clear that notes
can't work like this, and users would at least
2014-08-16 8:28 GMT+02:00 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl:
On 2014-08-16 01:48, Andreas Vilén wrote:
This continues to be really annoying, and the obvious spam seems to
cluster at a few locations, where 10-20 notes can be created with the
same information. The maker of this app must be made
Like this one: http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/220298 It says map error:
general map error: error...
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 8:34 AM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com
wrote:
2014-08-16 8:28 GMT+02:00 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl:
On 2014-08-16 01:48, Andreas Vilén wrote:
This
I noticed that note was actually made by a logged in user so I tried asking
where the notes were coming from and got the answer Wrong speed limit on a
speed camera together with a sent from my iphone with http://midpoint.se/
and nothing else... I have no idea what midpoint is but it feels like I
On 08/16/2014 01:34 AM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote:
2014-08-16 8:28 GMT+02:00 Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl
mailto:md...@xs4all.nl:
On 2014-08-16 01:48, Andreas Vilén wrote:
This continues to be really annoying, and the obvious spam
seems to
cluster at a few locations,
Uhm, no, that's not it... Look at
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/57.9221/12.5033layers=N for example.
Also, at least 40-50 notes have been created on this exact location:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/215471 That leads me to believe that that
position is the zero position of the app used
Am 16.08.2014 08:28, schrieb Maarten Deen:
On 2014-08-16 01:48, Andreas Vilén wrote:
This continues to be really annoying, and the obvious spam seems to
cluster at a few locations, where 10-20 notes can be created with the
same information. The maker of this app must be made clear that notes
This continues to be really annoying, and the obvious spam seems to cluster
at a few locations, where 10-20 notes can be created with the same
information. The maker of this app must be made clear that notes can't work
like this, and users would at least be required to give some contact
Since these notes are automatically generated there's no on you
could
ask for clarifications, which is needed for all issues.
Are we still talking Incorrect speed limit? What clarification
does that need? I used to get a lot of similar reports from
Skobbler, so mapped all the local speed
Hi,
A distinction between field notes and armchair IMHO goes too far.
Instead a kind of field flag might help, which can be seen as this
note has to be reviewed by someone with detailled on-the-ground
knowledge or being present on the ground.
On the other hand there's the problem of an increasing
On 10/08/14 21:16, Norbert Wenzel wrote:
Since these notes are automatically generated there's no on you could
ask for clarifications, which is needed for all issues. And that has
been tried. The quality of these reports has already been discussed on
this list so I don't see any value in these
Il giorno 11/ago/2014, alle ore 10:29, Ed Loach edlo...@gmail.com ha
scritto:
Anyway Incorrect speed limit is one that needs a survey, but not
really clarification.
+1, I also don't think this can be reported automatically (a preconfigured
text is not something I'd call automatically
On 08/11/2014 10:29 AM, Ed Loach wrote:
Since these notes are automatically generated there's no on you
could
ask for clarifications, which is needed for all issues.
Are we still talking Incorrect speed limit? What clarification
does that need? [...]
The start and end of the speed limit
Il giorno 11/ago/2014, alle ore 12:25, Norbert Wenzel
norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com ha scritto:
Anyway Incorrect speed limit is one that needs a survey, but not
really clarification.
You could solve every problem in OSM by survey, but what's the point of
notes saying survey needed?
It
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 12:38 +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Have there been cases where at the time the note was created the speed limit
in osm was actually correct?
Yes, this one which I closed yesterday,
http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/214534
Only to now spot this one appearing.
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 09:54 +0100, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 10/08/14 21:16, Norbert Wenzel wrote:
Since these notes are automatically generated there's no on you could
ask for clarifications, which is needed for all issues. And that has
been tried. The quality of these reports has already
On 08/11/2014 12:38 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Il giorno 11/ago/2014, alle ore 12:25, Norbert Wenzel
norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com ha scritto:
A lot of messages posted with the same text and known to be of dubious
quality
Have there been cases where at the time the note was created
Il giorno 09/ago/2014, alle ore 13:56, Norbert Wenzel
norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com ha scritto:
just seeing these notes along a
motorway every few kilometers. And since these messages don't tell what
the actual speed limit should be and where it starts it gets really
annoying to close
Hello,
I think I will reopen the debate here, by asking a simple question: how
many of those saying hey, let this note open, it does no harm to
anybody have actually browsed a country for its opened notes and tried
to close them? How many have done the same with openstreetbugs during
its last
I see a lot of comments like this. The underlying problem seems to be
that it is not clear whether notes are meant for armchair mappers, or
for surveyors in the field.
I think both types of notes are useful: that way the notes can serve
as a two-way communication between mappers in the field (for
Have a look there:
https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/486
If categories are create (and I think they should), I would still add
private notes/heavy duty work
JB.
Le 10/08/2014 14:10, Matthijs Melissen a écrit :
I see a lot of comments like this. The underlying
I wonder whether these incorrect speed limit notes might not be
reporting that the speed limit on the map isn't what it is on the
road, but someone objecting to what the speed limit on the road is,
and making a token protest about it?
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 1:24 PM, JB jb...@mailoo.org wrote:
On 10/08/2014 11:50, JB wrote:
Hello,
I think I will reopen the debate here, by asking a simple question:
how many of those saying hey, let this note open, it does no harm to
anybody have actually browsed a country for its opened notes and
tried to close them?
Yes, I do this all the time,
On Sun, 2014-08-10 at 15:13 +0100, John Sturdy wrote:
I wonder whether these incorrect speed limit notes might not be
reporting that the speed limit on the map isn't what it is on the
road, but someone objecting to what the speed limit on the road is,
and making a token protest about it?
On 08/10/2014 09:42 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
Il giorno 09/ago/2014, alle ore 13:56, Norbert Wenzel
norbert.wenzel.li...@gmail.com ha scritto:
just seeing these notes along a
motorway every few kilometers. And since these messages don't tell what
the actual speed limit should be and
On 07/29/2014 01:06 AM, Tom Hughes wrote:
On 28/07/14 23:38, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
Recently I saw anonymous notes being added of the form Incorrect
speed limit. Reported speed limit is X km/h.
Here's a search query:
On 07/29/2014 01:43 AM, John Packer wrote:
I'm from Brazil, and recently the community started reporting similar
notes, though translated in portuguese, and with the same problems...
Besides some obviously wrong values, there are some you can't even say
where exactly they would apply to.
Are
In French, I understand the message as « the speed limit in OSM is
0/5/15/90 km, that is incorrect », but the speed limit indicated does
not match that of any road in OSM close to the point. Do you understand
the english messages the same way?
Anyway, as for most notes concerning speed limits,
Am 29/lug/2014 um 09:32 schrieb JB jb...@mailoo.org:
Anyway, as for most notes concerning speed limits, if you do no have the
beginning and the end of the limit, at least in France, the information is
quite useless.
+1, at best this can be a hint to resurvey (if positional accuracy is
On 29/07/2014 08:32, JB wrote:
Anyway, as for most notes concerning speed limits, if you do no have
the beginning and the end of the limit, at least in France, the
information is quite useless.
Are we all armchair mappers now? Surely the note should prompt someone
local to go out to the
On 29/07/14 07:29, Norbert Wenzel wrote:
On 07/29/2014 01:43 AM, John Packer wrote:
I'm from Brazil, and recently the community started reporting similar
notes, though translated in portuguese, and with the same problems...
Besides some obviously wrong values, there are some you can't even say
I don't necessarily want to analyse once more how the notes are opened,
closed or not closed and to what aim, nor analyse the end of
OpenStreetBug life and the quality of the remaining bugs, but in France,
I have never ever seen anyone comment on someone else's note (or «
resurvey »). The only
Sorry,
there are QA tools to detect where speed limits are missing?
Can you give me a link?
And - if it's not self explaining: how should that work? I don't see any
way to detect missing speed limits in the data beyond cases where those
are implicit defaults, like 100 on non-trunk roads away from
Hi Peter,
The following ITO Map shows missing maxspeed tags where there isn’t any purple
(mph maxspeed) or dark green (km/h maxspeed) colour:
http://www.itoworld.com/map/125?lon=-0.08316lat=51.51851zoom=14open_sidebar=map_keyfullscreen=true
If you want to see the current speed limits see:
Hello,
Not sure it is safe to go on such a discussion that may turn sour soon
only because of different views on how notes should be used… Lets say I
try to keep the db as clean as possible without getting too much
angryness here in France, but am also wondering on how the situation
will look
Hi Shaun,
if I understand these maps correctly, they show streets without a
maxspeed tag, but not msising maxspeed restrictions under the assumption
of a national default or something like that (although it seems not so
show any missing maxspeed in Germany, so there might be something like
that
2014-07-29 13:39 GMT+02:00 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de:
Hi Shaun,
if I understand these maps correctly, they show streets without a
maxspeed tag, but not msising maxspeed restrictions under the assumption
of a national default or something like that (although it seems not so
On 29 Jul 2014, at 13:07, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote:
2014-07-29 13:39 GMT+02:00 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de:
Hi Shaun,
if I understand these maps correctly, they show streets without a
maxspeed tag, but not msising maxspeed restrictions under the assumption
of a
Hi Peter,
Unfortunately we don’t take account of any country defaults due to the
complexities involved.
I’m sure that someone will come up with a tool to highlight the problems if a
national speed limit does change, especially if the maxspeed:type is used
appropriately.
Shaun
On 29 Jul
Am 29/lug/2014 um 13:39 schrieb Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de:
as it is even more difficult (if
possible) to detect where there are errors (!) in existing speed limits.
personally I also map sign positions (nodes aside the road), because it really
helps for verifying what is
Recently I saw anonymous notes being added of the form Incorrect
speed limit. Reported speed limit is X km/h.
Here's a search query:
http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/notes/search?q=Incorrect%20speed%20limit.%20Reported%20speed%20limit%20is
As they all are generated from a template, I guess
On 28/07/14 23:38, Michał Brzozowski wrote:
Recently I saw anonymous notes being added of the form Incorrect
speed limit. Reported speed limit is X km/h.
Here's a search query:
http://api.openstreetmap.org/api/0.6/notes/search?q=Incorrect%20speed%20limit.%20Reported%20speed%20limit%20is
As
Interesting. The coverage of these notes is almost global. I don't see any
in South America or Australia but otherwise there are some on each
continent.
I also see some reported speed limits in the U.S. in km/h which is most
likely not correct.
Once upon a time I suggested adding a kind of
They also appear in French: Limitation de vitesse inappropriée. La
limitation de vitesse signalée est X km/h
And in Portugese: Limite de velocidade incorreto. O limite de
velocidade informado é X km/h
also Finnish, Czech, Swedish, Italian...
Oh, you can just view all of them by searching km/h :)
I'm from Brazil, and recently the community started reporting similar
notes, though translated in portuguese, and with the same problems...
Besides some obviously wrong values, there are some you can't even say
where exactly they would apply to.
There's been at least some 60 of those in portuguese
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