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Nicely answered, I appreciate that! SteveA > On Nov 8, 2019, at 4:02 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > > sent from a phone > >> On 9. Nov 2019, at 00:48, stevea wrote: >> >> I wouldn't say "all" addresses, as Facebook isn't "all" of us. > > > of course, I apologize if this came

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sent from a phone > On 9. Nov 2019, at 00:48, stevea wrote: > > I wouldn't say "all" addresses, as Facebook isn't "all" of us. of course, I apologize if this came along like a campaign just with facebook, it was just an example that facebook was mentioned, because they are our biggest

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I wouldn't say "all" addresses, as Facebook isn't "all" of us. Also, it's an ambition, a gleam in a collective eye, a vision, something ahead in the future as a goal. There will be, rightly, many paths to get there, rather than a single one. This is true of any major goal in OSM. SteveA >

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sent from a phone > On 8. Nov 2019, at 13:59, Simon Poole wrote: > > Just imagine that we increase the number of new OSM contributors by an > order of magnitude, to ~2'000'000 per year, and just as magically we get > them to make the single edit they typically make to be adding an > address

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Simon Poole: >> how can the new contributor wishing to add an address find this tool? > That doesn't make the slightest difference, because the only people > adding addresses in any meaningful way are those 1% of contributors. it's the problem of the egg and the chicken : if effective tools were

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Am 08.11.2019 um 13:19 schrieb marc marc: > Hello, > > Simon Poole : >> The issue with addresses is definitely not due to a lack of tools >> for OSM contributors. For example >> https://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/anzeige_dynamisch.html?land=Schweiz=8.71423=47.05777=8=B > lack of tools

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Hello, Simon Poole : > The issue with addresses is definitely not due to a lack of tools > for OSM contributors. For example > https://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/anzeige_dynamisch.html?land=Schweiz=8.71423=47.05777=8=B lack of tools not only mean "no tool exist", it also means "tool

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Just as a further data point for the discussion: we are currently adding roughly 10'000'000 addresses per year relatively constant since 2013, with some exceptions due to imports (mainly NL in 2014 I believe). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

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The issue with addresses is definitely not due to a lack of tools for OSM contributors. For example https://regio-osm.de/hausnummerauswertung/anzeige_dynamisch.html?land=Schweiz=8.71423=47.05777=8=B which covers essentially all the analytics needed for comparison with open data datasets and

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Hello, > We've been "addressing the address topic" for more than > 5 years in France with our BANO project. and despite the amount of opendata information available, 5 years later, there is still a lot of red (missing road name or mismatch between osm and opendata). I agree with the original

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Wait,. .. when was the 'noname' layer gone? Yves Le 7 novembre 2019 08:06:27 GMT+01:00, Christian Quest a écrit : >We've been "addressing the address topic" for more than 5 years in >France >with our BANO project. > >Here is an overlay I created back then to show existing and missing >address

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See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete/Quests and https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/StreetComplete for more info, including full list of available predefined tasks. 6 Nov 2019, 20:40 by talk@openstreetmap.org: > For

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We've been "addressing the address topic" for more than 5 years in France with our BANO project. Here is an overlay I created back then to show existing and missing address data in OSM compared to available OSM compatible sources.

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For your usecase, Tom, perhaps Street-Complete would work for you if you turned on all the building-related quests and turned off the other quests? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.westnordost.streetcomplete=en_US On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 11:33 AM Tom Russell wrote: > Am Mi., 6.

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Am Mi., 6. Nov. 2019 um 09:17 Uhr schrieb Oleksiy Muzalyev mailto:oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch>>: On the main osm.org site one can right-click on a building and select "Show address" or "Add a note here" . What if a new type of a note is introduced, a structured address note?

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Am Mi., 6. Nov. 2019 um 09:17 Uhr schrieb Oleksiy Muzalyev < oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch>: > On the main osm.org site one can right-click on a building and select > "Show address" or "Add a note here" . What if a new type of a note is > introduced, a structured address note? > > The structured

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On the main osm.org site one can right-click on a building and select "Show address" or "Add a note here" . What if a new type of a note is introduced, a structured address note? The structured address note entry form will consist of several input fields: Building number: ... Street (avenue):

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It's a pretty cool concept, but doesn't necessarily invoke ALL addresses have been found, what happens if a few addresses are there? What happens if someone adds 1 or 2 addresses? Pretty good QA tool I'm guessing? ___ talk mailing list

[OSM-talk] Addressing SIG

Hello Maps have three basic components: Display (does it look nice?), Routing (Can I get from a to b?) and Geocoding (Where is this address?). OSM is extremely good at the first one, and pretty good at the second one. But it’s pretty deficient in the third area: address data. The question is,

Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing systems (Was: Paper/Article about stagnation in OSM)

On 03/08/2018 09:22, oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote: I just tried to create the 3-words address for a building in Odessa, Ukraine. The system suggested "dressings.cookies.brothers". It would be close to impossible to transmit these three words over the telephone to a local taxi dispatcher.

Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing systems (Was: Paper/Article about stagnation in OSM)

I understand what you mean and I share your view. I would like just to mention that the European civilization absorbed others' achievements massively.For example, corn ended for good famines in Europe. At the same time, it was the product of five thousand years selection effort by people of South

Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing systems (Was: Paper/Article about stagnation in OSM)

To me this is just another way of colonisation, forcing (technical) systems upon other people who have no say in them. They are communicated as a means to help people, but are mainly to make a buck in the end. Instead we at OSM should leave it up to the people themselves to choose how to

[OSM-talk] Addressing systems (Was: Paper/Article about stagnation in OSM)

Subject changed ;) On 03.08.2018 08:41, Maarten Deen wrote: > The extra penalty for What3words is that you also need an active > internet connection (or a huge offline addressing database) to convert > the three words to a location. ... > Is it easier and > quicker for me to first open some

[OSM-talk] Addressing System in OSM

Who can help me with Addressing System in OpenStreetMap, I need like a tutorial for that because I am trying to figure out some problems in Kosovo, but I need help to do that ?... -- Regards Besfort Guri +377 44 49 88 91 www.besiguri.wordpress.com http://besfortp.posterous.com/

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Start here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address Generally you just need the addr:housenumber and addr:street tags, but if you're more specific with your question we can do a better job answering. Nominatim can also be useful for debugging purposes, go here:

Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 14:29:14 -0500, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed. But that doesn't always

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 15:19 -0500, Mike N. wrote: FYI - I applied the experimental script which creates address interpolation ways at - http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py The results are at

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py Cool stuff! I've been looking at doing the same thing. Which osgeo python code are you using? I'm using the default lib for Fedora - GDAL 1.6.0; release 8.fc11 . Someone else (in Georgia?) created all

Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

Ian Dees wrote: Hi everyone, I'm looking at some donated street centerline data that has addressing data in the form of Right/Left From Addr and Right/Left To Addr on each street centerline. Is there an accepted way of applying these tags to the road ways? It doesn't really make very much sense

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Andy Allan [mailto:gravityst...@gmail.com] wrote: Sent: 12 November 2009 2:15 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: Ian Dees; OSM Talk; talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing Question Ian Dees wrote: Hi everyone, I'm looking at some donated street centerline data

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...@googlemail.com wrote: Andy Allan [mailto:gravityst...@gmail.com] wrote: Sent: 12 November 2009 2:15 PM To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) Cc: Ian Dees; OSM Talk; talk...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing Question Ian Dees wrote: Hi everyone, I'm looking at some donated

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed. But that doesn't always reflect reality. The reality, at least in many parts of the world, is

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2009/11/12 Anthony o...@inbox.org: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed. But that doesn't always reflect reality.  The reality, at

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FYI - I applied the experimental script which creates address interpolation ways at - http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py The results are at

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On 12 Nov 2009, at 8:28 , Ian Dees wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote: I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the initial import, than to import things badly and try

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 10:28 -0600, Ian Dees wrote: Give everyone a chance to work in a constructive way and don't expect others to clean the mess bad import left behind. No wonder there are only few motivated mappers in US. In Canada they do a much

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.comwrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote: I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the initial import, than to import things badly and try to fix it up later. We've been working on lots

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On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote: I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the initial import, than to import things badly and try to fix it up later. We've been working on lots of post-import fixups in the last 6 months and it's much harder than everyone

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: It probably has to be a relation.  Include a start node, an end node, and a list of one or more ways (which are connected to form one logical way).  

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On the other hand, putting the information directly on the way would be

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed. But that doesn't always reflect reality. The reality, at least in many parts of the world, is

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed. But that doesn't always reflect reality. The

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On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 11:40 -0800, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: Don't know any place except in US where this has been done. Even if it weren't done anywhere else (which it is, see below), there are a lot of houses in the US. how is that easier than the Karlsruhe scheme? It's

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follow the OSM principle. map what's on the ground no matter where you are On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:56 , Dave Hansen wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 11:40 -0800, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com

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If we're going to go into detail, no type of interpolation reflects reality, it's just interpolation. I disagree.  An approximation of reality reflects reality.  Physical street surveys will almost never get 100% reality due to missing house numbers, etc.   Are you proposing to discourage

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FYI - I applied the experimental script which creates address interpolation ways at - http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/utils/import/tiger2osm/shape_to_osm-Tiger.py The results are at

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:43 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Every single country has different addressing rules, it's not like this particular scheme is special. That's why someone came up with a tagging scheme that can express all or most of these rules They did? What

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:14 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Ian hasn't (yet) mentioned whether this data he deals with contains potential address ranges or actual ranges, so I assumed actual. The fact that it's tagged on the line segments representing the road centerline pretty

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Mike N. nice...@att.net wrote: There are cases with Karlruhe Scheme that need addditional tags like Czech addresses but I haven't heard of such cases from US or other mappers.  I recently started using a new modifier tag addr:inclusion to help in accurately

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Hi, Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:43 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: Every single country has different addressing rules, it's not like this particular scheme is special. That's why someone came up with a tagging scheme that can express all or most of these rules

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I would also strongly encourage you to use one such line on each side of the road, instead of putting tags on the road itself. This makes it very clear which side an address is on, better than any tags you can put on the

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Hi, Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I would also strongly encourage you to use one such line on each side of the road, instead of putting tags on the road itself. This makes it very clear which side an address is on, better than any

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: I consider interpolation ways to be an abstract thing also. To convey the information, they need to be on each side of the road The thing is, they don't. As long as there is no doubt (for the person viewing the

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Hiya, 2009/11/12 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com: I'm looking at some donated street centerline data that has addressing data in the form of Right/Left From Addr and Right/Left To Addr on each street centerline. Is there an accepted way of applying these tags to the road ways? It doesn't really

Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:55 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: Hiya, 2009/11/12 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com: I'm looking at some donated street centerline data that has addressing data in the form of Right/Left From Addr and Right/Left To Addr on each street centerline. Is

Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:47 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: That's a pretty pessimistic view. Sorry, I am pretty grumpy today. The area I'm looking at actually has quite a few mappers already, so I imagine this data would probably get updated quickly. For the record an

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2009/11/12 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com: What does the math look like to handle intersections? Curvy roads? I admit that data wasn't complex, all segments were straight and all nodes were treated as intersections. Do you have parametric (e.g. bezier) curves or just lots of short segments making

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2009/11/12 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com: On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:55 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.com wrote: The hope is that local mappers there will be slowly improving imported data until there are separate points for every address I think?  Then I'd recommend just adding those

Re: [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I'm looking at some donated street centerline data that has addressing data in the form of Right/Left From Addr and Right/Left To Addr on each street centerline. Can you identify the location of the Addr for the

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:55 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: Hiya, 2009/11/12 Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com: I'm looking at some donated street centerline data that has addressing data in the form of Right/Left From Addr and Right/Left To Addr on each street centerline. Is

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: No, I doubt local mappers will improve the data. If that's true (and I'm really not sure if it is), then it really shouldn't be in OSM in the first place. I sent this mail because almost all of the data I've seen available

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Ian Dees wrote: * Ok, not impossible, but the import size would triple and the CPU time to compute the new addressing-only ways might make it hard for the regular mapper to do. But for no added code and editor complexity. IMHO the only decent alternative is using a relation for each address

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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On the other hand, putting the information directly on the way would be problematic for many reasons. Ranges might span multiple ways, and right/left has to be reversed whenever the way is reversed being the most troublesome.

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

Ian Dees wrote: * Ok, not impossible, but the import size would triple and the CPU time to compute the new addressing-only ways might make it hard for the regular mapper to do. But for no added code and editor complexity. IMHO the only decent alternative is using a relation for each address

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:47 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr...@gmail.comwrote: That's a pretty pessimistic view. Sorry, I am pretty grumpy today. The area I'm looking at actually has quite a few mappers already, so I imagine this data would probably get updated quickly. For the record an

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On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:17:09PM +, Dave Stubbs wrote: It's what happens when you hit reply to all. Get used to it -- it's gonna happen to you a lot. It’s a pity more MUAs don’t have reply to list or take note of the List-Post header. ☹ Simon -- A complex system that works is invariably

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On Sunday 14 December 2008 17:20:52 Simon Ward wrote: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 01:17:09PM +, Dave Stubbs wrote: It's what happens when you hit reply to all. Get used to it -- it's gonna happen to you a lot. It’s a pity more MUAs don’t have reply to list or take note of the List-Post

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On Friday 12 December 2008 10:23:37 Ed Loach wrote: I just spotted the following (video) news report on the BBC website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7778886.stm I don't believe the featured street has been mapped yet http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.37471lon=-2.3144zoom=15 but it looks

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I just spotted the following (video) news report on the BBC website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7778886.stm I don't believe the featured street has been mapped yet http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.37471lon=-2.3144zoom=15 but it looks like to have addressing tags on it each house would need

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2008/12/12 Matias D'Ambrosio angas...@gmail.com: On Friday 12 December 2008 10:23:37 Ed Loach wrote: I just spotted the following (video) news report on the BBC website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7778886.stm I don't believe the featured street has been mapped yet

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On 12/12/08, Matias D'Ambrosio angas...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 12 December 2008 10:23:37 Ed Loach wrote: I just spotted the following (video) news report on the BBC website: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7778886.stm I don't believe the featured street has been mapped yet

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On Friday 12 December 2008 11:17:09 Dave Stubbs wrote: OMG! Off-thread-topic shocker! What is this thread about BTW? I seem to have lost track. Street number craziness. By now it has degenerated into look at this neat grid and look at this crazy swirling random number maze, still useful since

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On Friday 12 December 2008 17:34:39 Colin McGregor wrote: The best arrangement I have seen for street numbers is in Chicago, IL. Streets laid out on a grid pattern. On the north/south and east/west streets there is a number - distance link. If you go from say 1 North Michigan to 801 North

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On 10 Dec 2008, at 23:04, Matias D'Ambrosio wrote: On Wednesday 10 December 2008 15:12:46 Shaun McDonald wrote: South Bridge in Edinburgh has the numbers run up one side, then back down the other. I just looked at Edinburgh and all I can say is, I'm sorry! Looks like a mess to map,

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On Thursday 11 December 2008 07:05:58 you wrote: On a more serious note about addressing, the Karlsruhe Schema would still fit your scenario. You can interpolate along each block, and assume that there is no guarantee that every building number exists. Then for extra detail, you can mark every

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On Tuesday 09 December 2008 11:37:13 Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Matt Amos wrote: sure, editor support isn't 100% yet, but why re-create a poor-man's relations with name-based references, when we already have proper relations? In my eyes an address is not a relation. It comes close, but a

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In your country, perhaps. In my country, that's EXACTLY what the address is. The address is the street and distance from the street's starting point, in metres. What happens if two houses are built facing each other on opposite sides of the street? Wouldn't they get assigned the same

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2008/12/10 Ed Loach [EMAIL PROTECTED] In your country, perhaps. In my country, that's EXACTLY what the address is. The address is the street and distance from the street's starting point, in metres. What happens if two houses are built facing each other on opposite sides of the

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On Wednesday 10 December 2008 12:04:13 you wrote: In your country, perhaps. In my country, that's EXACTLY what the address is. The address is the street and distance from the street's starting point, in metres. What happens if two houses are built facing each other on opposite sides

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On 10 Dec 2008, at 16:41, Matias D'Ambrosio wrote: On Wednesday 10 December 2008 12:04:13 you wrote: In your country, perhaps. In my country, that's EXACTLY what the address is. The address is the street and distance from the street's starting point, in metres. What happens if two houses

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On Wednesday 10 December 2008 15:12:46 you wrote: South Bridge in Edinburgh has the numbers run up one side, then back down the other. I have come across some residential streets that are numbered all the way around. It's very rare around here for houses to be numbered based on the end of the

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On Wednesday 10 December 2008 15:12:46 Shaun McDonald wrote: South Bridge in Edinburgh has the numbers run up one side, then back down the other. I just looked at Edinburgh and all I can say is, I'm sorry! Looks like a mess to map, excellent work :) I find it very strange that you city

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Hi, that sounds elegant and solves the problem I had yesterday when trying to add some street numbers to a street made of many small ways that branch from the main one, i.e. something like this: | | | | | ---+--++-+-- | there is now at least one such

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sure, editor support isn't 100% yet, but why re-create a poor-man's relations with name-based references, when we already have proper relations? Because editor support is almost non-existent, and exceptionally confusing :-) The advantage of using addr:street is that it does just work. The

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On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Congratulations on constructing something that is likely to break as soon as the first inexperienced mapper touches it ;-) it would have been perfectly ok to just add nodes for the individual houses and tag them with

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Dave Stubbs wrote: I like the clean relation data model, but find the addr:street thing much easier at the moment. Maybe I'll add an addressing button (sorry, I meant obscure keypress :-P) to Potlatch sometime then there'll be no excuses left. When this accursed API 0.6 is out of the way,

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On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sure, editor support isn't 100% yet, but why re-create a poor-man's relations with name-based references, when we already have proper relations? Because editor support is almost non-existent, and exceptionally confusing :-)

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On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:45 AM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sure, editor support isn't 100% yet, but why re-create a poor-man's relations with name-based references, when we already have proper relations? Because editor support is almost non-existent, and exceptionally confusing :-)

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

addr:street=Foo on an addressable element is basically the same thing as route=LCN:4 on a way. and i thought it was well understood why using this method for routes is A Bad Idea, even if it is easier. Actually that has far more to do with having bus 37, bus 337, bus 270, bus 44, bus N44,

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

Hi, Matt Amos wrote: except when it doesn't - e.g: misspelled streets, deleted in use streets, etc... A little redundancy doesn't hurt - on the contrary, it makes spotting mistakes easier. And about deleted in use streets: If a house has a certain address then it has that address, even if

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Amos wrote: sure, editor support isn't 100% yet, but why re-create a poor-man's relations with name-based references, when we already have proper relations? In my eyes an address is not a relation. It comes close,

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

2008/12/9 Elena of Valhalla [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:45 PM, Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: sure, editor support isn't 100% yet, but why re-create a poor-man's relations with name-based references, when we already have proper relations? Because editor support is

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

Frederik Ramm wrote: Sent: 09 December 2008 1:37 PM To: Matt Amos Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] addressing Hi, Matt Amos wrote: sure, editor support isn't 100% yet, but why re-create a poor-man's relations with name-based references, when we already have proper relations

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

Hi, Matt Amos wrote: exactly - so why say that the nearest road with a particular name is the addressable road? better to indicate exactly which way is the addressing element and leave routing for the via elements. No, not indicate which way is the addressing element (because the object may

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Frederik Ramm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Amos wrote: except when it doesn't - e.g: misspelled streets, deleted in use streets, etc... A little redundancy doesn't hurt - on the contrary, it makes spotting mistakes easier. and prevention is better than a

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 03:00:04PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Matt Amos wrote: exactly - so why say that the nearest road with a particular name is the addressable road? better to indicate exactly which way is the addressing element and leave routing for the via elements. No, not

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

i prefer using relations, but clearly both methods have merits. how hard is it to support both? Having read this discussion I know of a location locally where both methods are probably required. There is a road called New Way where the houses on one side actually have postal addresses of

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

Hi, Matt Amos wrote: sure, editor support isn't 100% yet, but why re-create a poor-man's relations with name-based references, when we already have proper relations? In my eyes an address is not a relation. It comes close, but a house *can* have an address that has nothing to do with the

Re: [OSM-talk] addressing

SteveC wrote: needs a simple how to do addressing in potlatch video a-la the old ones I did, as if you ignore relations it is essentially trivial I'll be committing some new presets next week with all the fields ready and waiting. cheers Richard -- View this message in context:

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