On 8/31/2014 5:11 PM, LuKreme wrote:
On 31 Aug 2014, at 08:08 , Ted Mittelstaedtt...@ipinc.net wrote:
Google does it. It's not impossible.
[snip]
My experience is that the commercial providers like Gmail are now
so aggressive that false positives are VERY common on their systems,
this
On 8/31/2014 4:46 PM, Bob Proulx wrote:
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Reindl Harald wrote:
i think it's impossible to improve that much out-of-the-box because
that would make it to sensitive while the bayes has the ham side of
your communication too for decisions
Google does it. It's not
On 8/31/2014 7:55 AM, Axb wrote:
On 08/31/2014 04:08 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Out of the box the default decision point of 5 is too high anyway.
SA is the framework - you can tune to your need as much as you want.
I think the emphasis on avoiding false positives in the stock
Am 02.09.2014 um 09:57 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
On 8/31/2014 5:11 PM, LuKreme wrote:
On 31 Aug 2014, at 08:08 , Ted Mittelstaedtt...@ipinc.net wrote:
Google does it. It's not impossible.
[snip]
My experience is that the commercial providers like Gmail are now
so aggressive that false
On 8/31/2014 7:35 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 31.08.2014 um 16:08 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
On 8/31/2014 2:21 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 31.08.2014 um 02:15 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
Yes, it does work great when you have the bayes filter turned on and you take
the time to feed it. And
On 09/02/2014 11:06 AM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
masscheck runs against your spam and ham. But, masscheck does not know
if what your feeding it is actually ham or spam until you have gone
through your corpora and sorted it - moved the spam to the spam folder
and the ham to the ham folder
On 9/2/2014 2:16 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 02.09.2014 um 09:57 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
On 8/31/2014 5:11 PM, LuKreme wrote:
On 31 Aug 2014, at 08:08 , Ted Mittelstaedtt...@ipinc.net wrote:
Google does it. It's not impossible.
[snip]
My experience is that the commercial
On 09/02/2014 12:37 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
I'm just saying that out of box it should catch more spam and assume
people will tolerate a few FPs. Because that is what I am seeing people
demand in the real world. This insistence that if SA is responsible
for even ONE FP it's a disaster is a
Am 02.09.2014 um 12:15 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
On 8/31/2014 7:35 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 31.08.2014 um 16:08 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
On 8/31/2014 2:21 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 31.08.2014 um 02:15 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
Yes, it does work great when you have the bayes
On 9/2/2014 3:48 AM, Axb wrote:
On 09/02/2014 12:37 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
I'm just saying that out of box it should catch more spam and assume
people will tolerate a few FPs. Because that is what I am seeing people
demand in the real world. This insistence that if SA is responsible
for
Am 02.09.2014 um 12:37 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
On 9/2/2014 2:16 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
and here you prove again that it don't work really out-of-the-box
because if i have to look all day long in my spam folder because
a noticeable part of my legit mail lands there it *do not work*
Are
On 9/2/2014 3:54 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 02.09.2014 um 12:37 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
On 9/2/2014 2:16 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
and here you prove again that it don't work really out-of-the-box
because if i have to look all day long in my spam folder because
a noticeable part of my
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote on Sun, 31 Aug 2014 07:08:11 -0700:
Out of the box the default decision point of 5 is too high anyway.
No. You can always lower it yourself. With the result of more FPs. If you
or your users can live with that. Fine. Many can't.
I think the emphasis on avoiding false
On 9/2/2014 3:48 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 02.09.2014 um 12:15 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
On 8/31/2014 7:35 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 31.08.2014 um 16:08 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
On 8/31/2014 2:21 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 31.08.2014 um 02:15 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
Yes, it
Am 02.09.2014 um 13:43 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
as explained above:
* the users don't want to see clear spam at all
* in many countries *you must* reject before-queue
* frankly, where i live for drop a accepted messages
you can go up to 2 years *in jail*
This is really getting silly
Am 02.09.2014 um 13:54 schrieb Reindl Harald:
Am 02.09.2014 um 13:43 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
as explained above:
* the users don't want to see clear spam at all
* in many countries *you must* reject before-queue
* frankly, where i live for drop a accepted messages
you can go up to
From: Chris cpoll...@embarqmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 10:25 PM
To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: Pyzor errors after upgrade
System is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS I use fetchmail linked with procmail. Once
mail is tossed to my other
On Mon, 2014-09-01 at 21:17 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
System is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS I use fetchmail linked with procmail.
Permissions on the ~/.pyzor/servers files and directory is:
drwxr-x--- 2 chris chris 4096 Jul 17 09:28 .pyzor
-rw-r- 1
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
On Mon, 2014-09-01 at 21:17 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
System is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS I use fetchmail linked with procmail.
Permissions on the ~/.pyzor/servers files and directory is:
drwxr-x--- 2 chris chris 4096 Jul 17
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 07:20 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
On Mon, 2014-09-01 at 21:17 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
System is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS I use fetchmail linked with procmail.
Permissions on the ~/.pyzor/servers files
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 07:20 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
On Mon, 2014-09-01 at 21:17 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
System is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS I use fetchmail linked with procmail.
Permissions on the ~/.pyzor/servers files
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 07:20 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
On Mon, 2014-09-01 at 21:17 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
System is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS I use fetchmail linked with procmail.
Permissions on
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 10:30 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 07:20 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
On Mon, 2014-09-01 at 21:17 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
System is Ubuntu
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
ifplugin Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::Pyzor
pyzor_path /usr/local/bin/pyzor
pyzor_options --homedir /home/chris/.pyzor
endif
Would it be better if I changed the pyzor home dir
to /etc/mail/spamassassin and put the 'servers' file there?
In general that's a
On 02 Sep 2014, at 01:57 , Ted Mittelstaedt t...@ipinc.net wrote:
On 8/31/2014 5:11 PM, LuKreme wrote:
On 31 Aug 2014, at 08:08 , Ted Mittelstaedtt...@ipinc.net wrote:
Google does it. It's not impossible.
[snip]
My experience is that the commercial providers like Gmail are now
so
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 11:27 -0700, John Hardin wrote:
On Tue, 2 Sep 2014, Chris wrote:
ifplugin Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::Pyzor
pyzor_path /usr/local/bin/pyzor
pyzor_options --homedir /home/chris/.pyzor
endif
Would it be better if I changed the pyzor home dir
to
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
Plus Google can undeliver a message from your Inbox if you have not
read it yet. Say a spammer slowly sends sneaky spam to 10,000 people.
After the first dozen report the message as spam then the next 9988
have the message undelivered from their
Am 02.09.2014 um 22:24 schrieb Bob Proulx:
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
Plus Google can undeliver a message from your Inbox if you have not
read it yet. Say a spammer slowly sends sneaky spam to 10,000 people.
After the first dozen report the message as spam then the next 9988
On 9/2/2014 4:59 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 02.09.2014 um 13:54 schrieb Reindl Harald:
Am 02.09.2014 um 13:43 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
as explained above:
* the users don't want to see clear spam at all
* in many countries *you must* reject before-queue
* frankly, where i live for drop
On 9/2/2014 12:19 PM, LuKreme wrote:
On 02 Sep 2014, at 01:57 , Ted Mittelstaedtt...@ipinc.net wrote:
On 8/31/2014 5:11 PM, LuKreme wrote:
On 31 Aug 2014, at 08:08 , Ted Mittelstaedtt...@ipinc.net
wrote:
Google does it. It's not impossible.
[snip]
My experience is that the commercial
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 13:32:26 -0700
Ted Mittelstaedt t...@ipinc.net wrote:
The point of blocking on DNS or IP based blocking is to issue
that error 5xx because that is the ONLY thing that is going to
cause the spammer to delist.
You are an optimist, aren't you?
Because at that point they are
Am 02.09.2014 um 22:32 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
On 9/2/2014 4:59 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
just get a proper MTA, enable debug logging
and watch the commands / responses between
client and server due a message transmission
and to make it clear for you:
until after end of data itslef is
Am 02.09.2014 um 22:40 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt:
Yes, that is my experience when I setup test addresses on Gmail and
stick them into spammer unsubscribe links. Lots of spam starts showing
up and over 90% in the junk folder
Bruhaha and that is working out of the box?
your problem is that you
On 9/2/2014 1:45 PM, David F. Skoll wrote:
On Tue, 02 Sep 2014 13:32:26 -0700
Ted Mittelstaedtt...@ipinc.net wrote:
The point of blocking on DNS or IP based blocking is to issue
that error 5xx because that is the ONLY thing that is going to
cause the spammer to delist.
You are an
Reindl Harald wrote:
schrieb Bob Proulx:
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
Plus Google can undeliver a message from your Inbox if you have not
read it yet. Say a spammer slowly sends sneaky spam to 10,000 people.
After the first dozen report the message as spam then the next
Am 03.09.2014 um 00:39 schrieb Bob Proulx:
Reindl Harald wrote:
schrieb Bob Proulx:
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
Bob Proulx wrote:
Plus Google can undeliver a message from your Inbox if you have not
read it yet. Say a spammer slowly sends sneaky spam to 10,000 people.
After the first dozen
I am getting the following error repeated many times a second:
/usr/local/libexec/mysqld: Table './bayes/bayes_token' is marked as crashed and
should be repaired
--
My parents were unwilling to secure the necessary eagle's eggs and lion
semen
Am 03.09.2014 um 01:07 schrieb LuKreme:
I am getting the following error repeated many times a second:
/usr/local/libexec/mysqld: Table './bayes/bayes_token' is marked as crashed
and should be repaired
well, repair table bayes_token in MySQL
or use the following option in /etc/my.cnf to
On 9/2/2014 7:07 PM, LuKreme wrote:
I am getting the following error repeated many times a second:
/usr/local/libexec/mysqld: Table './bayes/bayes_token' is marked as crashed and
should be repaired
Shutdown spamassassin, shutdown mysql and look into myisamchk is my best
recommendation.
On 02 Sep 2014, at 17:16 , Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 03.09.2014 um 01:07 schrieb LuKreme:
I am getting the following error repeated many times a second:
/usr/local/libexec/mysqld: Table './bayes/bayes_token' is marked as crashed
and should be repaired
well, repair
Hi,
I have a spamassassin-3.4 system with the following bayes config:
required_hits 5.0
rbl_timeout 8
use_bayes 1
bayes_auto_learn 1
bayes_auto_learn_on_error 1
bayes_auto_learn_threshold_spam 9.0
bayes_expiry_max_db_size 950
bayes_auto_expire 0
However, spam with scores greater than 9.0
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 21:11 -0400, Alex wrote:
I have a spamassassin-3.4 system with the following bayes config:
required_hits 5.0
rbl_timeout 8
use_bayes 1
bayes_auto_learn 1
bayes_auto_learn_on_error 1
bayes_auto_learn_threshold_spam 9.0
bayes_expiry_max_db_size 950
On 02 Sep 2014, at 19:11 , Alex mysqlstud...@gmail.com wrote:
However, spam with scores greater than 9.0 aren't being autolearned:
I believe the score threshold is the base score WITHOUT bayes.
Try running the email through with a -D flag and see what you get.
(And that is only a partial
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 20:22 -0600, LuKreme wrote:
On 02 Sep 2014, at 19:11 , Alex mysqlstud...@gmail.com wrote:
However, spam with scores greater than 9.0 aren't being autolearned:
I believe the score threshold is the base score WITHOUT bayes.
Try running the email through with a -D
On 02 Sep 2014, at 20:50 , Karsten Bräckelmann guent...@rudersport.de wrote:
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 20:22 -0600, LuKreme wrote:
On 02 Sep 2014, at 19:11 , Alex mysqlstud...@gmail.com wrote:
However, spam with scores greater than 9.0 aren't being autolearned:
I believe the score threshold
On Mon, 2014-09-01 at 07:36 +0200, Luciano Rinetti wrote:
I need a rule that, when a message is sento to p...@example.com
and the Subject contains CV or Curriculum, scores the message with -9
Scoring the message with $number is impossible and not how SA works.
Triggering a rule with a negative
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 21:16 -0600, LuKreme wrote:
On 02 Sep 2014, at 20:50 , Karsten Bräckelmann guent...@rudersport.de wrote:
On Tue, 2014-09-02 at 20:22 -0600, LuKreme wrote:
I believe the score threshold is the base score WITHOUT bayes.
Try running the email through with a -D flag
Reindl Harald wrote:
schrieb Bob Proulx:
Being able to undeliver spam after it has been detected later and if
it is as yet unread is none of those bad things. This is a positive
anti-spam feature in the core feature set of an email provider.
honestly i would not want to get a message
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