It could just as well be that the resistive wires are what are bright and
the gaps between them are where it gets darker.
If this were the case, won't there be a double dark shadow cast on either
side of the wire with the bright wire in between.
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 1:54 AM, Eric Walker
Andrea Rossi reactor, 32 day run in independent lab in Switzerland, very
high excess heat, shifted Ni and Li isotopes, no nuclear radiations, huge
mystery, Giuseppe Levi team 53 page report -- flaws...:Rich Murray
2014.10.10
The dark wire is thinner than the bright shadows so I think that the wire
is casting the shadow.
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
It could just as well be that the resistive wires are what are bright and
the gaps between them are where it gets darker.
If
I read somewhere that 70% of all papers are not able to be replicated. Or
something crazy like that.
Tom Darden's reptuation is far more valuable than Levi's. It's pretty much
that simple. For Tom Darden to say something is real versus Levi are to
entirely different matters.
Also, Tom
his objection on triac can be ignored.
powermeter are designed for much more complex waveform than triphase triac.
they can manage polyphase synchronous rectifiers.
PCE830 analyse harmonics up to number 99, band with is many kHz...
moreover the testers brought other instruments, and had total and
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The dark wire is thinner than the bright shadows so I think that the wire
is casting the shadow.
Maybe. Do you have a closeup that you're looking at? The details in the
image I see in the writeup are hard to make out. The
See:
http://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2014/10/11
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote:
I read somewhere that 70% of all papers are not able to be replicated. Or
something crazy like that.
Where did you read that, and what sort of papers did it refer to? I believe
I have read that studies in sociology have poor replication rates.
Dear Friends,
It is equally important to know what is in the Report as what i is missing
from it, due to natural causes, as I try to show here:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/10/if-990-milligrams-of-ash-sample-could.html
The story will continue with a DIALOGUE.
Peter.
--
Dr. Peter
The guy is open minded. Helps people with alternative ideas. Let's see what
he has to say about the new report:
http://www.science20.com/a_quantum_diaries_survivor/cold_fusion_a_better_study_on_the_infamous_ecat-146700
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
wrote:
- The uniformity of the Ni ash concerns me, the burn mechanism somehow
converts all natural Ni isotopes (smaller and larger!! so fusion and
fission in evidence) to Ni62, but with miraculously no
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 8:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I may have missed the paragraph that stated the amount of material that was
taken from within the reactor as ash. Did they recover approximately the
same amount as was put in?
Approximately 1 gram of fuel was added at
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Sorry – but this reactor is made of alumina – which is a proton conductor.
Beta alumina is among the best proton conducting ceramics but you would
never use any form of alumina if you wanted to retain a supply of hydrogen
I don't find Levi to be credible! I'm enthusiastic too and want to
believe, but Levi was a very poor choice to be primary author on the paper.
A scientist with a credible track record would be better than Darden, but
Levi is not that scientist.
The CEO of Elforsk, even the Nasa scientist -
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com
wrote:
more magic involved? fusion + fission transmutations that release copious
neutrinos with no gammas, betas, neutrons or alphas?
Apart from a few suggestions here and there, the main reactions that have
been
Why would you say Levi knows what's in the cell? They specifically say
they don't know in the report.
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com
wrote:
I don't find Levi to be credible! I'm enthusiastic too and want to
believe, but Levi was a very poor choice
So its may be possible the main energy source is pepD and associated
reactions. This may also gives D for neutron striping reactions.
Torulf.
On Sat, 11 Oct 2014 08:42:26 -0700, Eric Walker wrote:
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
Sorry - but this
reactor is made of
The two pictures on page 25 of the 54 page report can be zoomed to a
high resolution by using the control key of your keyboard and the wheel on
your mouse if you are using a new windows computer running with high screen
resolution.
You can see the dark wires as clear as day.
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Next let’s say the bulb presented is frosted, and you are naïve and do not
know that it contains a hot filament - but I use the camera to focus on an
area of the bulb’s exterior, where from prior experience, I know that the
Jed:
The problem is the issue is NOT scientific. The issue is actually rather
simple at this point. Is a very juvenile fraud being perpetrated or not. The
latest test leaves little to talk about scientifically (notwithstanding the
issue associated with the alumina) making the issue of
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
You can see the dark wires as clear as day.
Yes. And now where does it say in the report that the team conducting the
trial determined that current was flowing through them?
Eric
Please read the paper. Levi says the tube is sintered.
Sintered alumina would have about 6% porosity. It will not contain hydrogen at
high or low temperature.
However, it is unclear as to whether the fuel was admitted already inside a
separate hermetically sealed ampoule.
If so, that
Andrea Rossi
October 9th, 2014 at 6:23 PM
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=861cpage=4#comment-1009096
Herb Gillis:
We are studying the analysis; while for Li we had theorized it and we
understand well the results, the results related to Ni are puzzling us.
I have an idea, but there is
From: Eric Walker
This is a helpful analogy. I was wondering why the emissivity of alumina was
an issue. I take it this sort of issue is resolved by coating the thing device
being measured in a black refractory coating.
Exactamundo. Any undergrad engineering student could see
Rossi insists that there was no video of the test:
THERE IS NO ANY VIDEO FOOTAGE REGARDING THE LUGANO TEST; IF SOME IS
AROUND, IT IS A FALSE PRODUCTION. THE CHARGE HAS BEEN PUT AND
EXTRACTED BY THE COMMETTEE
Fig 3 clearly shows a camera in the top-left, with a (temporary?)
cable strung from
Page 25:
The resistors appear to glow intensely in the parts lying outside the caps,
whereas inside the reactor body they seem to shade an underlying emission
of light. This may be explained if we consider that the main source of
energy inside the reactor body is actually the charge, and that it
If it has a COP 1 you might expect that, right
On Saturday, October 11, 2014, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Page 25:
The resistors appear to glow intensely in the parts lying outside the
caps, whereas inside the reactor body they seem to shade an underlying
emission of light. This
I looked into the diffusion of tritium from reactor pipes and discovered
that oxygen, carbon, moly, and silicon can slow hydrogen diffusion by 20
orders of magnitude. You might wonder why all of these elements were
present in the fuel load. Rossi is very cleaver.
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 11:42 AM,
Right...
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 12:31 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
If it has a COP 1 you might expect that, right
On Saturday, October 11, 2014, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Page 25:
The resistors appear to glow intensely in the parts lying outside the
caps,
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Page 25:
The resistors appear to glow intensely in the parts lying outside the
caps, whereas inside the reactor body they seem to shade an underlying
emission of light.
What this sentence says to me is that the team assumed
Ransom, I agree with you.
I have experienced Tom D's situation. It is no sense in supporting
something one even suspect is a fraud and it is even less sensible to try
to save a bad investment by support a fraud (it will eventually be seen
through).
The fact is they have proven COP larger than 1
When talking about the resistor heaters... Remember that Rossi repeats
that his E-Cat requires AC and can't run (directly) with DC. The
current on the three phases of electricity going in is different. But
it sounded like the phase and frequency going into the reactor matches
that from the mains.
Especially if they switch to a pulse mode where they are not really heating
directly anymore, the pulses are working like an induction stovetop where
the quickly changing magnetic fields are inducing arcs/currents in the
secret sauce
http://www.finecooking.com/videos/induction-cooktop-action.aspx
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:48 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Especially if they switch to a pulse mode where they are not really heating
directly anymore, the pulses are working like an induction stovetop where
the quickly changing magnetic fields are inducing arcs/currents in the
That is what I concluded as well when I reread the article carefully. The
small quantity tested would thus not represent a total sample in the analysis,
so there is no way to ensure that all of the input nickel was converted into
that single 62Ni isotope.
This fact leaves unanswered the
It basically means goat guys theory might be goat F'd...
On Saturday, October 11, 2014, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:48 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cheme...@gmail.com'); wrote:
Especially if they switch to a pulse
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:48 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Especially if they switch to a pulse mode where they are not really heating
directly anymore, the pulses are working like an induction stovetop
On page 6 there's a photo of the power and harmonic analyzer. I don't know
At 09:02 AM 10/11/2014, Axil Axil wrote:
The two pictures on page 25 of the 54 page report can be zoomed to a
high resolution by using the control key of your keyboard and the
wheel on your mouse if you are using a new windows computer running
with high screen resolution.
I zoomed and did
One thing is for sure-Rossi is still Rossi- and his shortcomings that
derive from being a genius mad scientist were painstakingly and lovingly
compiled in Lewan's book. I have reason to expect that his Industrial Heat
handlers will keep him more or less pointed in the right direction. It is
At 09:13 AM 10/11/2014, Axil Axil wrote:
We give Rossi too much credit in our assessment of his control and
understanding of his reactor. He is just feeling his way along like
the rest of us.
I'm sure that by now he can do mass spectrometry of his ashes any
time he wants, so he should have
To me, the width/continuity of the dark lines seems much more consistent
then the light colored areas so I would say the dark areas are wires
On Saturday, October 11, 2014, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
At 09:02 AM 10/11/2014, Axil Axil wrote:
The two pictures on page 25 of the 54 page
Is anyone else getting these verisoft messages when you post? Since
I don't email to ONU directly, I presume it's the vortex mail server
sending a copy to ONU., and I get the message because it's recorded
as from: me.
I suppose I could blacklist verisoft
MDaemon Delivery Status
Yes- I keep putting them in the spam file but the filter does not block
verisoft, for whatever reason.
-Original Message-
From: Alan Fletcher Subject:
Is anyone else getting these verisoft messages when you post? Since
I don't email to ONU directly, I presume it's the vortex mail
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
At 09:13 AM 10/11/2014, Axil Axil wrote:
We give Rossi too much credit in our assessment of his control and
understanding of his reactor. He is just feeling his way along like the
rest of us.
I'm sure that by now he can do mass spectrometry of his ashes
Bill B. needs to manually remove this person from the list. Apparently
there is something wrong with the address, or it is defunct.
- Jed
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Is anyone else getting these verisoft messages when you post? Since I
don't email to
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Fig 3 clearly shows a camera in the top-left, with a (temporary?) cable
strung from it, aimed directly at the ecat.
The figure 3 caption says those are IR cameras. Background: reactor, the
two thermal imagery cameras. They recorded with two IR cameras the
I got them last time I posted.
Ron
--On Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:39 AM -0700 Alan Fletcher
a...@well.com wrote:
Is anyone else getting these verisoft messages when you post? Since I
don't email to ONU directly, I presume it's the vortex mail server
sending a copy to ONU., and I get the
Air poisoning of the reaction has been an iron clad rule in Ni/H technology
from its beginning. Now Rossi has overcome this poisoning no no.
One way that this might happen is that the reaction no longer occurs in the
gas phase where the nitrogen in the air and hydrogen can mix. The hydrogen
This is something I've wondered about with the E-Cat. Has anyone ever seen
Rossi vacuum the air out of a chamber before adding hydrogen? I can't
recall a single instance--suggesting he leaves the air in. It's an
interesting conjecture that the air may actually serve a purpose of putting
the
Another advantage that this conjecture might imply is that the nickel
particles will suffer far less isotopic transmutation damage from the
gaseous hydrogen if the particles were poisons by air.
Is Rossi this clever or are we overestimating his genius?
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Jack Cole
Hydrogen movement is a old trick in nuclear reactors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen-moderated_self-regulating_nuclear_power_module
As the temperature goes up, the hydrogen goes away from the site of the
reaction. The question for us is how Rossi has engineer passive
temperature based
Maybe Lorentz forces from oscillating magnetic field keeps everything
stirred up
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force
On Saturday, October 11, 2014, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Hydrogen movement is a old trick in nuclear reactors
We should be careful as contamination, mixing, enrichment, mays trouble the
result... it is not a total analysis but a relative composition.
one possibility is that Li6 is not caused by fission/spallation, but by
fusion
or fusion/decay
why not t+e+t - li6+2e
or like iwamura 6 deuteron
https://plus.google.com/105473622219622697310/posts/P9TFSD2CPDr
Jennifer Ouellette
Shared publicly - 8:05 AM
Oh dear god, Rossi is still pedaling his E-Cat 'cold fusion' device
It would be like if I asked you to believe that by putting a dollar bill in a
special laundry machine and
Also one could interpret Rossi's remarks as confidence that there is no
*leaked* video of the test around. He couldn't know for sure what was
happening during the test, whether someone took some video on their phone.
On 12/10/2014 4:57 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan Fletcher
At 10:57 AM 10/11/2014, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Alan Fletcher
a...@well.com wrote:
Â
Fig 3 clearly shows a camera in the top-left, with a (temporary?)
cable strung from it, aimed directly at the ecat.
The figure 3 caption says those are IR cameras. Background:
reactor, the
two thermal imagery
David,
I strongly disagree with the conclusions you have expressed regarding the
ash sample isotope fraction.
First, as I explain in this (rather-long-winded) mail from yesterday, the
ENTIRE ASH SAMPLE BULK was analyzed by ICP-MS as consisting of 99.3%
enriched Ni-62.
( see:
people should separate the idea that the test was screwed up, debunked,
from the fact that all skeptic claims it is screwed up and debunked...
for now, with the parenthesis of alumina closed (low transmitance at IR cam
wavelength) the test is solid.
note also that the skeptic carefull avoid the
the key argument is that we don't have a theory on how it works, and we
have no idea if Ni62 is active, an ash, or anything...
heat is produced, and this man have to learn calorimetry like Huizenga,
Parks,
and most nuclear physicist who imagine that they are the center of the
world, and disdain
I think you all made the job (respect to Jed BTW, as usual)
1- the window of transparency can be real for some alumina materials, but
not in the wavelength that the IRcam use (7um)
2- if the IRcam was troubled by the white light, the bright zone would be
much hotter for the IR cam. the IRcam
On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 3:14 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
29Si+58Ni = 59Ni + 28Si + 0.526 MeV
29Si+59Ni = 60Ni + 28Si + 2.914 MeV
Regarding this and the emails that follow -- very interesting. It seems
that there's a whole slew of possible neutron stripping reactions
available, with
Quote:
Working group will answer questions!
The authors of the long term test-report of the hot-cat had offered us the
possibility to ask them a bunch of questions. Our idea is that YOU can post
your question to the authors of the report here in this thread.
At the end we will together select
In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:17:07 -0300:
Hi,
[snip]
The guy is open minded. Helps people with alternative ideas. Let's see what
he has to say about the new report:
Nice shades.
Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
svjart.orionworks.com
zazzle.com/orionworks
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 4:24 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
wrote:
no stage magic possible on that.
If it is stage magic, Rossi deserves the Nobel Price in magic.
Eric
http://lenr.qumbu.com/web_hotcat2_pics/141011_ragone_20.png
Please double-check my figures and position.
If you want to use it on a website email me and I'll send you a custom version.
(lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- and the
defkalion hyperion -- Hi, google!)
Robert,
Whether you know it or not, you may have put another nail in
coffin of any faint hope that this report is valid, and not a fraud. What's
more, in answer to Ransom, it could be a deliberate fraud.
Let me put it this way, if
The surface analysis of ash residue using ToF-SIMS showed 98.7% Ni-62
enrichment, while the bulk ash contents were found to have 99.3% enriched
Ni-62. Similarly, the surface-layer enrichment of Li-6 is 92.1%, while the
bulk contains 57.5% Li-6.
If these figures are accurate, then there exists
Jones,
I can only give you the assurances that I received from the report itself.
All of the claims I am making are coming from there. Pages 28 and 53
describe the ICP methods as involving the entire sample mass.
I do not believe this is indicative of fraud. I believe this indicates a
cyclic
Ok - I can buy the cyclic reaction, but how do you explain the great
preponderance of Li-6 in the ash, compared to all other isotopes? That does
not indicate a cycle so much as a major shift... and where are the
intermediaries in the nearly pure sample - which would indicate one neutron
at a time?
Recall that the bulk results show 57% Li-6 enrichment, vs. 92% surface
enrichment. I believe the higher fraction of Li-6 on the surface is the
result of starvation of the reaction cycle resulting in an excess of Li-6 as
compared to the steady-state balance during operation, which is reflected in
In reply to Robert Ellefson's message of Sat, 11 Oct 2014 13:24:55 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
While this still only represents a small sample of the complete reactor ash,
I have a difficult time believing that a substantial fractionation of nickel
isotopes occurred. I suspect that most of the other fuel
Bob,
This makes sense to me, thanks - but an important question still remains.
Why is the Ni62 nearly pure? The reaction was stopped for reasons which were
pre-planned, and not related to a depletion of reactants. They made this
clear.
Do you agree that the tested sample in question - should
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Why is the Ni62 nearly pure? The reaction was stopped for reasons which were
pre-planned, and not related to a depletion of reactants. They made this
clear.
There was an earlier thread about the possibility of burn-in,
Page 42:
Thus, as expected from the EDS analysis the appearance of the ToF-SIMS
spectra will differ depending on particle analyzed.
A test was done on one particle. It is possible that one particular
particle (page 53...sample 1 ash) - could have been in a certain position
that just so happened
In reply to Robert Ellefson's message of Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:16:02 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
I am struck by the coincidence of
62+7=69 here, and wonder if this peak could indicate a reaction product,
intermediate or final, of Li-7 and Ni-62.
Thanks for any comments folks would care to offer.
If
Page 28:
It should be stressed, that the quantities of most elements differ
substantially depending on which granule is analyzed. In addition to these
elements there are small quantities of several other elements, but these
can probably be considered as impurities.
I believe the agenda of the
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
...and besides there is the little matter of all that excess energy.
All that excess?
In fact, here is nothing that can be called scientifically proved excess
energy at all... this is because the experiment is fatally flawed in using a
IR
Alan,
The yellow strip (the bigger of the two) just to the left of orange Methanol
strip. Is that for H2-ICE? You don't have an arrow pointing H2 ICE towards
the yellow strip. You appear to have arrows pointing to everything else. I
think it would be a good idea to put an arrow there as well,
My opinion is that it makes perfect sense for Rossi to be involved at these
points. He does still want to protect IH's IP. For him not to be there,
he may have had to disclose things to the researchers he would have
preferred not to. Additionally, he knows how it all works, and it would be
That's outstanding!
- Jed
Alan,
I just noticed on page 26 that the arrow is missing on the original plate as
well. Sorry if I sounded like it was something you personally forgot to put
in the updated chart.
I wonder... would it be inappropriate to put the missing arrow in there
anyway?
Being a graphic artist myself,
I'd like them to address Goat Guy's contentions but I don't understand them
well enough to summarize. They should invite Goat Guy to send them his
questions.
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Quote:
Working group will answer questions!
The authors of
I
f I read the information correctly reactor is only transparent to
I.R. below a wavelength of about 5 microns ( almost 0% transmissive
at wavelengths longer than 5 microns) and they used I.R. cameras that
were sensitive in the range of 7.5 microns and 13 microns. Therefor
the cameras
Would you find a nuclear PhD scientist who was a member of the Skeptics
Society to be credible? How about a Nuke expert who investigated the
e-cat because it is his duty as a scientist. He also wanted to protect the
University of Bologna’s reputation from a possible fraud. Would such a
person
From Jack
My opinion is that it makes perfect sense for Rossi to be involved at these
points.
I'm pretty much in the same ball camp. I don't have a serious problem with it.
I could care less what debunkers have to say about the matter. If Rossi turns
out to be a scam artist the
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 9:48 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
Especially if they switch to a pulse mode where they are not really
heating directly anymore, the pulses are working like an induction stovetop
I can see it now ...and infrared picture of Rossi on the cover of TIME. lol
Harry
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:
Fig 3 clearly shows a camera in the top-left, with a (temporary?) cable
strung from it, aimed
Can this be used to challenge Pomp's claim that the ash was faked by
commercially available enriched isotopes?
Most people on this list seem to be very good about raising technical
objections to criticisms of the calorimetry, but they counter Pomp's claim
with non-technical arguments about how it
Harry and Jones,
I do not believe that the discovery of highly-enriched isotopes is the result
of fraud. I think that the variable fractions of isotopes between the surface
and the bulk of the ash indicates that isotopic enrichment was occurring
in-situ. The apparent fact (if true) that
Thanks!
Harry
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Robert Ellefson vortex-h...@e2ke.com
wrote:
Harry and Jones,
I do not believe that the discovery of highly-enriched isotopes is the
result of fraud. I think that the variable fractions of isotopes between
the surface and the bulk of the
Page 28:
*The ash has a different texture than the powder-like fuel by having grains
of different sizes, probably developed from the heat. The grains differ in
element composition, and we would certainly have liked to analyze several
more grains with SIMS, but the limited amount of ash being
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