Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

2013-05-30 Thread Alain Sepeda
I found that Nelson report reporting KCO3 usage by DGT http://ecatnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Summary-of-Visit-to-Defkalion.pdf Key point claimed by DGT, like did ENEA at ICCF15 is that NAE are linked to crystallography structure. ENEA talk of 100 vs 101 (seems to be cutting plan family,

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

2013-05-30 Thread Alain Sepeda
I support that ideas. As you decide anyway. 2013/5/29 Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Perhaps you can invite him back after a bit? Also maybe Abd? I miss him. I miss Abd too. I wish he would not post walls of

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat CB radio RF generation

2013-05-30 Thread Arnaud Kodeck
If CB signal controls the eCat (which I doubt) then the problems of overheating, positive feedback will be solved easily. This is not the case. Otherwise a CB radio amateur could solve the eCat control issue if it was so easy and COP infinite. If EM enhances the reaction rate, then it should

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread ChemE Stewart
Right, the brethren has so far brought us fission reactors, nuclear bombs and hot fu$ion, crowning achievements for our children Stewart On Thursday, May 30, 2013, Eric Walker wrote: On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml',

[Vo]:Removing nickel oxide layer

2013-05-30 Thread Teslaalset
Just buying nickel micro powder, I assume this comes slightly oxidized. How would that be removed as a first step in preparing nickel powder for LENR experiments? Just heat in in a hydrogen environment at temperatures of a few hundred degrees C?

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

2013-05-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
I support him back. He is a a man of peace and understanding abd was defending the religion of his and his friends. 2013/5/30 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dear Bill, Please bring Abd back! He knows a lot LENR and his unique error was answering to a nasty troll. Peter On Thu, May

Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! ....

2013-05-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:11 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: The theories of hot fusion were built up from research on plasmas and they do work well when dealing with plasmas, but LENR is NOT occurring in a plasma. Are you sure? Maybe not a plasma; but, possibly close. DGT

Re: [Vo]:Removing nickel oxide layer

2013-05-30 Thread Bob Higgins
Nickel oxide is removed pretty easily in H2 at about 310C. Once it is removed, you will see the sintering begin at the same temperature. The clean Ni surfaces begin to bond and the particles begin to grow. That is why, in part you must add the catalyst powder - to prevent the wholesale

Re: [Vo]:GE hits milestone with laser enrichment of uranium

2013-05-30 Thread Leonard Arbuthnot
Yes - not a new idea. I remember some of my former colleagues working on this in the 1980s in Harwell (UK). It was supposed to be a hush-hush project - but then one day in '88 (I think) they turned up on TV talking all about it! (on BBC's Tomorrow's World). Hmm. So 25 years later it might

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

2013-05-30 Thread John Berry
Abd seemed reasonable and respectable. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 11:12 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: I support him back. He is a a man of peace and understanding abd was defending the religion of his and his friends. 2013/5/30 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com Dear Bill,

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

2013-05-30 Thread Bob Higgins
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:19 PM Eric Walker wrote: ** - We are told that the central reactor core is a 310 stainless steel cylinder ( 3cm by 33cm). There is no port for introduction of H2. The ends are cold welded closed. The ends were cone-shaped AISI 316 steel caps that

Re: [Vo]:Removing nickel oxide layer

2013-05-30 Thread Teslaalset
That confirms it indeed, I wasn't aware Ni powder already sinters at around 300C. Good to know. I wonder whether silica would do the job to prevent sintering of Ni (powder or layered on top) Recently I read Celani's patent application WO2011016014, where nickel powder is oxidized and then a silica

Re: [Vo]:Removing nickel oxide layer

2013-05-30 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Teslaalse, If you have the glove box I would recommend doing all prep in an inert cover like helium. It is a pet theory but I am positing that ambient gases limit the milling or chemical activation of metal powders by reacting with the geometry formation to dissipate the casimir force...

Re: [Vo]:Removing nickel oxide layer

2013-05-30 Thread Teslaalset
A glovebox filled with inert gas would help, I agree, but most of the Ni Powder is shipped in non cealed jars or even envelopes so they are already oxidized at arrival. I also read that CO gas would help removing Ni oxide, perhaps at lower temperatures. CO gas is tricky stuff though. Maybe heating

Re: [Vo]:Removing nickel oxide layer

2013-05-30 Thread torulf.greek
Be careful, Ni powder is Dangerous Then Inhaled: On Thu, 30 May 2013 11:54:41 +0200, Teslaalset wrote: Just buying nickel micro powder, I assume this comes slightly oxidized. How would that be removed as a first step in preparing nickel powder for LENR experiments? Just heat in in a

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:51 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Right, the brethren has so far brought us fission reactors, nuclear bombs and hot fu$ion, crowning achievements for our children I should clarify that I was trying to reproduce the inevitable and circular logic that some

[Vo]:Watson, here

2013-05-30 Thread Jones Beene
This must have been what Hoyt was talking about http://www.technologyreview.com/news/515296/trained-on-jeopardy-watson-is-he aded-for-your-pocket/?utm_campaign=newslettersutm_source=newsletter-weekly- computingutm_medium=emailutm_content=20130530 attachment: winmail.dat

[Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is the latest column from Gibbs: http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/05/30/rossis-a-fraud-no-hes-not-yes-he-is-no-he-isnt/ This is pretty good, but it includes a profound misunderstanding of the scientific method. Gibbs quoted someone and wrote: Cold fusion has no definitive theory

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Berke Durak
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: That is completely wrong. In experimental science you never need to explain how something works in order to confirm it is real. You just need to replicate it and show there is no error in the instruments or techniques.

RE: [Vo]:Removing nickel oxide layer

2013-05-30 Thread DJ Cravens
yes, be very careful. I (and at least two others I know have had health issues resulting from nano nickel (pulmonary hypertension in my case, numbness, BP problems...). The micron and are not too bad but the nano is HAZARDOUS. Use a glove box, hood or something similar. I started with a

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread James Bowery
In a tragically amusing, black-humor, sort of way, the exact inverse problem appears now to be going on in the neurophysiology of cognition: Robert Hecht-Nielsen -- one of those responsible for resurrecting the field of artificial neural networks two decades after it was deep-sixed by MIT in the

Re: [Vo]:Watson, here

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here's the thing about Watson: this is a production model computer. It is not just a one-time tour de force computer that beats the world chess champion or wins at Jeopardy. I do not know if the prototype model that won at Jeopardy is what IBM will sell, but it is clear they intend to start

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread ChemE Stewart
Cool, this phenom obviously requires a lot of heads from different disciplines to figure it out since it does not appear to follow the straight and narrow from what I see. On Thursday, May 30, 2013, Eric Walker wrote: On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:51 AM, ChemE Stewart

RE: [Vo]:Watson, here

2013-05-30 Thread Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.
Two more questions to ask Watson: 1. What is Rossi's catalyst? 2. Is it warmer in the city or in the summer :-) . From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 7:29 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Watson, here Here's the thing

[Vo]:Recalescence ECat

2013-05-30 Thread Jones Beene
“Recalescence” is very important in understanding the Rossi effect, so I have removed typos and added to a previous posting - in order to have this post indexed in the archive. From: a former

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Removing nickel oxide layer

2013-05-30 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Teslaalse, I worry that the sintering is a result of oxidizing and cleaning it that way would destroy the geometry you are trying to retain, I would think there should be a chemical way to deoxygenate your powder in the glove and then let it dry in the inert atmosphere. A small

Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...

2013-05-30 Thread Edmund Storms
Harry, imagine balls held in line by springs. If the end ball is pull away with a force and let go, a resonance wave will pass down the line. Each ball will alternately move away and then toward its neighbor. If outside energy is supplied, this resonance will continue. If not, it will damp

[Vo]:Pre-loaded hydrogen fuel advancing technology

2013-05-30 Thread Ruby
It is amazing that even though the science is still a mystery, there are increasing levels of engineering advancements building the technology. Wish I had time to study more http://coldfusionnow.org/pre-loaded-hydrogen-fuel-an-engineering-answer-for-efficiency-ease-and-safety/ -- Ruby

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Ruby
I wrote that quote... Cold fusion has no definitive theory – as yet, but the experimental evidence is overwhelming: anomalous heat and transmutations can occur within metallic-hydrides systems contained in small cells that sit on a table-top

RE: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Ruby: I don't think Jed was criticizing your statement, Cold fusion has no definitive theory - as yet, but the experimental evidence is overwhelming: anomalous heat and transmutations can occur within metallic-hydrides systems contained in small cells that sit on a table-top it was

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Joseph S. Barrera III
On 5/30/2013 8:27 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: it was Gibbs’ statement after it which was: “Unfortunately that’s not a sound argument…” Gibbs did not write that. Jed did. - Joe

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Joseph S. Barrera III
On 5/30/2013 9:00 AM, Barrera, Joseph wrote: On 5/30/2013 8:27 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: it was Gibbs’ statement after it which was: “Unfortunately that’s not a sound argument…” Gibbs did not write that. Jed did. - Joe Sorry, never mind, I was looking at the wrong article. - Joe

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 5:27:51 AM The ends were cone-shaped AISI 316 steel caps that were hot-hammered into the ends. I don't think they were welded. This hot-hammering of the cone-shaped insert is a description of a type of cold welding.

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

2013-05-30 Thread Edmund Storms
Yes Eric I can, but only in terms of my theory. As you know, I believe small gaps are required that are created by stress relief. So, what would Rossi have to react Ni with to create stress in the surface? The reaction would have to result in a compound having a high melting point, low

[Vo]:new publication

2013-05-30 Thread Peter Gluck
Dear Friends, Endless discussions re the Professors Hot Cat Report; I repeat it shows real excess heat. I wanted just to add a few ideas and a prediction for which I am responsible and accountable, see: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2013/05/lenr-frontline-report-undecided-battle.html Very truly

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:19 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote: The monitoring of the input was comically inadequate, if there is any possibility of deception, the blank run used a different power regimen,

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Rob Dingemans manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, You probably know the famous saying First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. It seems we are currently in the second stage and my instinct tells me we might soon be

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote: That's not the opinion of the majority of observers of the case. Deception on this scale -- frauds and scams -- are utterly common. Scientific

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: The engineers at Elforsk disagree with Cude. They do not think this was a farce. They know much more about measuring energy and electricity than he does, so I suppose they are correct and he is wrong. It doesn't

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote: First, the fact that this *source* of energy thousands of times more dense than chemical has to be plugged in (to a high power line, no less) will

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: First, the fact that this *source* of energy thousands of times more dense than chemical has to be plugged in (to a high power line, no less) will turn most observers away.

Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Goldwater
There seems to be some convergence between Ed's theory and Hagelstein's proposal of lossy resonance as a way to get energy out of the fused nuclei in smaller quanta. Hagelstein also has a significant patent for a phonon laser (US7411445) that may have some relevance to hydroton behavior. A

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: ** ** *From:* Joshua Cude ** ** First, the fact that this *source* of energy thousands of times more dense than chemical has to be plugged in (to a high power line, no less) will turn most observers away.

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Ruby
Yes, thank you Mark. I agree with Jed. Mark Gibbs is wrong in his reasoning It should be clear that there are experimental results that have no confirmed model to explain them. This is the history of revolutionary science, which Gibbs should be aware of. On 5/30/13 8:27 AM,

Re: [Vo]:Ekstrom critique of Levi et al.

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.comwrote: But when they use 3-phase, when single would do, when the wiring is in place ahead of time, when close associates chose the instruments which

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Ruby
Mark Gibbs writes: You completely miss my point ... Ruby's argument dimisses Ethan's argument by simply saying you're wrong and citing experimental evidence that isn't accepted outside of the LENR community. You're right, experiment trumps theory but only when you have an experiment that can

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: In fact I said the 3-phase input to the box was particularly unnecessary *because* only single-phase was used for the box. There are legitimate reasons to prefer 3-phase input. If the output of the control box is a

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:02 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Eric/JC: I've read the report twice fully, and a few other times only to verify a specific statement. I still did not catch the significance that it was the output of the control box that was changed from 3ph to

Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...

2013-05-30 Thread Edmund Storms
No Alan, no relationship exist between my model and the one proposed by Peter. You need to read the two ideas more carefully. I wish a relationship existed, but sadly it does not. The cluster Peter proposes to form does not occur in the same place in the material as the Hydroton, it does

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread James Bowery
As Norman Ramsey pointed out in his preamble to the DoE's original review of cold fusion: However, even a *single* short but valid cold fusion period would be revolutionary. We are so far beyond that benchmark as to render Mark's criterion absurd. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Ruby

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Randy wuller
Joshua: You make that point all the time. It is one of your favorites, but it is really unsupported speculation and not worth considering. First, telling us how the majority of observers feel about the report is clearly beyond your knowledge. As Eric suggested making those claims without

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:12:17 AM And didn't the engineers at the Swedish Standards Institute test this configuration without success. Have those engineers given an opinion on the latest test? They know more than me too. They terminated the

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:13:43 AM I have not seen perfectly good reasons for it. The reasons given that you need input heat to control the heat seem like an excuse to keep the power connected to me. Is there another example of a reaction

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:38:17 AM The 3-phase looks more like obfuscation to me. Gee .. I'd better take my Electric clothes dryer in for de-obfuscating. And there I was thinking it was trapped lint. You want lots of power, you go straight to

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Edmund Storms
Mark, why don't you ask and quote some who actually understand cold fusion, like myself? I realize you consider me a believer. However, have you considered why I have this belief? It is not based on my imagination or on a pathology. It is based on the fact that I have read and studied all

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Randy wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote: ** Joshua: First, telling us how the majority of observers feel about the report is clearly beyond your knowledge. As Eric suggested making those claims without proof (poll, census, etc.) is not only unscientific it

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:12:17 AM And didn't the engineers at the Swedish Standards Institute test this configuration without success. Have those engineers given an

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread James Bowery
I should probably point out that Norman Ramsey had to threaten to resign as co-chair from the DoE panel if they did not include that in the preamble. Clearly Ramsey saw what Charles P. Beaudette has has documented in Excess Heat: The 5 week rush to judgement after the March 1989 press conference

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:06 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: A device with a COP of 3 is not better than a heat pump. That's for MARCH, which was intentionally run at lower power, choosing stability over COP. Right. Three months of technical improvements gave a worse COP. The

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, On 30-5-2013 20:15, Alan Fletcher wrote: From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:38:17 AM The 3-phase looks more like obfuscation to me. You want lots of power, you go straight to three-phase. This is a test rig he's using, so of course it's

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Gibbs responded to my comment, and I responded back, as follows: MG: You completely miss my point … Ruby’s argument dimisses Ethan’s argument by simply saying “you’re wrong” and citing experimental evidence that isn’t accepted outside of the LENR community. You’re right, experiment trumps theory

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Randy wuller
Cude: You seem to be morphing into troll mode. Reasonable discussions with you are apparently at an end. Ransom - Original Message - From: Joshua Cude To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:38:17 AM The 3-phase looks more like obfuscation to me. Gee .. I'd better take my Electric clothes dryer in for de-obfuscating. And there I was

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Mark, why don't you ask and quote some who actually understand cold fusion, like myself? Well, Ed, at least he quoted Elforsk. That's progress! The people Elforsk do not understand cold fusion but they do understand electricity, IR cameras, and the

[Vo]:Re: Entangled proton pairs show enhanced tunneling

2013-05-30 Thread Axil Axil
If you remember this thread as follows: * * Entangled proton pairs show enhanced tunneling – 1/31/12 Why do entangled proton pairs pass through the coulomb barrier of a heavy element nucleus with high probability in collisions with energies well below those required to breach this barrier?

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:44:00 AM You want lots of power, you go straight to three-phase. Right, but I thought the ecat was supposed to provide the lots of power. Of THERMAL power, yes, not of ELECTRICAL power. They *changed* the power

[Vo]:Comment by Anderson at Forbes

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is a comment at Forbes from someone who sounds like he should be working on cold fusion with the rest of the superannuated geezers. Let's see if we can find him. - Jed DONALD ANDERSON I’m a Professor Ameritus in Electrical Engineering, Ph.D. was in developing long-lived vacuum tubes with

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Joshua Cude
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 11:44:00 AM You want lots of power, you go straight to three-phase. Right, but I thought the ecat was supposed to provide the lots of power. Of

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 12:16:19 PM The paper says they *replaced* the triac with a control box. OK -- in fig 6 (Dec) they show a blue-and-yellow CONTROL box and three triacs. They don't have a picture for March, so we don't know if it includes

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: The 3-phase looks more like obfuscation to me. Gee .. I'd better take my Electric clothes dryer in for de-obfuscating. And there I was thinking it was trapped lint. That's hilarious! You want lots of power, you go straight to three-phase. This is a

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Harry Veeder
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not talking about initiating. I'm talking about sustaining. I have no problem using electricity to initiate the ecat. But if it's a source of energy, it should behave like one and be able to at least power itself.

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

2013-05-30 Thread William Beaty
On Wed, 29 May 2013, Jed Rothwell wrote: Whoa! That seems precipitous. He did not seem so bad to me. It was temporary, but may be permanent. Crackpot or no, if someone simply cannot lower themselves to obeying the one basic rule here, and absolutely will not apologize or even admit to

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: Whoa! That seems precipitous. He did not seem so bad to me. It was temporary, but may be permanent. Well, it isn't for me to tell you how to run things but . . . I hope you issue a polite warning before you ban someone. As you said, perhaps he did not

[Vo]:Rossi QA on his blog

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
New Q A Between Nextme.it and Andrea Rossi http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/05/new-q-a-between-nextme-it-and-andrea-rossi/comment-page-1/ Below is a Q A from the Journal of Nuclear Physics. The questions were submitted by Roberta De Carolis from the Italian web site NextMe.it and answered by

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com mailto:joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: A match is needed to ignite a firecracker, but once ignited, the explosion sustains itself. A match is needed to start a campfire, but not to sustain it. Cold fusion is not fire. It does not work the same

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread David Roberson
There seems to be a serious hangup over why a heat generating device needs some form of heating input to sustain itself. The skeptics can not seem to get their arms around this issue so I will make another short attempt to explain why this is important. To achieve a high value of COP the

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: . . . If you unplug a Rossi cell and try to make it self-sustain without input, it will melt. An analogy to fire may be useful to understanding, but you cannot engineer a reactor based on analogies. If we are going to do analogies, a more useful one would be to compare the Rossi

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Edmund Storms
Cold fusion seems to bring out the crazies. They do not think rationally and they do not understand basic science, yet they are sure they are right. I'm glad you are trying to keep them close to reality. Your patience is amazing. Ed Storms On May 30, 2013, at 12:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Ekstrom critique of Levi et al.

2013-05-30 Thread David Roberson
I thought that the DC issue was put to rest. It can be easily shown that there is not amount of diode trickery which can be put into the control box that will confuse the primary power measurement. DC input has been eliminated so that is not an issue due to direct observation by one or more

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Harry Veeder
As dave explains it makes sense if the energy input provides cooling power. Harry On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: . . . If you unplug a Rossi cell and try to make it self-sustain without input, it will melt. An analogy to fire may be

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread David Roberson
There are advantages to using a three phase power input that have been pointed out. Measurements of 3 phase systems are done every day so this is not important. If Cude can show a real test that proves 3 phase measurements are not accurate, then someone will listen. Until that time, he can

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Edmund Storms
I agree Dave, I have been providing this explanation for several years without any effect. I'm glad you are adding your voice. The critical point at which the temperature must be reduced depends on the degree of thermal contact between the source of energy (the Ni powder) and the sink (The

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread David Roberson
Josh, what is common sense now becomes ancient history when the newest theories come out. How do you think men learned to fly heavier than air crafts when it was common sense that this was not possible. It took a couple of open minded and brilliant engineers to do what could not be done by

Re: [Vo]:Comment by Anderson at Forbes

2013-05-30 Thread James Bowery
By Tomorrow one presumes he means tomorrow in the literary sense. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Here is a comment at Forbes from someone who sounds like he should be working on cold fusion with the rest of the superannuated geezers. Let's see if

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Harry Veeder
The COP will be higher outside on a wintery windy night. Harry On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: I agree Dave, I have been providing this explanation for several years without any effect. I'm glad you are adding your voice. The critical point at

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Alain Sepeda
thanks for the reminding. I should not have read AE van Vogt books when teenager... I would be mainstream and happy. 2013/5/30 Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: That is completely wrong. In experimental science you

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Josh, what is common sense now becomes ancient history when the newest theories come out. . . . You need to realize that all knowledge does not reside within your understanding. All of us should be open to learning new concepts and it is about

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

2013-05-30 Thread David Roberson
If someone is looking for an analogy they could look at the behavior of a power transistor mounted on a heat sink. For this exercise assume that the collector is directly connected to a power source. Apply enough base drive to obtain a relatively large collector current. If you adjust the

Re: [Vo]:Gibbs: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't!

2013-05-30 Thread Alan Fletcher
From: Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 2:07:34 PM thanks for the reminding. I should not have read AE van Vogt books when teenager... I would be mainstream and happy. Or Jack Vance, who just died aged 96 :

[Vo]:some more information about the december 2012 Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Claudio C Fiorini
According to an article in the swiss journal NET Journal that has been published earlier in february 2013, a group of business partners of Andrea Rossi visited his new laboratory in Ferrara the day 14 of december 2012. The group saw the ongoing experiment and could take some pictures. The pictures

Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! ....

2013-05-30 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 30 May 2013 07:38:13 -0400: Hi, [snip] Are you sure? Maybe not a plasma; but, possibly close. DGT speculates that highly energized hydrogen has the electron in a extreme elliptical orbit and, when at its apogee, the nucleus is exposed for a brief

[Vo]:“The Lithium Problem”

2013-05-30 Thread Axil Axil
Big-bang nucleosynthesis (BBN) theory, together with the precise WMAP cosmic baryon density, makes tight predictions for the abundances of the lightest elements. Deuterium and 4He measurements agree well with expectations, but 7Li observations lie a factor 3 - 4 below the BBN+WMAP prediction.

Re: [Vo]:some more information about the december 2012 Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Claudio C Fiorini claudio.c.fior...@gmail.com wrote: In the Levi report, the test started 13 of december and ended 17 of december. This is compatible with this article. Maybe, it was decided later to continue the test after december 15. This confirms (by the published picture), that during

Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! ....

2013-05-30 Thread Axil Axil
To my best understanding, in energetic hydrogen the electron orbits move further away from the nucleus, not closer. * * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sommerfeld_ellipses.svg Quantum mechanically a state with abnormally high *n* refers to an atom in which the valence electron(s) have been

Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! ....

2013-05-30 Thread Daniel Rocha
This is not a quantum mechanical model. The actual wavefunction for anjy n, l=0 is spherical. 2013/5/30 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To my best understanding, in energetic hydrogen the electron orbits move further away from the nucleus, not closer. * *

[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:“The Lithium Problem”

2013-05-30 Thread ChemE Stewart
What if LENR = dark/vacuum energy = http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.4507 On Thursday, May 30, 2013, Axil Axil wrote: Big-bang nucleosynthesis (BBN) theory, together with the precise WMAP cosmic baryon density, makes tight predictions for the abundances of the lightest elements. Deuterium and

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat CB radio RF generation

2013-05-30 Thread Ron Wormus
I notice that in the pictures they are twisted pairs; could it be a transmission line. --On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:57 PM -0400 David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.com wrote: If plenty of power is available, and stringent RF interference specs don't need to be met, the simple wires will

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

2013-05-30 Thread Berke Durak
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: I don't buy it. The reactor is a sealed faraday cage, so it's not going to care about ripple or dc vs ac. It's just a thermal interface. The reactor might require or might be incompatible with low-frequency AC magnetic

Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! ....

2013-05-30 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:51 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: More interesting is when the electron is at perigee Clearly this is based on the Bohr model, obsolete; but, could you explain a bit more?! :) If you believe in Puthoff's explanation for the non-radiating electron, there is a rapid

Re: [Vo]:Comment by Anderson at Forbes

2013-05-30 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: I’m a Professor Ameritus in Electrical Engineering ... Everything I read in the 29 page report, and following challenges as answered by the authors, seems extremely convincing. All objections, typically suggesting fraud,

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