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From: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
To: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion Split Up RUMORMONGERING - You got
evidence, post it!
It is obvious Defkalion knows about the catalyst.
excuse me, I forgot to send:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/08/informavores-sunday-no-467.html
Peter
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Anyone have any evidence?
I'm really hoping if this rumor is *real*, that someone will post the so called
press release.
If several members of this forum have seen it, they need to post it.
Otherwise, I say that several members of this forum are participating in rumor
mongering.
Please put
On 2011-08-07 07:38, noone noone wrote:
There are rumors that Rossi and Defkalion have split up. However, no
evidence has been presented.
If you have evidence, present it.
Here's the evidence, straight from Rossi:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#comment-59867
Andrea
Can we not get this Steorn holdover, whoever he really is, removed from this
list ?
He refuses to post under a real name. He bad-mouths everyone who does not
worship Rossi and has no apparent understanding of the science involved. Has
he ever contributed anything to our understanding of the
This is something. Hopefully it just tells that neither Defkalion nor Rossi
has real resources to make this technology commercially viable soon enough
and Rossi will just make technology publicly available and protected only by
Italian and soon international patent.
If this is not going to
On 2011-08-07 15:30, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
This is something. Hopefully it just tells that neither Defkalion nor
Rossi has real resources to make this technology commercially viable
soon enough and Rossi will just make technology publicly available and
protected only by Italian and soon
It seems Rossi's ways are inherently tortuous
Have asked my Greek friends and now I will see
what says Daniele if he knows more.
I have never ruined. a 200M euro business so I envy Rossi
But it is quite incredible..
.
Peter
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Akira Shirakawa
The big October demo in Greece is going to be cancelled ?
2011/8/7 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
It seems Rossi's ways are inherently tortuous
Have asked my Greek friends and now I will see
what says Daniele if he knows more.
I have never ruined. a 200M euro business so I envy Rossi
Will take place in the US with the collaboration of the greatest scientists
of the world (Who are they?)
This bizarre news is already on Daniele's 22 Passi blog
with no inside information yet. Defkalion site inactive.
Waiting for Prof Sremmenos's explanations too.
Peter
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at
On 2011-08-07 15:58, Andrea Selva wrote:
The big October demo in Greece is going to be cancelled ?
He's going to demonstrate his megawatt plant in the USA:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#comment-59881
Andrea Rossi
August 7th, 2011 at 9:00 AM
Dear Sterling:
I prefer
Well since this breakup information finally comes from Rossi himself, the
earlier press release was apparently not a forgery.
At any rate, it would be easy to misinterpret what this E-Cat breakup means,
but it clearly means that Rossi does not realize that DGT may know his
all-important secret.
A simpler explanation DGT has stated that the E-cat is not catching
energy-mice and got a better place/business to invest money? Also
speculating. I have met Prof Stremmenos two times at Asti but we are not in
so good relation, cannot phone him.
Peter
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Jones Beene
Andrea Rossi
August 7th, 2011 at 9:00 AM
Dear Sterling:
I prefer that the reasons will be cleared by a judge by a verdict. Facts,
not chatters, as usual with me. Our attorneys have filed a suit.
I confirm that our 1 MW plant will be put in operation in the USA, after
an agreement we made
I see that Daniele Passerini has also posted the notice with no
further comment. Well, the Sea of Women and following poetry could
be some kind of subtle statement.
T
What if the opposite is true?
What if Defkalion had advanced the technology beyond what Rossi had been able
to achieve, and they really did not need Rossi any longer.
Remember, Defkalion claimed that the Greek govt were going to do performance
and safety certification testing of their products
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
I hear that Nicosia is nice in the fall g
Did you know that Cyprus was once owned by the Templars?
T
They are lots of comments- some in English, make a search for the and you
get them.
Rossi has told to Passerini that the Greeks have not paid, tht's the reason
of the divorce. But why have they not paid?
The contract with the Bologna U. continues OK (says Rossi)
Daniele has also asked Stremmenos
...err ... speaking of holy grails ?
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton
I hear that Nicosia is nice in the fall g
Did you know that Cyprus was once owned by the Templars?
see Ecatnews.com comments re divorce
peter
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:18 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
I hear that Nicosia is nice in the fall g
Did you know that Cyprus was once owned by the Templars?
T
UPDATE:
I have been alerted that the likeliest location of Hyperion development in
Cyprus is not Nicosia but Limassol, which also looks very inviting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limassol,_Cyprus
...err ... speaking of holy grails ?
I hear that Nicosia is nice in the fall g
Did you know
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
UPDATE:
I have been alerted that the likeliest location of Hyperion development in
Cyprus is not Nicosia but Limassol, which also looks very inviting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limassol,_Cyprus
Well, well, well! That
At 02:06 AM 8/7/2011, noone noone wrote:
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From: noone noone thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
To: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi and Defkalion Split Up RUMORMONGERING - You
got evidence, post it!
It is
From Defkalion web page:
Company Structure
Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies (Global) Ltd., is based in Cyprus;
it owns the contract signed with the inventor regarding the industrial
secret with right of first refusal to sell globally except the US.
http://www.defkalion-energy.com/profile
end
From Terry
Dear Sterling:
I prefer that the reasons will be cleared by a judge by a verdict.
Facts, not chatters, as usual with me. Our attorneys have filed a
suit. I confirm that our 1 MW plant will be put in operation in
the USA, after an agreement we made last week with one of the
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
From Defkalion web page:
Company Structure
Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies (Global) Ltd., is based in Cyprus;
it owns the contract signed with the inventor regarding the industrial
secret with right of first refusal to sell globally except the US.
LOL (well, OK, just chuckling, really)
And so Rossi's exit strategy from the Defkalion situation has
materialized. It's probably not quite what anyone expected, but it's
certainly gotten him off the hook for delivering anything to them.
Lots of tortuous explanations of the split are
Perhaps I should read all my mail before responding to the older
messages. Still, I don't think I embarassed myself by what I wrote.
At 09:12 AM 8/7/2011, Akira Shirakawa wrote:
...
Here's the evidence, straight from Rossi:
http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=501cpage=9#comment-59867
Well, well, well indeed!
As the evidence adds up, it is looking more and more like this impulsive
move by AR - to sever the relationship with DGT - was not such a smart move.
Did he let his ego get ahead of cool-headed self-restraint?
Seriously, did he not essentially cancel a contract that
At 10:52 AM 8/7/2011, noone noone wrote:
Perhaps Rossi saw how far they had advanced the technology, and got spooked.
We don't know the whole story. We don't know what is true at this point.
Before there is any sign that Defkalion is making a move, Rossi
announces that he's terminating the
At 11:16 AM 8/7/2011, Peter Gluck wrote:
They are lots of comments- some in English, make a search for the
and you get them.
Rossi has told to Passerini that the Greeks have not paid, tht's the
reason of the divorce. But why have they not paid?
Again and again Rossi emphasized that he didn't
2011/8/7 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net:
Even if they have no money presently to meet a deadline which had been
agreed to months ago (as reported), the fact remains that if they somehow
got hold of the industrial secret which they claim to have already, and
were able to advance the technology
From http://ecatnews.com/
re the Defkalion forum:
When live, the forum was a key source of (what should have been)
quality information. From it, we were told that Defkalion has tested
the eCat many times, always achieving a gain of 19 or more. As we
can see below, either they were lying or
From Abd:
With some satisfaction, I suppose, I note that all those who defended
Rossi's claim by supposing that Defkalion had tested the technology
must now assume that either Rossi is lying or they were incorrect. I
don't think Rossi is lying, though he could be.
Fascinating.
Indeed
On 2011-08-07 16:18, Jones Beene wrote:
Well since this breakup information finally comes from Rossi himself, the
earlier press release was apparently not a forgery.
At any rate, it would be easy to misinterpret what this E-Cat breakup means,
but it clearly means that Rossi does not realize
At 12:31 PM 8/7/2011, Terry Blanton wrote:
From Defkalion web page:
Company Structure
Praxen Defkalion Green Technologies (Global) Ltd., is based in Cyprus;
it owns the contract signed with the inventor regarding the industrial
secret with right of first refusal to sell globally except the US.
On 11-08-07 01:32 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Rossi, from his announcement, never trusted them with the catalyst.
Therefore, if they did discover the catalyst, they did not obtain it
from disclosure, and he's going to have a devil of a time trying to
prove that they stole the process.
On 11-08-07 01:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 10:52 AM 8/7/2011, noone noone wrote:
Perhaps Rossi saw how far they had advanced the technology, and got
spooked.
We don't know the whole story. We don't know what is true at this point.
Before there is any sign that Defkalion is making
At 12:34 PM 8/7/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Yup. Either Rossi is lying, or Defkalion is. It could not be more clear cut.
Nope. That's just more assumption masquerading as proof. It's
entirely possible that Defkalion is testing Hyperions, and Rossi did
not provide them. It's possible that they
At 12:38 PM 8/7/2011, Jones Beene wrote:
How do you turn your back on $100,000,000 (or more) simply on ego-driven
impulse?
1. People do this. Rossi had a grandiose perception of himself and
his abilities. From what he's stated in the past, he expects to
prevail against all obstacles, no
From Abd,
...
Expect from Defkalion: a patent, disclosing the catalyst. Very soon,
delay could be quite harmful to their interests.
And obviously from Rossi's POV, disclosure of the catalyst during what is
assumed will be an interesting legal battle would be the last thing he
would want
These are very interesting developments indeed... And not unexpected.
As Einstein said, Without morality in out actions, there is no salvation for
mankind.
It's hard enough finding business people who have a high level of integrity
when times are good, but
given the dismal state of affairs in
Abd said...
Rossi could have and should have delegated response there to someone he
trusted.
If he trusts anyone!
Indeed, if I were Rossi, I'd have a hard time trusting anyone...
Assuming that Defkalion has 'played' Rossi, what I'd like to know is if
Stremmenos is complicit in
this
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
What makes you think there is a catalyst?
All we have is Rossi's word for it.
The alleged catalyst has provided a very convenient means for preventing
anyone else from event attempting a real replication. As such,
Reading the announcement on Rossi's blog it seems that he wants to underline
the fact that he did not pass any secret (voluntarily) to DGT. So to say
that he want to go on the industrial espionage road for the legal battle.
Probably he feels his shoulders backed by the US partners.
mic
Il
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Assuming that Defkalion has 'played' Rossi, what I'd like to know is if
Stremmenos is complicit in
this deception... I guess his years as a politician have corrupted his
integrity as a scientist.
Isn't anyone immune
What makes you think there is a catalyst?
That was my thought too... That even without a catalyst or loading of
hydrogen into the nickel, a few degrees of excess heat could be gotten
with a low-cost replication attempt. I tried and got no results at
20bars of hydrogen and 250C heat. I also used
Greetings Vortex-l
I am not sure IF my thoughts on Rossi and DKL are even
logical
BUT what if a major world entity wants all of Rossi s patent rights.
Would his actions then be logical...merely a hypothesis.
Thoughts are welcomed.
Ron Kita, Chiralex
On 2011-08-07 20:56, ecat builder wrote:
with a low-cost replication attempt. I tried and got no results at
20bars of hydrogen and 250C heat. I also used activated charcoal and
other methods to increase the exposed nickel surface area. So.. there
is at least some trick to get a reaction. On the
Quite impressive for a company we were told was thrown together hastily this
spring.
Sent from my iPhone.
On Aug 7, 2011, at 13:39, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote:
They have dozens of experts and hundreds of millions of dollars, and a
board of directors that would be
Ecat builder, have you ever tried reading Piantelli's 2010 patent for
Thanks S.A., yes, that is a nice reference. If I had more time and a
real lab capable of 10^-9 bar and 500C I would try... Was hoping a
little transmutation could be achieved without impulses and
pre-loading. If anyone knows of
Brain Ahern's results are strong evidence that anomalous thermal gain is
possible with nano nickel. From there on, it is a struggle to increase the
gain.
IOW - the HUGE step is to get to rock-solid COP1. This is a done deal. From
there on it's a matter of engineering.
In Brian's results the
At 09:46 AM 8/5/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
results will be at:
http://www.zoomerang.com/Shared/SharedResultsPasswordPage.aspx?ID=L26VBL22QQQG
I closed the poll -- in part because any future replies would be
heavily skewed by the Rossi/Defkalion news.
The fake/real spilt wasn't quite as
Rossi's been making frequent posts -- one of his latest:
Andrea Rossi
August 7th, 2011 at 2:22 PM
Dear Georgehants:
Prof. Stremmenos has tested our E-Cats many times in Bologna and has made
a very good work; I do not know what has been done in Greece from
Deflalion with the documents made by
fasten your seat belts...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XypVcv77WBU
Harry
Piantelli, Rossi, Defkalion, big US investor...
copious hot air...
never any facts...
so it's all electric heaters
in drag...
we're all getting old
since 1989,
gawking at this circus parade.
In mutual service, Rich Murray
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings Vortex-l
I am not sure IF my thoughts on Rossi and DKL are even
logical
BUT what if a major world entity wants all of Rossi s patent rights.
Would his actions then be
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:
Yup. Either Rossi is lying, or Defkalion is. It could not be more clear
cut.
Nope. That's just more assumption masquerading as proof. It's entirely
possible that Defkalion is testing Hyperions, and Rossi did not provide
them.
Defkalion
On 08/07/2011 05:53 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Ron Kitachiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings Vortex-l
I am not sure IF my thoughts on Rossi and DKL are even
logical
BUT what if a major world entity wants all of Rossi s
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar wrote:
Instead of continuing with the research, he decided to announce it, making
waves as big as possible, to sell his discovery to the best bidder. Who will
probably bury it, by the way.
Unfortunately, they cannot bury it deep
I meant to write:
If you don't believe it because Rossi is a dodgy person, go ahead and SAY
that. Just don't pretend you have some sophisticated technical reason.
It is perfectly valid to reject a claim because the person making the claim
looks like a crook. That is not a technical reason, but
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:53:08 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Ron Kita chiralex.k...@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings Vortex-l
I am not sure IF my thoughts on Rossi and DKL are even
logical
BUT what if a major world
Problems...
if not Major,
then are minor,
albeit many,
however,
now ever,
since obviously these very little crooked black ma r k s
right now,
wrong now,
occupy awareness,
then,
confusion
(not just about cold fusion)
is being imagined
within
single entire unified creative fractal
I have said that I believe his claims despite this. I believe the temperature
difference was a steady 5 deg C for 18 hours, because I assume Levi and
others are credible
With a temperature probe INSIDE the black box.
From: Jed Rothwell
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 11:37 PM
To:
At 01:50 PM 8/7/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-08-07 01:32 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
Rossi, from his announcement, never trusted them with the catalyst.
Therefore, if they did discover the catalyst, they did not obtain
it from disclosure, and he's going to have a devil of a time
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
What Cude, Robert Park and the editors of Sci. Am. are doing is rejecting
all cold fusion claims no matter how legitimate the researcher may appear to
be.
As a side note, Park continues to eschew CF in What's New.
At 01:56 PM 8/7/2011, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
On 11-08-07 01:08 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
At 10:52 AM 8/7/2011, noone noone wrote:
Perhaps Rossi saw how far they had advanced the technology, and got spooked.
We don't know the whole story. We don't know what is true at this point.
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 5:38 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
A couple of months back I informed Ford of the existence of Rossi's technology
and suggested it might be useable in cars.
God in the safe and Ford on the shelves.
- Aldous Huxley, Brave New World, Ch. 17
fromWordPress no-re...@wordpress.com
to rmfor...@gmail.com
dateSun, Aug 7, 2011 at 10:34 AM
subject [New post] Rossi's Scientific Failure in Seven Steps
10:34 AM (4 hours ago)
Rossi's Scientific Failure in Seven Steps
Steven B. Krivit | August 7, 2011 at 17:34 |
On 08/07/2011 06:34 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Mauro Lacyma...@lacy.com.ar wrote:
Instead of continuing with the research, he decided to announce it, making
waves as big as possible, to sell his discovery to the best bidder. Who will
probably bury it, by the
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
excuse me, I forgot to send:
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com/2011/08/informavores-sunday-no-467.html
Always something to think about. This link:
Outstandingly interesting:
http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/11-08-03/;
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Mauro Lacy ma...@lacy.com.ar wrote:
Any references for Swartz?
Sure. That was a reference to discussions by Michael Swartz, who publishes:
http://world.std.com/~mica/cft.html
He sponsors the MIT Colloquiums you see mentioned here sometimes. I
think he and
On 08/07/2011 07:34 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Mauro Lacyma...@lacy.com.ar wrote:
Any references for Swartz?
Sure. That was a reference to discussions by Michael Swartz, who publishes:
http://world.std.com/~mica/cft.html
He sponsors the MIT
Good coverage. You should read this:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3228376.ece
It will be updated tomorrow with comments from Defkalion.
Note also the comments about Krivit and steam enthalpy in the last
paragraphs.
- Jed
Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
I have said that I believe his claims despite this. I believe the
temperature difference was a steady 5 deg C for 18 hours, because I assume
Levi and others are credible
With a temperature probe INSIDE the black box.
Putting the temperature
Alan: Thanks for keeping an eye on Rossi's blog for us. That is helpful.
- Jed
NyTeknik maintains that the liquid mass is at most 10% (steam quality at
least 90%) and because of this there is no significant error in measuring
the heat output using the steam.
It may come for a surprise for many, but there is no such thing as water
boiler that produces a steam with quality much less than 95%, in close to
normal pressure. Very wet steam just is not stable state, because surface
tension makes sure that wetness in steam is quickly converted into liquid
At 07:58 PM 8/7/2011, Daniel Rocha wrote:
NyTeknik maintains that the liquid mass is at most 10% (steam
quality at least 90%) and because of this there is no significant
error in measuring the heat output using the steam.
That's based on a steam expert, apparently, who has probably never
At 08:29 PM 8/7/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Well, this is not NyTeknik's claim. They quote someone else. The article says:
[...] From other cases with evaporation in tubes I would guess that
the steam quality is at least 90%.
This is in line with what I have heard from other experts.
That's
At 10:09 PM 8/7/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
It may come for a surprise for many, but there is no such thing as
water boiler that produces a steam with quality much less than 95%,
in close to normal pressure. Very wet steam just is not stable
state, because surface tension makes sure that
I have met Mike Shermer here in Cluj and have tried later to e- discuss
with him re Cold Fusion/LENR with very limited success. By the way, Rossi's
E-cat is a PR disaster for the field. What could I write about this subject-
for SKEPTIC in
order to convince people thta LENR is a viable energy
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