Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Smart man. He is exactly right contrary to many discussions here.
Yes indeed, It is curious how hard this thing has been for many to
understand, that it is impossible to get low quality steam by boiling in
low pressure. But low quality steam can be made
Craig, I think that Peter is in very difficult situation, because If Andrea
did not provide him any exclusive material, then there is nothing to write.
There is just words and claims but those have zero scientific relevance.
—Jouni
tiistai, 1. marraskuuta 2011 Craig Brown
Greetings Vortex,
I usually check the tuesday NYT Science Times Section on-line, and
there is no coverage of Rossi.
http://www.nytimes.com/pages/science/index.html
I can now understand how big media is going broke- it wants to
give us- the news that they want us to see. hmm
Ron Kita,
Most Internet sites don't even have a science section - if even present, it
gets lumped under Tech. The Times science section is like most of the others,
credulous and sensationalist.
-drl
--
I write a little. I erase a lot. - Chopin
--- On Tue,
Jouni,
He has more exclusive material than you can shake a stick at – and a full day
to cover the events properly.
“Words and claims” for UFOs, Yeti and the Loch Ness Monster still get good
coverage on the newswires, so I don’t see how this is any different. In fact,
it’s far more credible
Hi,
Am 01.11.2011 07:13, schrieb Jouni Valkonen:
The response was Sorry, there's nothing I can say at this point.
Today I recieved some more worrying information from a concerned
member of the public. He had emailed Kit Frieden and recieved the
following response - I’m sorry, but the AP
Hi,
isnt Rossi and everybody else aware that the energy produced is the most
important thing in this experiment?
Why did they hide the dissipators behind pressboard that looks like junk?
This is the most important thing, and they try to make it look
uninteresting.
Why did they obviously
Who cares what it's behind?? Maybe he doesn't want people getting burned! Most
machinery has some form of idiot fence around it!
I find it amazing that people seize on the tiniest details, like a matron
dissatisfied with her curtains.
Rossi's test was a shambles of science - but what
My strongest reason for believing that Rossi is on the up and up - plain old
faith.
1)
QCD, the theory of the strong interaction that controls how protons and
neutrons interact, is a beautiful structure that is just about
completely useless. Almost nothing can be calculated with it. I don't
Am 01.11.2011 09:19, schrieb Danny Ross Lunsford:
Who cares what it's behind?? Maybe he doesn't want people getting
burned! Most machinery has some form of idiot fence around it!
I find it amazing that people seize on the tiniest details, like a
matron dissatisfied with her curtains.
This
The previous tests were done, if not perfectly, then at least with care enough
to demonstrate massive excess heat. Since the big plant is just a lot of small
ecats thrown together, what point to Rossi would there have been? He was making
a sale, not impressing his neighbors, or us. That he even
Am 01.11.2011 09:25, schrieb Danny Ross Lunsford:
My strongest reason for believing that Rossi is on the up and up -
plain old faith.
It is absolutely wrong to have to use faith for something that can be
easily measured and tested.
Rossi wants real money and he will count it without doubt
Am 01.11.2011 09:31, schrieb Danny Ross Lunsford:
The previous tests were done, if not perfectly, then at least with
care enough to demonstrate massive excess heat. Since the big plant is
just a lot of small ecats thrown together, what point to Rossi would
there have been? He was making a
2011/11/1 *** Craig Brown *** cr...@overunity.co
“Words and claims” for UFOs, Yeti and the Loch Ness Monster still
get good coverage on the newswires, so I don’t see how this is any
different.
That is good point... There has been in recent months in main stream
media news about Himalayan Yeti
I just wrote a short story featuring it. In it, the Rossi effect is a
matter-antimatter reaction slowed down enormously, but destined to pick up
speed, so the world's energy woes may be solved, but everyone is walking around
with a ticking matter-antimatter bomb in his/her cell phone :) The
2011/11/1 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com:
Cold fusion
is rare even in science fiction.
By the way, can anyone recommend (preferably good) near future science
fiction novels that have cold fusion device as a plot generator? Is
there even any?!
–Jouni
What can Krivit do if it turns out that Rossi's
controversial work is determined to be authentic?
Surely he would blame Rossi:
It is a pity that Rossi did not conduct proper tests and release
the data earlier; think of all the starving and thirsting Africans
and others who could have been
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
I think this engineer's guide to cats is the next best thing until an
engineer's guide to ecats becomes available.
Cat yodeling. Maxx and Mia will have to try this tonight!
T
Well, the Grey Lady sent no reporters there contrary to my previous report.
NYT was NyT or Nyteknik, a Swedish magazine. And the AP reporter ain't
speakin'. So, we will see no major media reports.unless the AP
reporter is unleashed.
T
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.dewrote:
Rossi wants real money and he will count it without doubt as every
businessman does, why dont they use faith?
Rossi was allegedly paid by TC (The Customer) for his Reactor. Now, I
wonder how much? Was he paid based
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Saint_(film)
But The Rossi Legacy is much much better! ;-)
mic
mic
Il giorno 01/nov/2011 12:32, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com ha
scritto:
2011/11/1 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com:
Cold fusion
is rare even in science fiction.
By the
Are there any recent reports of Ni-H LENR other than Rossi?
I know there was Brillouin back in March:
http://www.brillouinenergy.com/Brillouin_Second_Round_Data.pdf
Brian Ahern in May:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg47437.html
Also seems to have gone quiet
Piantelli? Others?
Miley has replicated the original Patterson' Nickel-Hydrogen reaction,
but he modified the metal. Now he says it's totally replicable and
that there are 'no more show-stoppers.' If Rossi wasn't the news, he
would be the news now, I think.
Go past minute 4 to get to Miley's presentation.
Peter Heckert wrote:
Had he documented the airflow and temperatures in a credible way or
had he used an industrial cooler that has known calibration data, then
the energy would have been proven almost irrefutable.
He documented the water flow. The water was vaporized. The temperature
was
Am 01.11.2011 14:56, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
He documented the water flow. The water was vaporized. The temperature
was well over 100 deg C. Fioravanti and all other experts in steam say
this proves it was dry steam, fully vaporized. For that matter, even
if it was wet steam or magically hot
By the way, can anyone recommend (preferably good) near future science
fiction novels that have cold fusion device as a plot generator? Is
there even any?!
Our very own Jed Rothwell's book Cold Fusion and the Future is the
best I know of on near future sci-fi CF technology.
It costs $.99
Blacklight Power just released a video that was posted on vortex:
Replication and testing at Rowan University.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfjOIoPwolg
A number of people are trying to replicate on a small scale. Here is
the latest, in the planning stage:
Good post Danny. ;-)
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Danny Ross Lunsford antimatte...@yahoo.com
To: vortex list vortex-L@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 1, 2011 4:25 am
Subject: [Vo]:Faith!
My strongest reason for believing that Rossi is on the up and up - plain old
faith.
1) QCD, the
Peter, have you seen this comment on NyTeknik?
The video is inside the last article by Lewan.
The valve appear almost closed, so that’s why there was not so much liquid
water (5 liters according to the report).
[h=3]Closed water condensate drainage valve[/h]
Somebody asked Mr. Rossi about the
Peter Heckert wrote:
No. if it was hot water, then the energy was 5 times less than 100 kW.
If there was a cold water flow in the other pipe, then it was less
than 50 kW.
If there was a heater near the thermoelement, then it was almost zero.
Especially Domenico Fioravanti (customer engineer)
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:17 AM, ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote:
By the way, can anyone recommend (preferably good) near future science
fiction novels that have cold fusion device as a plot generator? Is
there even any?!
Our very own Jed Rothwell's book Cold Fusion and the Future
Am 01.11.2011 15:28, schrieb Mattia Rizzi:
Peter, have you seen this comment on NyTeknik?
The video is inside the last article by Lewan.
The valve appear almost closed, so that’s why there was not so much
liquid water (5 liters according to the report).
Probably they left it open partially, so
Am 01.11.2011 15:34, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote:
No. if it was hot water, then the energy was 5 times less than 100 kW.
If there was a cold water flow in the other pipe, then it was less
than 50 kW.
If there was a heater near the thermoelement, then it was almost zero.
I think if there is a scam, you can put Levi with all of them. He was with
Rossi and the costumer all the time.
-- Forwarded message --
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Date: 2011/11/1
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi 1MW : Why is the energy hidden behind pressboard?
To:
There is no point to listing all the ways
they might have cheated.
I thought he pointed out evidence that they DID cheat, i.e. not
enough heat from the radiator corral.
Peter Heckert wrote:
Yes, he is an expert. And as an expert he would have know there was a
heater near the thermocouple, or that there was cold water in the
other pipe. Any expert would notice this. Heck, I would notice this
in an instant.
So you have X ray eyes?
When you insert a large
vorl bek wrote:
There is no point to listing all the ways
they might have cheated.
I thought he pointed out evidence that they DID cheat, i.e. not
enough heat from the radiator corral.
That was a different discussion. I think that is debatable. In this
case, Heckert was listing various
Am 01.11.2011 15:55, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
vorl bek wrote:
There is no point to listing all the ways
they might have cheated.
I thought he pointed out evidence that they DID cheat, i.e. not
enough heat from the radiator corral.
That was a different discussion. I think that is debatable. In
Am 01.11.2011 15:55, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
vorl bek wrote:
There is no point to listing all the ways
they might have cheated.
I thought he pointed out evidence that they DID cheat, i.e. not
enough heat from the radiator corral.
That was a different discussion. I think that is debatable. In
Am 01.11.2011 15:50, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote:
Yes, he is an expert. And as an expert he would have know there was
a heater near the thermocouple, or that there was cold water in the
other pipe. Any expert would notice this. Heck, I would notice this
in an instant.
So you
I have been monitoring this argument for quite a while. It is getting humorous.
Peter, can you name one scientific experiment that has been conducted where
there is absolutely no possible way to scam the results?
The level of scrutiny that you seem to subject the ECAT to is incredible.
I
Am 01.11.2011 15:28, schrieb Mattia Rizzi:
Andrea Rossi
October 31st, 2011 at 6:07 PM
Dear Paul Gordon:
The valve has been always open, under the strict control of the
Consultant of the Customer. The video you talk of has been made during
the cooling down of the E-Cat, after it
Am 01.11.2011 16:26, schrieb David Roberson:
I have been monitoring this argument for quite a while. It is getting
humorous.
Peter, can you name one scientific experiment that has been conducted
where there is absolutely no possible way to scam the results?
The level of scrutiny that you seem
The title of this thread, asserting that there may be press suppression,
seems llike nonsense to me. No major mass media this paper will report this
kind of event. What are they going to say? An engineer from an unknown
company made a claim that no scientist or engineer would believe, without
At 06:38 PM 10/31/2011, Danny Ross Lunsford wrote:
Hi all, I'm new.
What I find astounding is the knee-jerk reactions of the intelligent
lay person, who may even be an engineer or a scientist in a softer
discipline (no disrespect intended). I participate in an amateur
astronomy forum where,
At 06:57 PM 10/31/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Just assign a new thread title in the Subject line and you will
create a new top level item.
It's a bit trickier than that ... you have to start a brand new message.
A reply to goes into the middle of the existing thread, not a new one.
At 04:31 AM 11/1/2011, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/11/1 Jouni Valkonen
jounivalko...@gmail.com:
Cold fusion
is rare even in science fiction.
By the way, can anyone recommend (preferably good) near future
science
fiction novels that have cold fusion device as a plot generator? Is
there even
The blanket statement that those who did look into the 1 MW system and accept
Krivit's version is far to encompassing. How can I determine that all of the
scientists made that conclusion?
Krivit seems to have a blinded version of events where he can see nothing good
in Mr. Rossi. There is
A recent paper Time-resolved hydrino continuum transitions with cutoffs at
22.8 nm and 10.1 nm
http://www.springerlink.com/content/q8005267210x3568/fulltext.pdf
by R.L. Mills and Y. Lu published in The European Physical Journal D - Atomic,
Molecular, Optical and Plasma
You can forget the hydrino. It does no good to adhere to bad ideas. Angular
momentum conservation prevents it. We need to use good physics to get to the
bottom of this phenomenon, and ruthlessly eliminate the bad ideas.
--
I write a little. I erase a
That is exactly what I was saying… Now that Mills admits the “hydrino” is
actually fractiona Rydberg hydrogen the term hydrino not only becomes redundant
but also carries all the baggage of his previously wrong definition that caused
so much controversy. The term should be eradicated with
Does anyone understand what happens to one of these fractional Rydberg hydrogen
atoms once it is released into the atmosphere? Does it gain energy from the
air and become standard hydrogen? I am just curious?
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Roarty, Francis X
Fractional Rydberg? That's nonsense too - this isn't chemistry, it's not
electrons. It's nucleons. The key point is that nickel 62 is at the peak of the
binding-energy-per-nucleon curve. Somehow I think a circular reaction is going
on around the peak - call it fussion.
Hello Fran,
I don`t understand your statement: Now that Mills admits the “hydrino” is
actually fractiona Rydberg hydrogen the term hydrino not only becomes redundant
but also carries all the baggage of his previously wrong definition that caused
so much controversy.
I thought Mills has always
At 09:28 AM 11/1/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:
At 06:38 PM 10/31/2011, Danny Ross Lunsford wrote:
Hi all, I'm new.
btw : I see you have lots of hits in google .. and that you've had
run-ins with arXiv (sympathetic to rossi, then!), motl, not-even-wrong etc etc.
Not too bad, Motl is a pain in mine and everyone else's nucleus, that's about
it. My work is already published, so I don't much care if it's on the arXiv,
you can get it from Academia.edu.
--
I write a little. I erase a lot. - Chopin
Peter Heckert wrote:
You are in error. There was a time when I believed. (After analyzing
the Essen Kullander demo)
I do not see how anyone can believe that and disbelieve the Oct. 6. I
thought the latter was much more convincing.
When I see it output 470 kW energy and heat at the
At Physics Today.
http://physicstoday.org/resource/1/phtoad/v64/i11/p17_s1
High-frequency electrolysis begets spontaneously combusting nanobubbles
The key is to feed the bubbles a balanced diet of hydrogen and oxygen
before they have a chance to grow.
Ashley G. Smart
November 2011, page
I will remind the theorists among us again that Rossi states in his patent
that copper can be used as a micro powder material as an alternative to
nickel. This implies that the physical and/or chemical properties of Nickel
are not critical to the Rossi reaction.
Rossi has surveyed many other
The appropriate term is Inverse Rydberg states but “fractional Rydberg”states
is the term Mills and Lu used to describe the hydrino in their paper
http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/Time-resolved%20paper.pdf
from the introduction [snip] The product is H(1/P), fractional Rydberg states
of
Dear Axil,
what you say is more true for Piantelli who has created
Transition Metals LENR.
Peter
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:38 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I will remind the theorists among us again that Rossi states in his patent
that copper can be used as a micro powder material
Not that I expect to buy one soon, but I've seen the price/Kw given as
$2000. It actually appears to be in Euros, although customers in the US
might benefit from the common practice of leaving the number alone, and
just changing the currency. I don't think this changes the economics at all
for
Hi,
On 1-11-2011 19:43, Jed Rothwell wrote:
I was a little surprised it worked so well. I feared it might be
difficult to coordinate so many units, or there might be a problem
with a steam pipe getting plugged up or one of the machines
overheating. I feared there might be an accident. I was
At 01:33 PM 11/1/2011, Sean True wrote:
Not that I expect to buy one
soon, but I've seen the price/Kw given as $2000. It actually appears to
be in Euros, although customers in the US might benefit from the common
practice of leaving the number alone, and just changing the currency. I
don't think
Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com wrote:
In hindsight I'm glad Rossi pursued his approach of building a big system
to be shown to the World, which can produce up to 1 MW i.s.o. of showing
only a couple of small e-cats with only a couple of kW.
I still disagree, vehemently. I think this is
Hi Jed,
Am 01.11.2011 19:43, schrieb Jed Rothwell:
Peter Heckert wrote:
You are in error. There was a time when I believed. (After analyzing
the Essen Kullander demo)
I do not see how anyone can believe that and disbelieve the Oct. 6. I
thought the latter was much more convincing.
This
Alan J. Fletcher wrote [quoting Colonel Fioravanti):
The only case when you have low steam quality or droplets or liquid
water in this steam is in long or poorly isolated tubes fro steam
transport. Steam then condenses and there will be a flow of water
together with the steam.
This is not
2011/11/1 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:
For that matter, why would anyone think the Krivit test was fake?
In Krivit's E-Cat we can directly calculate that power output was
significantly less than with Mats Lewan's E-Cat. Something like
0.9-1.5 kW, depending on real flow rate. As lower
Am 01.11.2011 22:33, schrieb Jouni Valkonen:
2011/11/1 Jed Rothwelljedrothw...@gmail.com:
For that matter, why would anyone think the Krivit test was fake?
For Krivit, Rossi /claimed/ the water flow and it was doubted by others
and this was so early I did not understand everything and was
According to the report, EK measured the water flow before the test, but
not *during* the test.
I asked to Essen and confirmed that they doesn't have measured the flow
during the test.
-Messaggio originale-
From: Peter Heckert
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:43 PM
To:
Am 01.11.2011 22:59, schrieb Mattia Rizzi:
According to the report, EK measured the water flow before the test,
but not *during* the test.
I asked to Essen and confirmed that they doesn't have measured the
flow during the test.
I had this thougt too, but:
The pump is so loud, any significant
I had this thougt too, but:
The pump is so loud, any significant change in flow rate would have been
noticed by them.
The pump used is LMI P18.
You can regulate the flow by adjusting the stroke frequency (and it's
noticeable) or by adjusting the injected volume (up to 2ml per stroke).
If you
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:19:49 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
Efficiency does matter for two reasons.
1) Nickel availability.
2) Global warming.
Nope.
1. Even at very low efficiency this would only require a tiny fraction
of the available
Hi,
On 1-11-2011 22:31, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
That's with multiple E-cats working together, and with a system which
was flaky enough that the final power level measured was just under
half what it was supposed to be (that's a 50% variation from what was
predicted).
So, we've got a
Hi,
On 1-11-2011 22:33, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
2011/11/1 Jed Rothwelljedrothw...@gmail.com:
For that matter, why would anyone think the Krivit test was fake?
In Krivit's E-Cat we can directly calculate that power output was
significantly less than with Mats Lewan's E-Cat. Something like
Original Message
Subject:[EVGRAY] Major OU breakthrough unfolding.
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 21:38:31 -
From: silverhealtheu silverhealt...@gmail.com
Reply-To: evg...@yahoogroups.com
To: evg...@yahoogroups.com
Peter Heckert wrote:
With the October 6 test there was so much false selfcontradicting
information about Defkalion, Steam, Pressure and so on, and the claims
where not coincident with the observations, for example hot water
shooting out with obviously high pressure while Rossi claimed it is
Hi,
On 1-11-2011 22:27, Jed Rothwell wrote:
It does not look mature to me. Obviously you can use modules in this
method but I think that is a wacky way to build a megawatt scale
reactor. It has way too many individual modules and pipes, and way too
many things that can go wrong and will go
rofl! aleays start with a sphere
Also, square reactors are a really, really bad idea.
- Jed
Did someone here attend the recent conference shown on YouTube? Apparently
George Miley gave an informal extra presentation about recent results with
the Arata technique, gas loaded Pd-Zr. He is out of touch. When I can reach
him I will ask for any PowerPoint slides on this. The slides I saw in
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote:
Since the pump rate was constant, that means the power level was constant
with a precision of +/- 0.09 percent. (That's 9/100 of 1 percent.) This,
in a process which is said to be hard to start and hard to control.
Either that, or the water
Hi Peter,
I'm not familiar with these pumps but it has variable rate and stroke and I
wonder if someone changed the stroke would the sound change, certainly the
frequency wouldn't and it would be really easy to do without being noticed.
Colin
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Peter Heckert
Steven A. Lawrence has presented a new argument, worthy of the level
of critical acumen shown by the very astute Joshua Cude, that Rossi
claims a stablility of control of the level of power output that seems
unbelievable, given the evident problems of controlling the chaotic
output of a very
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com wrote:
Did the buyer take away the huge eKat in its storage container?
No he left it in Rossi's care. Andrea plans to sell it again to another buyer.
T
Thanks for reading my post and answering the question -- I wonder if
the buyer has the right to cancel the purchase and get his money back
at this point? R
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 7:36 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Rich Murray rmfor...@gmail.com
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
Did the buyer take away the huge eKat in its storage container?
No he left it in Rossi's care. Andrea plans to sell it again to another
buyer.
A variation on the gift that keeps on giving.
- Jed
- Original Message -
From: John Harris
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi 1MW : Why is the energy hidden behind pressboard?
Jed Wrote
Also, square reactors are a really, really bad idea.
Safety and the Rossi reactor
Have only
First video based website about lenr and e-cat.
http://www.buildecat.com/videos/
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