On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:31 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
That patent #7,983,414 should be #7,893,414.
I see. It's easy to accidentally mis-transcribe a large number like that.
However, do any Ni + neutron -- Cu decays produce gammas?
There appear to be a number of Ni(n,g)Ni gamma
Thank you Eric! I hope this is not a new sign of my Alzheimer progressing.
I have made the correction.
it seems the W-L theory has value and a role in the real LENR story.
Peter
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:31 PM,
Dear Jojo,
Please do not say offending things- nobody is using me for nothing; I have
asked DGTG, it was my initiative to publish two writings (till now) about
them and I take full responsibility
for what I say. If you will read ALL my NEW ENERGY papers on the blog Ego
Out you will learn how I
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
From hundreds of watts to kilowatts, do not worry, please.
Peter: Did Defkalion provide you with data collected by independent
observers showing watts and kilowatts of anomalous heat?
- Jed
Several researchers have tried zeolites over the years, with varying
success. I do not think many papers have been published, but they talked
about it in conferences.
- Jed
Mainly their own data, but why are you asking- do you think only
independent data = good? DGTG has reciprocal NDA with independent observers.
in the next paper you will receive these data- I also have a very strict
NDA with them.
Peter
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Jed Rothwell
Mainly their own data, but why are you asking- do you think only independent
data = good? DGTG has reciprocal NDA with independent observers.
in the next paper you will receive these data- I also have a very strict NDA
with them.
Hi Peter,
I assume the biggest complaint that will be raised
Dear Steven,
This could be significant only if DGTG is in some trouble, however they
will demonstrate their Hyperions, get them on the market and that's all.
Almost equally interesting is their
contribution to understanding of LENR
Then they will publish more data, independent ones included.
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Their responsibility is not toward people who are just curious
and unpatient.
I think it is irresponsible for anyone to make claims of this nature
without at the same time presenting independent confirmation. If this were
an ordinary industrial
This could be significant only if DGTG is in some trouble, however they will
demonstrate their Hyperions, get them on the market and that's all. Almost
equally interesting is their
contribution to understanding of LENR
Then they will publish more data, independent ones included.
Their
Peter, when someone has a technology that is as revolutionary as
Commercial-level LENR as DGT has, they cease to have this implied protection
anymore.
LENR is a symbol and icon of hope for many many people. DGT has a social and
ethical responsibility to address people's concern about it. If
The worst thing Rossi can do right now is to team up with these crooks
again. They'll just steal his IP and turn around and stab him in the back
again.
Jojo
- Original Message -
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday,
Dear Jed,
Have you read the interview with Defkalion re their business
strategy?
If yes you can see to which people they have responsibilities.
Let's be serious, we here are kind of electronic paper tigers
with no impact, no real influence, no capital, no fame; can we change,
improve or stop
Peter, I look forward to seeing the data that you have from the DGTG testing.
Please post it as soon as is possible.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, Jul 17, 2012 9:22 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:principles of DGTG
Steven,
You make a good point as usual but at the moment some of us are starved for any
data that may come our way! We can quibble over the information when it is
obtained.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l
On 2012-07-17 15:22, Peter Gluck wrote:
Mainly their own data, but why are you asking- do you think only
independent data = good? DGTG has reciprocal NDA with independent observers.
in the next paper you will receive these data- I also have a very strict
NDA with them.
- DGTG has reciprocal
I understand your position Jed. You point is well taken about the need for
verification of the data by independent organizations but I feel that any data
at this time is better than none. I plan to operate under the assumption that
the data is accurate and that the proof will be forthcoming
Dear Jojo,
The medical doctors who will perform the dissection of democracy wll think
a lot about if people had a right to have an opinion, with or without
basing this opinion on information
and facts.
LENR, unfortunately cannot be developed in the Salk vaccine style. Despite
my suggestion some
On 2012-07-17 02:58, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Like many here, I am sick and tired of waiting, both for Rossi and DGT.
I give 70% chance DGT will withdraw from ICCS17 at the last minute, 10%
chance the data presented will be incomplete and 10% chance the data
they will present will disappoint (poor COP,
From Akira:
Should we interpret this as Peter Gluck is an independent observer ?
I would like to go on record saying that if Peter really IS acting as
an independent observer, and he opines that as far as he can determine
DGT's hyperon data IS valid, I certainly would be far less inclined to
Dear Akira,
More precisely I am an independent friend of the DGTG guys, just look what
I have written about them. I am an old engineer and I have discovered that
they an me- we are thinking similarly in technical and other problems.
Somewhere in 1992 I have elaborated kind of understanding of
Jojo, you are entitled to your opinions of the parties involved in this shaky
afair. I feel that DGT should be given a bit of respect since they seem to
have moved forward a major distance in their design . Do you feel that you
stole Rossi's design and are just making improvements upon what
Greetings Vortex,
Not sure IF this was posted before:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/07/brian-ahern-to-announce-nanonickel-breakthrough-is-product-of-asymmetric-magnetism/
Respectfully,
Ron Kita, Chiralex
I hope that Ahern raises funds from the NYC New Energy Angel Meeting.
In the '1980 (?) Documentary UFO's Are Real (by Stanton Freidman) it was
said by Jesse Marcel (the 1st commanding officer to visit the site) that
some of the material retrieved had unbelievable properties. It was about the
thickness of the foil in a Pack of Cigarettes, and was very light-weight
On 2012-07-17 17:56, Ron Kita wrote:
Not sure IF this was posted before:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/07/brian-ahern-to-announce-nanonickel-breakthrough-is-product-of-asymmetric-magnetism/
No, this wasn't posted before. To tell the truth, I was aware of this
news, but the lack of detailed
Dave, I appreciate your comments.
My opinion of DGT was heavily influenced by one of the earlier Xanthoulis
interviews where he admitted to have gained access, by subterfuge, the identity
of Rossi's catalyst. The guy practically admitted he stole Rossi's
Intellectual Property. Now, after
Since Rossi’s public display of his reactor and subsequent discussions of
his technology, I have been anxious to reproduce his results – primarily
just to know that it is a real phenomenon. I listen to the excellent
exchanges on Vortex and have learned much from the posts here. As I
continue
I am pretty neutral on this issue, as long as we don't know the details.
One scenario (and not a far fetched one IMHO) may be that they learned
(where some say: stole) the catalyst or idea from Rossi, only to find
out that that catalyst or idea was not Rossi's to begin with. For all we
know,
Thanks for sharing your process. Interesting.
What is your proposed mechanism for the actual fusion? Do you have a
hypothesis?
I have done a similar process, but different, with no positive news to report.
The process I have tried involved the Mircrowave Sintering of Nickel and Copper
I believe there was a pretty intense thunderstorm the evening the 'weather
balloon' crashed...
-Original Message-
From: lorenhe...@aol.com [mailto:lorenhe...@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:02 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: TIME Magazine - Roswell Really
Bob,
Thanks for sharing. As you know, but other vortexers might not know, I
am following roughly the same path. See also fusioncatalyst.org, if
you like to join this crowd science approach. In addition to
oxidation/reduction/melting cycles I believe carbon may play a role as
it is active in
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com
wrote:
No, this wasn't posted before. To tell the truth, I was aware of this
news, but the lack of detailed information from the event website [1], the
apparent unwillingness of mr.Ahern to share more details about
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
I fully appreciate the fact that commercializing the hyperon product
trumps the need to generate independent verification.
I agree. I have no objection whatever if Defkalion wants to keep the
results strictly secret. However, they
Eric,
You may be correct, but using data from Wikipedia's Isotopes of nickel
page at URL -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopes_of_nickel
the only naturally occuring stable isotopes of nickel are:
58Ni, 60Ni, 61Ni, 62Ni, 64Ni
The only neutron captures that can occur with measurable
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/04/english-translation-of-build-instructions-for-pirelli-athanor-cell/
I would forget about Rossi because there are too many unknowns. I would
start with the Pirelli High school reactor because it is open source,
completely documented and produces a COP of 4.
This is a Russian Rossi replication using LaNi5 that is generating bursts
of X-rays and neutrons. They (Bazhutov and Izmiran
http://fireball.izmiran.ru/ ) are looking at the Erzion model of cold
nuclear transmutation...
Investigation of Thermodynamic and Radiation Effects at Loading
Intermetallic
JoJo I can understand your feelings toward DGT. There have been many
questionable actions attributed to them to date, but I am assuming most of
these are due to misunderstandings between the parties. If indeed they did
milk Rossi for his IP and then rush away to improve upon it and left him
Lanthanum has a low work function which can be lowered even further if
oxygen is added. Lanthanum oxide is now used in welding rods to replace
thorium because of its low work function(2.5 eV). The powder used in this
experiment may be contaminated with oxygen. This might indicate that low
work
This paper is deceiving . especially if one is interested in nano Ni-H.
and it is not in any relevant way comparable to Rossi. There is NO
indication of excess heat, even though they use very heavy deuterium
enrichment, which probably supplies all of the radiation seen, and even then
it is not
I have a suspicion that the future will not be without design flaws or Murphy's
influence. Very improbable things occur all the time and will continue to
plague us.
The mere fact that some of these crafts crashed might suggest that there are
very many of them flying around. But a counter
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:26 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I understand your position Jed. You point is well taken about the need for
verification of the data by independent organizations but I feel that any
data at this time is better than none. I plan to operate under the
Nord Stream is 1200 km long, 1200 mm wide and transfers 55 billion m^3 of
gas per year. At 150 bar that's 10 m/s. And pumping that amount consumes
the power 170 MW. The power content of the gas flow compares to 70 GW.
Where is all heat going in the compression stage of the gas? The gas (with
Along with his Behemoth:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=257289961053144set=a.257289254386548.58520.255415831240557type=3permPage=1
http://goo.gl/p4DIl
Keep hitting Next. Some good ones of The Engineer. None of The
Architect (re: Matrix).
Thanks to the moles.
T
This again looks like the exact same container at the exact same spot as
from last october. Shouldn't this one have been shipped by now?
Wolf
Along with his Behemoth:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=257289961053144set=a.257289254386548.58520.255415831240557type=3permPage=1
They're from february... nothing new here.
2012/7/17 Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de
This again looks like the exact same container at the exact same spot as
from last october. Shouldn't this one have been shipped by now?
Wolf
Sorry, my bad.
They're from february... nothing new here.
2012/7/17 Wolf Fischer wolffisc...@gmx.de mailto:wolffisc...@gmx.de
This again looks like the exact same container at the exact same
spot as from last october. Shouldn't this one have been shipped by
now?
Wolf
Well, guys, I am astonished at this sudden outburst of comments on the issue.
First, I keep Peter in high regard as a honest person.
Second we are ssem to be looking forward to ICCF-17, and what DGTG has to say.
Weaseling out could be
a) DGT makes a poster-sesson
b) to hide behind commercial
Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com
mailto:gwildgru...@ymail.com wrote:
The simplest thing would be to show a working Hyperion during the
two days. not disclosing anything.
It would be easy to set up such a demonstration, because their
claimed COP is above any doubt, and this
The pumps will be multistage and intercooled to reduce compression costs,
the temperature will never get that high.
With that size pipe and pressure I can see why pipe breaks are so
devastating.
On 17 July 2012 20:29, David Jonsson davidjonssonswe...@gmail.com wrote:
Nord Stream is 1200 km
Huh ?
Oh! Couldn't be mm. Meters?
Ol' Bab
On 7/17/2012 3:29 PM, David Jonsson wrote:
Nord Stream is 1200 km long, 1200 mm wide and transfers 55 billion m^3
of gas per year. At 150 bar that's 10 m/s. And pumping that amount
consumes the power 170 MW. The power content of the gas flow
Eric,
Never mind. Entirely my mistake.
I totally forgot to include gammas released during the neutron captures.
These can be significant.
--- Lou Pagnucco
I wrote --
Eric,
You may be correct, but using data from Wikipedia's Isotopes of nickel
page at URL --
Robots and LENR could take down China…
It doesn’t really matter where those robots are deployed; robots cost the
same to install and run because they cost the same no matter where the
factory is located especially when the power that drives them is almost
free.
Cheap labor is no longer a
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Bastiaan Bergman
bastiaan.berg...@gmail.com wrote:
In addition to
oxidation/reduction/melting cycles I believe carbon may play a role as
it is active in oxidation and reduction reactions and reported to work
in other LENR experiments (Lesley Case). K2CO3 is
LENR will kill jobs by the millions. The LENR production factory will be
completely automated. Only robots will populate these places. The sales of
products will be done on Amazon.com. The distribution of product will be
highly if not completely automated. If there is a thousand people employed
in
Akira +1
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Akira Shirakawa
shirakawa.ak...@gmail.comwrote:
On 2012-07-17 17:56, Ron Kita wrote:
Not sure IF this was posted before:
http://www.e-catworld.com/**2012/07/brian-ahern-to-**announce-nanonickel-
There are other companies presenting LENR systems, such as Vibronic Energy
Technology Corp.
cnse.albany.edu/download/*Vibronic*_*Energy*_*Technologies*.pdf
Oh, damn! That`s Brians company! Sorry!
2012/7/18 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com
There are other companies presenting LENR systems, such as Vibronic Energy
Technology Corp.
cnse.albany.edu/download/*Vibronic*_*Energy*_*Technologies*.pdf
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:38 PM, pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:
Never mind. Entirely my mistake.
I totally forgot to include gammas released during the neutron captures.
These can be significant.
No worries. I think the neutron capture reactions will result in
characteristic radiation that
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