MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
FYI, I was just using Franklin and the Royal Society as an example… not
literally.
You can use it literally. He was a member of the Society. They awarded him
the Copley Medal in 1753, and made him a Fellow in 1756, when he was still
living in
In corporate engineering you notice that relative regression.
Data can be exchanged in seconds, designs can be simulated in days,
however the regulation has became so complex, the workflow so long,
involving so many fearful executives, so higher executives, that things get
slow, until all is
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
In corporate engineering you notice that relative regression.
Data can be exchanged in seconds, designs can be simulated in days,
however the regulation has became so complex, the workflow so long,
involving so many fearful executives, so higher
.
In the proper context, the complex can be quite simple, even trivial.
Guenter
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Alain
On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
In those days the Society proceedings resembled this forum rather than a
modern journal. They were a catch-all discussion group for anything of
interest to Natural Philosophy (science).
Nice observation. I love the
regulations and politics a limiting factor.
Ron
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Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote
Jed said:
Regarding Franklin and the speed of communication, I wonder if the
Proceedings of the Royal Society for 1750s are on line?
Axil replies:
The difference between then and now is that the words streaming forth from
the “Proceedings of the Royal Society” would now be available to
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
The difference between then and now is that the words streaming forth from
the “Proceedings of the Royal Society” would now be available to thousands
of the interested as each one rolled out of Franken’s articulate mouth.
That is exactly what happened in
MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
I couldn’t disagree more… seriously, hundreds or thousands of years? ***
*
** **
Once the scientific community (both academic and corporate) realizes that
a whole new field of science is being born, they will dive in to understand
it and
I agree with Mark,
People will not have to learn LENR, they will just replace/upgrade their
existing HVAC equipment with a device that happens to produce electricity
also and reduces their bill - no brainer.
Information access is much easier today with the internet and will aid in
the
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with Mark,
People will not have to learn LENR, they will just replace/upgrade their
existing HVAC equipment with a device that happens to produce electricity
also and reduces their bill - no brainer.
That would be the energy application
Da Vinci knew that man would someday have flying machines.
I wonder how long he thought it would take. ;-)
Harry
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with Mark,
People will not have to learn LENR,
I agree, but it is the minimum.
However ther is no limit to stupidity, and some zone might forbid it...
(For example, France, Germany, Europe). Not as a conspiracy, but for
quasi-religious reason, like it is done in EU. add that the lobbying of old
monopolies (think about Russian supporting
a processor for $200.
-Mark
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MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
I couldn't disagree more
Workers in China Face Competition from Robots
Da Vinci knew that man would someday have flying machines.
I wonder how long he thought it would take. ;-)
Harry
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Chemical Engineer cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with Mark
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Da Vinci knew that man would someday have flying machines.
I wonder how long he thought it would take. ;-)
Harry
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 1:25 PM
MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
- **Until the advent of the telegraph and radio, the spread of
knowledge was EXTREMELY SLOW. Communications across the Atlantic took
months, so two scientists debating their ideas on theories, or two
engineers discussing the design of a
In only a few more years, a LENR developer will be able to run quantum
mechanical nuclear system simulations on his quantum computer app using his
iPhone 10. All while he attends a meeting in persons at least virtually as
a hologram.
In a short time, we have come a long way from the heady days of
creation,
and even sell it to some Australian licensee.
Will be interesting how this plays out.
Guenter
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MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
- Until the advent of the telegraph and radio, the spread of
knowledge
MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Now we have another process to go thru in order to publish:
**- **he takes a week or two to write it up and sends it to the
editor in England (6 weeks)
**- **the editor then sends copies to peers who have the
expertise
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MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
Now we have another process to go thru in order to publish:
- he takes a week or two
Hi!
What most people seem to not consider while assessing LENR's impact on
world's economy is energy's major role in our financial system.
With very, very few exceptions (most notably, Japan and South Korea) large
energy companies are the backbones of our stock markets. Everywhere, oil,
gas,
some interesting analysis.
however about taxes, the analysis is short sighted.
if you save 10% of cost for all the economy, the tax on fuel will be no
problems.
tax on sales, work, incomes, can replace that.
tax on fuel are ther not to get money, but to pay the externalities of
foreign resources.
On 7/19/2012 9:48 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:42 PM, David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.com wrote:
Lacking -at this moment- your book, I plunge ahead anyway...
It's a quick, free download:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusiona.pdf
T
Thank you !!
I was
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Hi!Cheers! World revolution is coming.
I've rethough about my simple rough analysis of Energy being 10% of all
cost in economy.
in fact situation is much worse, I see it at Home (I try a micro economic
reasoning).
not only I pay more than 1 thousands euro a year to warm house and water,
but to avoid paying 3 thousands, I, and the
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
I've rethough about my simple rough analysis of Energy being 10% of all
cost in economy.
I have talked about the potential economic effects with many experts. I
conclude that it is darn near impossible to estimate the impact or likely
course of
Jed wrote:
2. At the level of energy, the economy and technology are so complex no
expert can sort out the inputs and outputs, or the effect of change. You
might estimate the impact of an improved washing machine. You might even
predict the impact of an effective vaccine for AIDS. But when you
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:51 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:
When you consider all the political and economic power-centers in the
world, and the alliances or lack thereof, and the dire financial
circumstances all over the planet, trying to make any predictions with that
level
Jed: you fully grasped the total implications of LENR.
Even simple things such as spoons, which have not changed much in
appearance for around 200 years, have changed profoundly in ways we cannot
see, in the manufacturing phase. They will soon change again, with the
introduction of 3-D replicator
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
In the not so distant future, water will enters a robotic custom product
production plant as feedstock via a pipe and a purpose build custom product
will roll off the production line of the local plant as a finalized
manufactured article without ever
Well, with carbon, hydrogen and oxygen, you can make pretty much all
the organics you need . . . with free energy.
T
for the masses.
-Mark
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Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
In the not so distant future, water will enters
Your message remind me that serie of article.
It is more focussed on EU, and for now, sadly, they apocalyptic prediction
have been more or less confirmed (with some delay... politicians seems good
in delaying)
I let you read that
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
Your message remind me that serie of article.
It is more focussed on EU, and for now, sadly, they apocalyptic prediction
have been more or less confirmed . . .
That is silly. The U.S. has been through much worse crises than it
presently faces, in
possible, but current problems seems not to be economic,
but of structural political stability (bipartisan system)...
anyway problems create the organ.
With Eurozone situation seemed locked between facts and rigidity; anyway
with crisis getting more and more real and ridiculous, everybody starts
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
possible, but current problems seems not to be economic,
but of structural political stability (bipartisan system)...
True. But these problems are nothing compared to what they were from 1860
to 1865, when we killed 650,000 people in the Civil War.
with the citizens while they 'play politics' to
gain a majority.
-Mark
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Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com
On 7/18/2012 11:08 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
...
I suggest you read my book, chapters 14 and 15 especially. I show why
cold fusion will probably reduce electric power costs by two-thirds
quickly, and why eventually it will reduce all energy costs --
including equipment costs -- by orders of
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:42 PM, David L Babcock ol...@rochester.rr.com wrote:
Lacking -at this moment- your book, I plunge ahead anyway...
It's a quick, free download:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJcoldfusiona.pdf
T
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 18 Jul 2012 00:05:18 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Did you ever think about all the people who make a living in the energy
business? All of todays energy workers: the coal miners, oil workers, gas
station attendants, gas drillers, pipeline workers, sycophant
LENR will not kill jobs by itself, and robots will be even more needed for
more expensive energy sources like wind turbines... that is not specific to
LENR.
The more expensive it is, the more the automation is needed.
as any productivity increase it will challenge the social organization,
whether
LENR will make jobs mostly uneeded. That's simple. You can have a closed
structure to make crops and get you food for free. If you want any luxury,
just some freelance will make the required money.
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
LENR will kill jobs by the millions. The LENR production factory will be
completely automated. Only robots will populate these places.
True.
The sales of products will be done on Amazon.com.
I doubt that. I think most cold fusion devices will be built
Ah! It's soapbox time! Let me step on top of mine!
I suspect that if the prospects of robotics and LENR, or one of the
LENR cousins, pans out in the near future the concept of what money
represents to individuals, companies, and government circles will also
have to evolve with the times. Perhaps
These plutocrats will strongly resist their fall from power; maintaining
their position is their agenda. And how can economics functions without
money? I will all be interesting to watch.
Cheers: Axil
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:16 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
just to guive data
I've made some quick computation
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=3t=27p=1139#p1139
since energy is $5-7Tn and GDP is $70Tn, the potential saving on energy is
around 10%,
that you can interpret as productivity increase.
The replacement of world energy source is estimated
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
It will be important shock, but not so huge. at most 10%
of course you can expect that the technology will become even cheaper, but
even if LENR get to zero, the turbines, cooling and alike will stay as
expensive (and I have under estimated their
I do not think this message went through . . .
Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com mailto:janap...@gmail.com wrote:
LENR will kill jobs by the millions. The LENR production factory
will be completely automated. Only robots will populate these places.
True.
The sales of products will be
LENR will create lots of new products and create industries where there are
none today.
Money is just a vehicle for goods and services to change hands and as long
as capitalism remains that won't change.
Just cooling off the oceans and removing CO2 from the atmosphere will be
one new industry...
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Of Alain Sepeda
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just to guive data
I've made some quick computation
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=3
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=3t=27p
will adapt; financial
markets will adapt…
-Mark
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just
Sepeda
Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:02 AM
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just to guive data
I've made some quick computation
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=3t=27p=1139#p1139
since energy is $5-7Tn and GDP is $70Tn
Workers in China Face Competition from Robots
just to guive data
I've made some quick computation
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=3t=27p=1139#p1139
since energy is $5-7Tn and GDP is $70Tn, the potential saving on energy is
around 10%,
that you can interpret as productivity increase
Workers in China Face Competition from Robots
just to guive data
I've made some quick computation
http://www.lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=3t=27p=1139#p1139
since energy is $5-7Tn and GDP is $70Tn, the potential saving on energy is
around 10%,
that you can interpret as productivity increase
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Long term deflation?
Harry
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
wrote:
Alain wrote:
“since energy is $5-7Tn and GDP is $70Tn, the potential saving on energy
is
around 10%”
“maybe I miss
I hope so, and I feel that today energy cost is felt as a master parameter.
It is just that it seems that it is only 10% of the produced good value...
It is just a confilt between what my eyes see, and what the consensus seems
to be... In that domain my intuition is not good enough to have a
Much of our quality of life in the developed world has been enchanced
tremendously due to fossil fuel usage:
Fossil fuels, such as coal, natural gas, and oil, were not used as a source
of energy until the latter half of the 19th century. Prior to that, wind
and water power were used for
In any event, the current notion of austerity is nonsense and is tied to
a tired and outdated concept that money is real or has some intrinsic
real value which it doesn't. Austerity = Stupidity and I think every so
often we as a society have to go through stretches of it before we
remember
Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
In any event, the current notion of austerity is nonsense and is tied to a
tired and outdated concept that money is real or has some intrinsic real
value which it doesn't. Austerity = Stupidity . . .
I know little about economics, but I agree. It
Robots and LENR could take down China…
It doesn’t really matter where those robots are deployed; robots cost the
same to install and run because they cost the same no matter where the
factory is located especially when the power that drives them is almost
free.
Cheap labor is no longer a
LENR will kill jobs by the millions. The LENR production factory will be
completely automated. Only robots will populate these places. The sales of
products will be done on Amazon.com. The distribution of product will be
highly if not completely automated. If there is a thousand people employed
in
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