Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Jed. "His refusal to allow access to the customer site tells you he is running a scam." "Their statement about blocking the door to the customer convinces me. " AA. Jed, you have made much of Rossi's refusal to allow IH to visit the customer's plant. Now that statement looks very misleading

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

a.ashfield wrote: > AA. Jed, you have made much of Rossi's refusal to allow IH to visit the > customer's plant. Now that statement looks very misleading unless you have > some evidence that Rossi lied about it being IH's written agreement. > I have no knowledge of

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

Jed. "I have no knowledge of this alleged agreement, but I know that Rossi constantly lies about all kinds of things, including me. However, as I pointed out above, even if there were such an agreement, any sensible person would agree to modify it when the I.H. expert insisted he needed

Re: [Vo]:Validity of E-Cat 1 MW plant test

a.ashfield wrote: > Whether the output is dry steam depends largely on the temperature, which > is also easy to measure. So if the temperature was say 120C, it would be > dry. The temperature was just over 100 deg C according to Rossi. Do the number from the interview

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Jed, Assuming Rossi (and others) are guilty before the trial is not the American way. Or do you prefer Napoleonic law?

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Jed you say you know the data but have to keep them secret. Correct? Can you please tell the most 'innocent' ones- the daily consumes of electric energy from the grid by the 1MW plant? peter On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > a.ashfield

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Peter Gluck wrote: Jed you say you know the data but have to keep them secret. > Correct? > Rossi himself revealed some of the most important details in his interview with Lewan. His numbers show that the temperature was close to 100 deg C. With just a little pressure, a

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Jed, There is a difference between saying "in my opinion Rossi is a fraud" and a statement of fact, that you have made several times. "Rossi is a fraud." For the latter you could be sued for libel in court.

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

This chimney sizing link doesn't really apply --- it's for natural draft up a chimney of a given height and diameter -- WITHOUT a fan. (The longer the chimney the higher velocity of the draft, so a given diameter can exhaust more heat. They recommend " The velocity of air and flue gas in a

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

On 21/05/2016 11:13 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Once again people have claimed you can release 1 MW with no ill effects in a small facility, without industrial scale ventilation. People should apply some common sense metrics! Rossi says the facility is 6,500 sq. feet. Conventional heating calls

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Back-of-the-envelope calculation I'm going to look at a column of air of volume V -- with area A ... and a height H sufficient to hold 1-second's worth of 1MW of heat. This has to be vented in 1 second. 1MW is 1000 kJ /second. Q = 1000 kJ in one second Specific heat of air at 100C is 1 kJ

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > > 4. Apply some common sense. Ask yourself: what other reason would Rossi > have to refuse admittance, other than the fact that there is no 1 MW > machine, and no ventilation system or other means of getting rid of

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

There isn't evidence for almost everything besides words from IH and Rossi/Lewan. But the area required for cooling is small, so I don't think that this point is a big issue. 2016-05-21 16:56 GMT-03:00 David Roberson : > Is there evidence for the existence of an input opening

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

The point is that this thread's title : "1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal" is false. On the contract point, re-read the IH/Rossi contract

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Correction ... the photos on that page were lower CFM ... 36 to 42 inch diameter, not so teeny tiny. eg http://www.industrialfansdirect.com/IND-FA-EF-PM-A/LFI-ADD36T11000B.html 30K CFM, 36 inch From: "Alan Fletcher" That's a teeny tiny little fan!

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

And that's assuming the air is vented directly from the machine to the fan. It would actually rise by convection, spread over the whole ceiling, and lose a lot of heat through the roof. I think this puts it WAY below the "fatal" level. From: "Daniel Rocha" To:

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

> Rossi himself revealed some of the most important details in his interview > with Lewan. His numbers show that the temperature was close to 100 deg C. I can't find that statement in Lewan's interview :

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Air must come into the building to replace the heated air that is exhausted. Is there evidence for the existence of an input opening adequate to achieve this requirement? Are all the doors and windows closed? Dave -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

​It seems to me the doctrine of ​u nconscionability ​could be used by IH in their defense although it would be inconsistent with their claim of having performed due diligence. ​ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscionability​ ​<< Unconscionability ​ ​ (sometimes known as unconscionable

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

John wrote: > Your assumption that all the power used by the customer's plant must end > up in heat in the room is not valid. A quick search of J.M Products Corp > indicates that they are in the chemicals business - wholesale and > *manufacturing*. I am not a chemist but

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

​I wrote: > ​It seems to me the doctrine of ​u > nconscionability > ​could be used by IH in their defense although it would be inconsistent > with their claim of having performed due diligence. > > ​Actually, it says only a judge can rule on unconscionability and since the trial (I think) is by

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

H LV wrote: 4. Apply some common sense. Ask yourself: what other reason would Rossi >> have to refuse admittance, other than the fact that there is no 1 MW >> machine, and no ventilation system or other means of getting rid of the >> waste heat? Can you propose ANY reason

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Alan Fletcher wrote: The roof has one circular roof fan at the left, and a rectangular box at > the other. > I believe the box on the right is a skylight window. We are talking about this photo, which I think was taken in 2014. That's when the street view photos were taken.

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

That's a surprisingly small volume. The machine has one of its smaller dimensions 3 meters. So, even 1.5m/s per second at one end would cool the device. 2016-05-21 15:51 GMT-03:00 Alan Fletcher : > Back-of-the-envelope calculation > > I'm going to look at a column of air of volume

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Previous link was for wall-mounted fans. I think the sub-unit has two roof fans, so 2 * 16K CFM 36 inch fans would do the job. eg http://www.industrialfansdirect.com/IND-FA-R-TXB/SP-TXB36RHULWH3S.html From: "Alan Fletcher" To: "vortex-l" Sent: Saturday,

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Why do you assume there were no tubes taking the heat through the ceiling. Even in the 10/28/2011 1MW there were. And indeed, there was a model of fan similar to the smallest model displayed on the site you gave the link. At least that I could see in the video by Mats Lewan. 2016-05-21 16:37

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

a.ashfield wrote: > There is a difference between saying "in my opinion Rossi is a fraud" and > a statement of fact, that you have made several times. "Rossi is a fraud." Okay, let me put it this way: The evidence that he is a fraud is now overwhelming in my opinion.

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

The roof has one circular roof fan at the left, and a rectangular box at the other. Presuming that the manufacturing area was was adjacent to JM's offices (on the left) the left-most circular fan vents the manufacturing area. Heres the fan : http://lenr.qumbu.com/steampics/160521_fans_01.jpg

[Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Once again people have claimed you can release 1 MW with no ill effects in a small facility, without industrial scale ventilation. People should apply some common sense metrics! Rossi says the facility is 6,500 sq. feet. Conventional heating calls for no more than 20 BTU/sq. ft. in Florida.

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

a.ashfield wrote: > Assuming Rossi (and others) are guilty before the trial is not the > American way. > This only applies to the courts and the legal system. A citizen outside the legal system is free to decide someone is guilty or innocent. That is no violation of

[Vo]:was my editorial of yesterday a complete failure?

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/05/may-21-2016-lenr-was-my-yesterdays.html I do not consider personal failures as unusual or extraordinary or bad events However regarding my editorial about LENR history published yesterday- yes it was about a partial failure- but is it a complete falure

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Jed. "Once again people have claimed you can release 1 MW with no ill effects in a small facility, without industrial scale ventilation. People should apply some common sense metrics!" Jed, I gave you one example from first hand experience, that was a 1.5 ton/day art glass furnace and

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

a.ashfield wrote: > Jed, I gave you one example from first hand experience, that was a 1.5 > ton/day art glass furnace and someone else provided examples of 4 MW > boilers. So common sense tells me it is not unreasonable to do so. > How much power did your glass

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Jed, If, as likely, the output of the E-Cats was not much above 100C, one would need some provision to ensure there wasn't excessive water carry over. Indeed without that the whole system might fill with liquid. Until shown otherwise I expect that was done. I also expect the steam to be

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

a.ashfield wrote: > Your claim that the heat released from the 1 MW plant would be fatal has > been shot down. > That was not my claim. You are making a straw-man argument. My claim was that without industrial grade ventilation, when you heat a space with 26 times more

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Jed, if I understand you right the world is full of idiots and scammers and potential jailbirds. All technical skepticism you have been provided are done by people without common sense. You obviously have more information than anyone else (only from IH?) and that means your opinion is the one that

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Jed, Your claim that the heat released from the 1 MW plant would be fatal has been shot down. Likewise, your certainty of fraud because Rossi was the one who prevented IH from visiting the customer. Your other evidence of fraud seem to come mainly from what IH has told you. Before

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Alan Fletcher wrote: The point is that this thread's title : "1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. > facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal" is false. > Are you saying this would not be true? Are you saying that putting 25 heaters into an enclosed room with no fan,

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

I accept your claim that 1MW in an un-ventilated, insulated room would be fatal. But that is not the case : a 30,000 CPM is sufficient to ventilate it, and there is a fan (of similar dimensions to one particular example) on the roof. (Plus convective loss, which would reduce the need for

Re: [Vo]:Re: Anyone can "steal" IP from a patent

No Jed, My motto is ,there is always two possibilities. I an sure you have found the only thing that contradict that statment. You may have inside information but you have claim for having THE answer. On May 21, 2016 13:32, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: H LV

Re: [Vo]:Validity of E-Cat 1 MW plant test

On 22 May 2016 1:04 AM, "Jed Rothwell" wrote: > The temperature was just over 100 deg C according to Rossi. Where did you get this quote from Rossi?

Re: [Vo]:Validity of E-Cat 1 MW plant test

Patrick Ellul wrote: > > The temperature was just over 100 deg C according to Rossi. > > Where did you get this quote from Rossi? > You can compute that from what he told Lewan. See: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: CONTRIBUTION FROM V. VYSOTSKII, NEW DISPUTE GENERATOR LAUNCHED It is

Re: [Vo]:1 MW of heat in a 6,500 sq. ft. facility without industrial ventilation would be fatal

Alan Fletcher wrote: I accept your claim that 1MW in an un-ventilated, insulated room would be > fatal. > > But that is not the case : a 30,000 CPM is sufficient to ventilate it, and > there is a fan (of similar dimensions to one particular example) on the > roof. (Plus convective