OK, I did not think it might confuse users, the label needs to be changed.
It's of course not intended to use in statements which have no value, it's
just an attempt to express wikibase data model in Wikidata.
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q16354757 is not Wikibase Data model :)
I changed the
Hehe, we should picture this idea in help page :)
https://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q1061035
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1061035 is not a pipe.
2015-04-23 9:50 GMT+02:00 Stas Malyshev smalys...@wikimedia.org:
Hi!
OK, I did not think it might confuse users, the label needs to be
changed.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
Sorry for being dense.. What is wrong with there being no value ? Having a
no value is imho understanding only a complication of saying nothing...
Why not say nothing in the first place ?
It is important
Hi!
OK, I did not think it might confuse users, the label needs to be changed.
Yes, I think it should made clear that it should not be used for actual
values.
It's of course not intended to use in statements which have no value,
it's just an attempt to express wikibase data model in
Hoi,
Sorry for being dense.. What is wrong with there being no value ? Having a
no value is imho understanding only a complication of saying nothing...
Why not say nothing in the first place ?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 22 April 2015 at 21:52, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org
wrote:
Don't use Q19798647 The item is just a description of the concept ! on
Wikidata, there is a way to set an unknow value to a claim.
here is how to set this special value on a claim in the UI, in french : to
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikidata_pas_de_valeur.png
You must click to the
Hoi,
For me it is obvious ... this search for perfection is an enemy of what is
good in Wikidata. It destroys the results of queries. It is not usable and
it is only of use in a very small percentage of cases.
Compare it with the female mayor question. Our issue is that we have not
enough data in
You should ask the people that are at this time developping it, and Lydia,
how they will handle this. Because they will, it's in the Wikibase
DataModel, the same as qualifiers.
We will probably be provided with options on how we want to handle ranks,
unknown values and so on when we will build a
In wikidata, the absence of a claim about something cannot mean the claim
has no couterpart in reality, as Wikidata is an will always be incomplete.
For example if we have a series, maybe finished, maybe unfinished, we wil
have claims that says:
Episode 2 follows Episode 1
Episode 3 follows
Hey :)
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:46 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote:
I think it is useful in the way you describe it, but I am curious how you
would model the source B saying that X had no child
Like this: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q4115189oldid=212444514
Cheers
Hoi,
A question about the example... does that second source really care about
this and what do we do when we know this to be incorrect. It is bad enough
to want to know about the sum of all knowledge, I do not care for present
and past mistakes.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 23 April 2015 at 12:15,
You should read the helpages Gerard sometimes :)
This is on the Wikidata plan since the beginning, it is usable since the
beginning, and it will be queryable ... I really don't understand what
bothers you.
2015-04-23 12:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
Hoi,
For me it is
So the intention is to use Q19798647 as a random place holder specifically
for Wikibase entities without a value, but not as a no value placeholder
for a person? I think it is useful in the way you describe it, but I am
curious how you would model the source B saying that X had no child
On Thu,
Hoi,
That does not clarify it. So what would we say ... it is in dispute sure
but the way we work is that we have a child as a known person. So sources
may dispute to their hearts content.. It is a relation that goes both
ways.. How do we say novalue because it has to be a person ... John Doe
does
This is a question of point of vue and how to solves conflicted
declaration, way larger than this. There could be disputes other who is
really the father of something, this would be the same.
such a statement in Wikidata means:
* This source says that this person has no child
* This (other)
On 23.04.2015 12:25, Thomas Douillard wrote:
This is a question of point of vue and how to solves conflicted
declaration, way larger than this. There could be disputes other who is
really the father of something, this would be the same.
such a statement in Wikidata means:
* This source says
Hi, there is items about Wikibase data model in Wikidata (created by me,
but not only)
If I understand correctly, they could be cited in the semantic web as
https://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q19798647
(If they are kept /o\)
Tom²
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Hi!
Hi, there is items about Wikibase data model in Wikidata (created by me,
but not only)
If I understand correctly, they could be cited in the semantic web as
https://www.wikidata.org/entity/Q19798647
What would be the purpose of these items? I.e., what is the intended usage?
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