Medyk,
You clearly dont understand forms, i can tell by the way you said you dont
understand what a fieldset is for.
Before i go any further, ill say again, follow the standards set. In my
article i quoted a quote from W3C that says, tables should not be used for
layout purposes but for tabular
Steve Olive wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007 11:19:46 pm Hassan Schroeder wrote:
Parker, Simi (DPS) wrote:
I am investigating some potential issues with our live broadcasting
service and if you use an O/S / browser / media player configuration
other than Windows / Internet Explorer / Windows Media
I *want* to like Drupal. I really do.
When it's working, it's a beautiful thing. But I've recently had a lot
of trouble installing the recent version. So much trouble that I gave up
on it :(
Lucien.
Lucien Stals
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Raine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/05/07 3:30 PM
I love WordPress.
I
Tim wrote:
For some reason my membership of WANAU has been lost, ignored or denied
by the WANAU moderator.
I get the impression that WANAU is a university thing, and perhaps
membership is restricted to university people (staff and students, etc).
You should take that up with WANAU
Notepad.
Best,
editpad
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I *want* to like Drupal. I really do.
same here
When it's working, it's a beautiful thing. But I've recently had a lot
of trouble installing the recent version. So much trouble that I gave up
on it :(
I gave up because it was too slow on a high-traffic site on a busy shared
server
You put:
Using form doesn't exclude use of list or table
To me thats telling me 'oh yes you can use a table or list' The only time i
said
a table is fine forms is if its a dynamic spreadsheet or a calander.
Ive demonstrated the use of forms without tables, and when i get time i will
create an
No it is not a University only thing
The network is an informal group of university people who share a
common interest in the network's objectives. Our members include:
* disability support staff
* technical staff
* web and instructional designers
* academics and teaching staff
I also use Fireworks, primarily as I like the combination of vector and
bitmap abilities during the mock-up stages. I too sketch a lot of ideas
on paper first.
Hi there,
Just a quick one - what do people most commonly mock up web site
designs in? (Photoshop?) Also, if possible, Linux and GPL
On 24 May 2007, at 00:22:42, Douglas Reith wrote:
Hi there,
Just a quick one - what do people most commonly mock up web site
designs in? (Photoshop?)
Also, if possible, Linux and GPL or similar would be great!!
Cheers,
Doug
Being Just a Coder, my usual workflow is:
1. Receive Photoshop
Jamie Collins wrote:
You put:
Using form doesn't exclude use of list or table
To me thats telling me 'oh yes you can use a table or list' The only
time i said
a table is fine forms is if its a dynamic spreadsheet or a calander.
Of course you can use table or list within form as this is what
Hi all,
I have been going through the emails on this topic and I can identify with
most of them.
Thanks Nick for your thoughts on mocking up web interfaces - it really
brightened my day and James for the info on Fireworks, which I hadn't even
heard of!
Elaine
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David Laakso wrote
Notepad.
Me too. In my head I establish the looks of the design have a feel for
colors, and know of some images, or a good idea of what I want in the end
anyway (I can see the final product in my mind's eye), but I don't mock it
up. I go right to Notepad and begin the
Bottom line is Yes you Can use a Table if its appropriate, but you cannot
use a table
to layout your form.
As for lists, if its a list, the yes you can contain your form in a list.
We are talking about people abusing this and using lists and tables when not
needed.
On 5/24/07, Mariusz Nowak
Mariusz Nowak wrote:
And other way - where it is written in
specs that forms cannot contain tabular
data? I would never use tables for anything
else as for tabular data.. and it may
happen that form constitutes tabular data.
In such case I think we should use table
element to structure
Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
I think may be some confusion, Mariusz, because so far this discussion has
been about putting a form in a separate structure such as a table or dl to
contain or organize the form, not about putting a structure (like a table)
in a form. It's the latter you seem to
On Behalf Of Nick Fitzsimons
Being Just a Coder, my usual workflow is:
1. Receive Photoshop files created by client's graphic designer, who
has no knowledge of web technologies, no understanding of usability,
no interest in accessibility, and thinks everything is the same as
print media;
First get a feel for the content, play around with different ways of
presenting it using a graphics app and or sketching- i use illustrator.
The presentation should come naturally from the needs of the content -
web standards practices support this way of working.
When the illustrator file
Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote:
For a definition list I could only really come up with three examples:
1) A glossary
2) FAQs
3) An interview transcript (when combined with blockquotes).
(All have a sort of QA thing goin' on.)
Does a form not have a sort of QA going on then!? I think you gave
I have happily used and hosted Moveable Type (
http://www.sixapart.com/movabletype/) on my small servers for years. The
updates when they come out install easily too and had no real learning
curve. The templates are easy to customize to compliant, accessible xhtml.
Susan
On 5/24/07, Michael
Thanks for the response, despite my unintentional post. I'm so glad I did
post here since the blog really needs to be accessible and fluid. I'm even
more scared than I was before I 'knew' anything! PHP and MySQL I figured
I'd have to deal with, but LAMP and such?? Yikes. I shall carve out a
Sander Aarts wrote:
Does a form not have a sort of QA going on then!?
Hello Sander,
If one tries hard enough, it seems anything can be considered a list of
sorts.
For example: A web page is a list of headings and content paragraphs, but we
wouldn't use a list to layout an entire web page,
Thierry Koblentz wrote:
On Behalf Of Nick Fitzsimons
Being Just a Coder, my usual workflow is:
1. Receive Photoshop files created by client's graphic designer, who
has no knowledge of web technologies, no understanding of usability,
no interest in accessibility, and thinks everything is the
Hello Mike,
Mike at Green-Beast.com schreef:
If one tries hard enough, it seems anything can be considered a list of
sorts.
That might be true, but I hope you will agree that it's easier to
consider a form being a list than a whole page.
A form is a list of controls and their related
On Behalf Of Nick Fitzsimons
Being Just a Coder, my usual workflow is:
1. Receive Photoshop files created by client's graphic designer, who
has no knowledge of web technologies, no understanding of usability,
no interest in accessibility, and thinks everything is the same as
print media;
2.
I found these awhile back and was hoping to roll something similar
back into my css framework:
http://dnevnikeklektika.com/uni-form/
I know that forms are a b*tch to get looking even slightly good on all
browsers, but frankly, tables are an old dog and dl's are just younger
dogs. Field sets are
Hi Everyone
We are trying to put together a map of Australia where the states appear on
hover and are clickable.
As I understand it, the hover state can't be used in area so I wonder if
there is a way to display the States on hover without using javascript?
Has anybody seen or created way of
sure...
google = imagemap
Felisimina Jom wrote:
Hi Everyone
We are trying to put together a map of Australia where the states
appear on hover and are clickable.
As I understand it, the hover state can't be used in area so I
wonder if there is a way to display the States on hover without
Hi Felisimina,
Try this tutorial-
http://www.cssplay.co.uk/menu/index.html
Scroll to the bottom of the Demos page to view tutorials on Image Maps
(all CSS).
Adeline
Felisimina Jom wrote:
Hi Everyone
We are trying to put together a map
of Australia where
Hi ,
although I think that placing the label text before the field instead of
above makes it even more accessible for the avarage visitor, especcially
if the form tends to be long
All the research I have read claims labels being above the field results
in the greatest useability.
On 25 May 2007, at 11:44 AM, Felisimina Jom wrote:
We are trying to put together a map of Australia where the states
appear on hover and are clickable.
As I understand it, the hover state can't be used in area so I
wonder if there is a way to display the States on hover without using
You could probably use this techique:
http://alistapart.com/articles/sprites
On Fri, 25 May 2007 11:44:15 +1000, Felisimina Jom
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Everyone
We are trying to put together a map of Australia where the states appear
on hover and are clickable.
As I understand
re - Has anybody seen or created way of displaying States on hover
using CSS only?
Hi Felisimina,
have a look at the front of http://www.domain.com.au/
i worked on a previous version a while ago (so dont shoot me for any
other code on the site ;-)
it uses a sprite image for the hover - check
Hi ,
Use css to change the offset of the background image, this technique can
be combined with a text replacement (negative text indent in thie case) to
provide accessible labels.
A simple example can be seen in the navigation on this page:
http://www.harmonynaturaltherapies.com/
which all
Brilliant!
Thanks to everyone who has responded already.
All have been very useful.
Felisimina
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From: John Faulds [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WSG] Map of Australia Image Map
You could
At 5/24/2007 07:10 PM, Peter Ottery wrote:
re - Has anybody seen or created way of displaying States on hover
using CSS only?
have a look at the front of http://www.domain.com.au/
Very nicely done. Of course the problem was made easier by the fact
that most of the borders between
Felisimina wrote:
We are trying to put together a map of
Australia where the states appear on
hover and are clickable.
As I understand it, the hover state can't
be used in area so I wonder if there is
a way to display the States on hover
without using javascript?
Hello Felisimina,
On 25 May 2007, at 1:22 PM, Tim wrote:
So what do you know about change management Nick?
Comment on the research Nick, stick to the issue instead of trying so
pathetically to belt me up.
The page is not intended for you Nick.
Take a bex and have a good lie down.
Tim
Reply made offlist as
Hello Mariusz,
substituting dt with label or
dd with input doesn't seem
right to me at all... you can't just swap
them
I'm not really saying to swap them. I'm not pro-list or -table for form
layout, I was just trying to pair the elements to show that form elements
can serve in the same way
and maybe you could have an anger management course while Nick is having
his lie down or maybe we could just leave personal attacks out of the
mailing list :)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 25/05/2007 11:22:12 am
So what do you know about change management Nick?
Comment on the research Nick, stick to
Paul Novitski schreef:
Of course the problem was made easier by the fact that most of the
borders between Australian states are on the horizontal or vertical, ...
Just what I thought. I whished that I lived in a country with borders
like that ;-) Often clicked myself instant RSI creating
Surely Wordpress (can't speak for Textpattern) will output whatever you
put into your templates, including doctype?
On Fri, 25 May 2007 13:55:47 +1000, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Following up on Lisa McLaughlin's recent query about blogging software,
I wonder if anyone can
Reply made offlist as debates of qualifications and recommended
medications are definitely OT.
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Agreed.
This thread is now closed as the majority of content appears to be OT, and
is certainly not conducive to helping anybody
This list is for discussing and debating web
Following up on Lisa McLaughlin's recent query about blogging software,
I wonder if anyone can help me find a CMS that lets me use Plain Old
Semantic HTML?
I'm not convinced XHTML is the wave of the future for web sites, but
cannot find a version of TextPattern or WordPress or the like that
does
On Fri, 25 May 2007 13:33:46 +1000, Nick Gleitzman wrote:
Reply made offlist as debates of qualifications and recommended
medications are definitely OT.
Thank you Nick.
This thread is closed - it wasn't really on topic originally, although
it showed some chance of morphing there.
Any
If the image is a map, and you want to link areas of it, then an image
map is the semantically correct solution. Faking them with lists and CSS
is no better than using tables for layout IMHO.
Geoff.
==
The
On 25 May 2007, at 1:58 PM, Lachlan Hardy wrote:
Reply made offlist as debates of qualifications and recommended
medications are definitely OT.
/* Admin */
Agreed.
This thread is now closed as the majority of content appears to be OT,
and is certainly not conducive to helping
The point of my comments, though, was what I have been saying all along. You
simply don't need additional structure to put a form on a page. All you need
are the form-related elements: Form, fieldset, legend, label, input
(varied), and textarea. Using these elements and CSS you can lay out a form
At 5/24/2007 09:14 PM, Sander Aarts wrote:
Paul Novitski schreef:
Of course the problem was made easier by the fact that most of the
borders between Australian states are on the horizontal or vertical, ...
Just what I thought. I whished that I lived in a country with
borders like that ;-)
Hi Guys,
I'm developing a website that have some standards defined. The font size
specified is 9pt. But due to accessibility standards I wanted to convert
that in % or em. Can anybody tell what do i need to use to view the same
size in different browsers?
--
:: Sagnik ::
Paul wrote:
Of course the problem was made easier by the fact
that most of the borders between Australian states are on the
horizontal or vertical, but you handled the major exception between
NSW and VIC excellently by expressing ACT as a strategically-placed
and -sized rectangle. Good work!
Hi ,
Setting the body to font size to 65% - 70% is a good start. this averages
out the differences between the browsers,
body { font-size: 70%;}
From then on set your font sizes in ems.
h1 {font-size: 1.8em;}
And keep in mind that changes to the em size will cascade through
container
On 5/25/07, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Following up on Lisa McLaughlin's recent query about blogging software,
I wonder if anyone can help me find a CMS that lets me use Plain Old
Semantic HTML?
POSH as a concept is not about HTML vs. XHTML, it's about using the correct
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