VACList-Digest Wednesday, October 3, 2001 Issue 81
Today's Topics:
1. Preparing Skin for Polishing
2. Pergo Floor Installation
3. Re: Top 'O Georgia Route
4. NADA Recreation Vehicle Appraisal Guide
5. Step Light
6. Re: Toilet Leak
7. Recent website additions
8. Control center problems
9. Bush RV Closing
10. Re: Control center problems
11. floor dry rot?
12. VAC RALLY at Top O'Georgia
13. Tow vehicles that seat 15
14. Re: floor dry rot?
15. Re: Tow vehicles that seat 15
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Message Number: 1
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:38:14 -0400
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Preparing Skin for Polishing
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Looking ahead a few weeks(?) to the time to begin polishing my =
Tradewind, what is the method for removing the various objects attached =
to the skin? I have the following to remove to simplify and expedite =
polishing:
1. Tradewind logo w/serial number to right of the door
2. Land Yacht raised script letters between tail lights
3. Various reflectors attached to the skin
Since none of these have exposed rivets or screws, how do they come off =
and how are they reattached after polishing?
I suspect those of you with the pretty shiny trailers have solved these =
problems already and would be willing to forestall reinventing the =
wheel.
Many thanks,
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind=20
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Message Number: 2
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 19:56:39 -0400
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Pergo Floor Installation
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A couple of people inquired about the Pergo flooring I installed in my ' =
68 Tradewind. I sent Hunter a couple of photos and she helpfully loaded =
them on the AirstreamList files for me. The pictures may be found at
http://groups.yahoo.com/AirstreamList/files/ and click on '68 Tradewind =
Renovation Project.
Jim Greene
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Message Number: 3
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 21:03:12 -0400
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Top 'O Georgia Route
Thanks, David for posting the route information. I've been looking at my Delorme
Street Atlas and, from Massachusetts, it routes me down I75 to 68 and then onto 1325,
then 1324, then 294, then 64,finally joining up with 19.
This looks a little insane to me. Can anyone confirm this?
Lincoln Soule
1977 Tradewind
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From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Top O' Georgia Route?
We will be attending the Top O' Georgia rally next month.
We are coming from Ohio, down I-75.
Streets & Trips says that the "fastest" route to the campground is to leave
I-75 in Knoxville, TN, and head south on US Highways. It runs right by the
Smokey mountains National park, and thorough several national forests. The
scenery should be lovely this time of year.
However, Street & Trips does not take into consideration that hauling 7000
pounds of trailer up and down mountains tends to slow things down.
So I did an alternate route, that stays on the freeway till Cleveland, TN,
then heads East to the campground. This, supposedly, takes 1/2 hour longer
than the "shortest" route.
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Message Number: 4
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 18:12:35 -0700
From: Jack Honeycutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NADA Recreation Vehicle Appraisal Guide
At 12:26 PM 10/2/2001 -0400, you wrote:
>NADA on line covers RV's between 1986 and 2000. I've not used the RV
>section but the used auto section allows 5 free lookups per day.
>
>www.nada.com
>
>Don (MI)
I also picked up a NADA Rec Vehicle Guide (May- Aug 2001) used for
$2.00. It covers from 1976 to Aug 2001.
jack
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Message Number: 5
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 21:58:56 -0400
From: D Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Step Light
Hi all,
The light over the door on my '73 Ambassador doesn't fit right. The
notch for the drip thing and the door frame seem to be right, but only
if the part that sits on the skin is 1/4" up in the air. I took if off
because it was a prime suspect in the leaks around the door.
I was thinking of cutting some wood to make a sort of gasket that would
hold it up off the skin. And then vulkem it to protect it and hide the
wood.
Anybody got one like that ? Also what kind of screws hold it on ? Mine
were so rusted that I'll never know.
Daisy
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Message Number: 6
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 22:15:53 -0400
From: Tom Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Toilet Leak
Wow. Out of lurker mode for the second time in a week.
At 2:38 PM -0700 10/1/01, Kit Sullivan Mac.com wrote:
>I have a leak in the toilet of my 1962 Bambi. The problem occurs
>whenever I press the flush pedal - nothing leaks out if the hole
>between the bowl and the tank is closed, even if the toilet is full
>(I tested this with blue holding tank deodorizer) but the moment I
>press the pedal to flush the toilet, it immediately begins to ooze
>out from beneath the pedal.
Ok. I looked at the photos you posted on the web.
I repaired a similar problem with the toilet of my 75 Tradewind last
month. The problem I had was water leaking out of the bowl. (Could
not keep water in the bowl.) I was finding the water in almost the
exact location that I see the blue in your photographs.
>I think the problem is with the seal on the bowl side of the little
>disc that moves aside to let the contents of the toilet fall into
>the tank.
This is what is called the slide (or sometimes blade) valve seal. I
don't think it is the source of your problem. If the slide valve seal
leaks then you would not be able to keep water in the bowl. If all
the other seals are good the water would leak into the black tank.
My best guess is that the flange seal has gone bad. To replace the
flange seal all you need to do is unbolt the toilet from the tank.
Doing this repair should take you a couple of hours.
>I am not sure what caused this leak, although it does seem to be getting
>worse. I cleaned the toilet with bleach when I first got it - could that
>have caused something in the toilet to deteriorate?
No - I wouldn't think that bleach caused this problem. My guess would
be that the seals are just old. When I got the toilet off the tank in
my Tradewind the flange seal was in sorry shape. I knew I was going
to replace it as soon as I looked at it. I also suspect that a
previous owner had worked on the toilet before me. So the seal should
be somewhat younger than the trailer. (I found a socket lost inside
the toilet.)
>How do I repair this problem? Do I need to replace the toilet?
Thetford has a seal repair package. This kit contains all the seals
used in most model toilets. I bought this kit and replaced all the
seals in my toilet. The seal package cost about $35 at my better
(SOB) local RV dealer.
>I don't know if it is the original toilet, it is not the one
>pictured in the Owner's Manual that I have.
On my toilet, which looks like the one in your photographs, I found a
data placard on the toilet after I removed the seat and lid. (Yes I
didn't know the model number of my toilet when I bought the seal
package. Sometimes you get lucky.) You might look there to see if you
find a model number for the toilet.
>Thank you for any advice you can offer!
For me fixing the toilet was another learning experience. I feel very
confident that I can handle anything that might go wrong with the
toilet in the future. There is no mystery left for me in the Thetford
toilet.
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Take care,
Tom
Wilmington, North Carolina
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Message Number: 7
Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2001 20:21:46 -0700
From: RJ & Krista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Recent website additions
Couple of notes of interest before taking off in to the Sierras for a week:
- I posted the rally report for the Majestic Mt Baker Rally that was in
Washington State last month. It is at:
http://www.airstream.org/rallies/01-MtBaker/MtBaker.html
- I uploaded to the VAC website Members area, among other things, a
great color 3-D cut-away catalog of all the 1966 Airstream models.
- I also finished uploading all the back issues of the Vintage Advantage
from 1993 to the Members area in reduced file size format.
- For those with '60's trailers and have a back fiberglass bath with the
mirror that always swings down, I created a topic page on my website at:
http://www.VintageAirstream.com/rr_topics_mirror.html
- And I posted the first draft of my axle/brake conversion on the '57
Flying Cloud:
http://www.VintageAirstream.com/floyd/brakes/brakes.html
Catch you all later,
RJ
VAC Webmaster
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Message Number: 8
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 14:06:30 +0000
From: "Todd Matthews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Control center problems
Hi everyone,
My control center is no longer working. All switches dead. I pulled it down
and looked at the bottom of the circuit board and found that one of the
solder lines is fried. I tried to solder it together but cannot get the
solder to stick very well. I have a feeling a transistor (don't know if this
is the right term) is bad also.
Is there a replacement for just the board? Do I have to buy a used unit?
My trailer is a 1972 21' Globetrotter.
Thanks,
Todd
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Message Number: 9
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 11:10:01 -0400
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Bush RV Closing
A FYI to all SW Ohio, SE Indiana and Northern Kentucky Airstreamers....
I dropped my "new to me" '77 Airstream off at Bush RV (near Wilmington, OH)
to have all the systems checked out.
I found out that they will be closing soon. All stock is being transferred
to Tom Raper's RV in Richmond Indiana. There was one 2001 25' Safari left
on the lot.
Service is still open, probably till the end of October, but they cant
order parts.
Their store is offering 15% off on all in-stock items.
This leaves Paul Sherry, in Piqua OH, as the closest (80 miles) service
center to the Cincinnati area. There are also service centers in
Indianapolis and Clarksville (Just across the river from Louisville, KY)
Indiana.
One small "benefit" of going to Paul Sherry is that Jackson Center is near
by, so while you are waiting, you can go tour the Airstream factory :-)
Dave
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Dave Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 10
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 12:57:29 -0400
From: Jim Dunmyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Control center problems
Todd,
If that wire is "fried", you'll probably have to cut of an inch or 2 to
get to good, shiny copper in order to do a good job.
Dunno if this control panel is similar to those used in 1968, but those
had a "low voltage disconnect" relay and circuit board that sensed
voltage from the tow vehicle and disconnected the 'charge' line if it
got too low. The idea was that you could use the tow vehicle's battery
for lights, etc. in the trailer and the relay would disconnect it while
there was still enough juice to start the engine.
The relay was jumpered out in my '68 G.T.
<<Jim>>
Todd Matthews wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> My control center is no longer working. All switches dead. I pulled it down
> and looked at the bottom of the circuit board and found that one of the
> solder lines is fried. I tried to solder it together but cannot get the
> solder to stick very well. I have a feeling a transistor (don't know if this
> is the right term) is bad also.
>
> Is there a replacement for just the board? Do I have to buy a used unit?
>
> My trailer is a 1972 21' Globetrotter.
>
> Thanks,
> Todd
>
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Message Number: 11
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 12:35:03 -0700
From: j eric townsend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: floor dry rot?
I'm looking at a thrashed Airstream that the owner describes as
having "dry rot" in the floor. He claims the floor is solid with no
sags.
In my mind, dry rot is crumbling wood that's falling apart -- I can't
imagine standing on wood that has dry rot and not falling thru.
Having never taken apart the floor of an Airstream, I was wondering
if these two conditions could coexist.
I've asked him to send pictures, so this all might be a differences
in what we call things. If it weren't an 8-hour drive, I'd just
wander over and look at it.
thanks,
--jet
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Were you in USASSG/ACSI/MACV in Vietnam, 1967-1970? Drop me a line if so...
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Message Number: 12
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 16:15:28 -0400
From: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: VAC RALLY at Top O'Georgia
Airstreamers:
Here's the latest post from George James (By George!), with some
comments interspersed. If everyone who has indicated an interest, plus
those who are coming and haven't expressed an interest to him yet, show up,
it'll be a great rally!
- Dick
(5368)
>Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2001 14:43:24 -0400
>From: "George James Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Richard P. Kenan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: VAC RALLY
>X-Mailer: <IMail v5.07>
>
>
>Hi Dick & Jane, Here's the last word:
>
>GREETINGS- (final).
>
>This is the October letter we promised for the VAC Fall Rally at
>Top of Georgia (TOG) a most unique place its within walking distance of
>both Georgia and Maine! Dont forget DST ends 10-28-01 !
>
>First - please respond Answer the question, Click REPLY, Hit SEND.
>
..
>Your name:
. Are you coming? YES plan to ( ) so sorry no( )
>
..
>
>You can then print out and delete the rest of this before sending if you
>wish.
>
> Plans are complete except for FOOD. How many will come,
>and the weather? We will car pool for a giant all you can eat
>including fresh trout buffet at a State Park Conference Center. Well
>have a pot luck or two and exchange meals, so come with a well stocked
>larder. (Groceries are 10 miles away.) We have THREE videos to show you,
>including a just released commercial one with nice VAC stuff! And no ads!
>You may come as early as you wish. We will be there from Sunday October
>28th. Pick up program details as you register starting 9am Thursday.
>November 1st . Activities & Seminars start 10 AM November 1st. Sunday AM?
>Thats all. You may stay as long as you wish. TOG stays open all year.
[But note: Sometime after the VAC rally, not sure when, but probably in
November, all the lower sites will be disconnected from the water for the
winter (not sure about electricity). The upper sites only (the ones above
the host trailer, around the flagpole) will stay open in winter - Dick, 5368]
>Costs? Five-point hook-ups $8.00 per night. TOG is a WBCCI MEMBERS
>ONLY park. If you are not a WBCCI member you can join on the spot We may
>ask for a very low kitty contribution (if we can get permission to have a
>campfire) to cover meat and marshmallows. (If its too dry, they say NO fires.)
[If you belong to any of the three Georgia units, the fee is $6.00/night]
>If you send us info on the trailer you will bring, well include it on the
>Rally Roster we plan to hand out. CHECK OUT www.topofga.org Its a
>beautiful place!
>
>
>PLEASE NOTE: Sally & George III, and Hope and I will be attending a Unit
>Installation Rally in ASVL the week before and we will go straight to Top
>O Georgia from there. So NO E-MAIL AFTER 10/23/01. You CAN leave
>telephone messages at TOG. (706) 878-3590. Over 55 have expressed
>interest as of 10.01.01. Please reply promptly.
>
>How to get there? Find HELEN on your Georgia map. From the NORTH via
>Hiwassee on Ga. 75-17. When road finally straightens out going DOWN the
>mountain watch for TOG entrance on right. If you pass it, go on to find
>place to turn around and come back.
> > the SOUTH drive through Helen, then 5 miles on Ga. 75. Park is on left.
> > EAST or WEST (Cleveland or Clarksville) go NORTH through Helen, then 5
> miles to TOG entrance on the left.
[Cleveland is SOUTH of Helen; from there, just go north through Helen to ToG]
>We cant wait to meet you all. Sally & George III, Hope & By George.
>
>
>--
>Well that's it, by George!
>--
"Think like a man of action. Act like a man of thought."
- Henri Bergson
Dick Kenan Tel: 770-451-0672
Retired and loving it!
WBCCI # 5368, 28' 1995 Excella
Atlanta
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Message Number: 13
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 16:49:13 -0400
From: "Russ Welch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tow vehicles that seat 15
I can't resist asking...how about tow vehicles that seat 15 people ? My 15
passenger
1995 Ford 350 Van is very long, of course. It is rated to pull up to 7000
lbs(found out by calculating some complicated formula by the Ford
salespeople)I know these big vans have a safety warning for
rollovers(studying the statistics, it is usually the rental vans, not people
like me who drive them every day). But there is lots of room in there for
all the kiddos(7) and groceries, camping equipment, cousins,etc. I pull the
Safari 23' sometimes, and the Argosy 26' sometimes. No problem. I want a
31 or 34 ft Airstream eventually, and a new 15 passenger van. Any thoughts
on this ? Maybe turning will be like a semi ? WIDE right turns ? I wonder
if these vans can be changed to handle more weight ? Anybody else drive one
of these monsters? Thanks for the input.
Carrie Welch
WBCCI#8344, VAC
1971 Safari
1974 Argosy
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Message Number: 14
Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2001 18:33:24 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: floor dry rot?
Hey --jet,
You are right that there is a contradiction with the description of
this Airstream.
My floor didn't sag that much either except where there was *no* flooring under the
1/4in. plywood that was used to "update" and "strengthen" the floor. The dry rot in
my trailer (and I presume in most) occurred around the perimeter of the trailer, not t
Except for the doorway, I've yet to hear of a trailer floor wearing out from foot
traffic.
If you want a HUGE project and can get the trailer for <=$500...it *might* be worth
it.
Would love to see the pictures in question...could advise more from there.
Jay Griffin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm looking at a thrashed Airstream that the owner describes as
having "dry rot" in the floor. He claims the floor is solid with no
sags.
In my mind, dry rot is crumbling wood that's falling apart -- I can't
imagine standing on wood that has dry rot and not falling thru.
Having never taken apart the floor of an Airstream, I was wondering
if these two conditions could coexist.
I've asked him to send pictures, so this all might be a differences
in what we call things. If it weren't an 8-hour drive, I'd just
wander over and look at it.
thanks,
--jet
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Message Number: 15
Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2001 18:49:24 -0400
From: "Scott Scheuermann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tow vehicles that seat 15
Russ,
The 15 passenger vans tend to roll over in crashes only when they are
loaded. I saw a notice from our insurance carrier at work. I think that they
were saying to be careful when there were 10 or more passengers or their
equivalent in stuff. While empty the center of gravity of these things are
fine. Add 10 passengers each sitting 2 feet above the floor and the center
of gravity is raised enough to cause a problem in an accident. Since the
weight of a trailer is transferred to the tow vehicle at the hitch (frame
level) I doubt that the center of gravity would be raised. It might even
tend lower it, further reducing the possibility of a roll over.
Turning while towing should be no different with a 15 passenger van than it
would be with any other large tow vehicle...which is not all that different
from a smaller tow vehicle. I imagine that when it comes to towing
capacities, that they are the same as any other vehicle, the determining
factors are engine size, rear end ratios and other towing options.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Welch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 4:49 PM
Subject: [VAC] Tow vehicles that seat 15
> I can't resist asking...how about tow vehicles that seat 15 people ? My
15
> passenger
> 1995 Ford 350 Van is very long, of course. It is rated to pull up to 7000
> lbs(found out by calculating some complicated formula by the Ford
> salespeople)I know these big vans have a safety warning for
> rollovers(studying the statistics, it is usually the rental vans, not
people
> like me who drive them every day). But there is lots of room in there for
> all the kiddos(7) and groceries, camping equipment, cousins,etc. I pull
the
> Safari 23' sometimes, and the Argosy 26' sometimes. No problem. I want a
> 31 or 34 ft Airstream eventually, and a new 15 passenger van. Any
thoughts
> on this ? Maybe turning will be like a semi ? WIDE right turns ? I
wonder
> if these vans can be changed to handle more weight ? Anybody else drive
one
> of these monsters? Thanks for the input.
>
> Carrie Welch
> WBCCI#8344, VAC
> 1971 Safari
> 1974 Argosy
>
>
>
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