Good stuff John… What continually surprises me is how few people are even tuned into virtual machines and what crazy useful things you can do with them. One of the companies that I develop software for is completely Windows and they have a conference every two years that I attend and present at. It is interesting to watch the reaction of people to see me open my Macbook Pro and have Windows projected on the screen behind me. In the Q & A, I always get questions about what they are seeing and how it works. There are a number of those people that have purchased Macs (or were really Mac people that had purchased Windows machines just to run the software) and run my software in a virtual machine.
On 9/24/16, 7:56 PM, "4D_Tech on behalf of John Baughman" <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: “To each his own”… couldn’t agree more. The thing about VirtualBox I find fascinating is how good it is and yet how unheralded it is. Any discussion of VM software on a Mac and the only players you ever hear about are Fusion and Parallels. VirtualBox is never mentioned, nor is it advertised by Oracle. I am not sure I understand why Oracle provides this product for free and so religiously keeps it current. I do all my windows 4D development with it and everything functions flawlessly. As an extreme example of how well VirtualBox works, I have a deployed 4D windows client/server database that talks to QuickBooks via COM Objects using Windows PowerShell scripts. I do not own a windows machine so had to develop this using 3 VirtualBox VMs, one running a Windows 7 4D server machine, one a QuickBooks Windows 7 server machine and one a 4D Windows 7 client machine. All the VMs were running on my Mac PowerBook. I was able to include a mac 4D Client on the PowerBook that could also talk to QuickBooks server via the Windows 4D Server. I probably could have done the same with Fusion or Parallels, but given my prior experience with each do not think it would have been as easy or as stable as it was with VirtualBox. John > On Sep 24, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Ed Glassgow <[email protected]> wrote: > > This really accentuates the “to each his own” aspect of software. Total upgrade costs for Fusion over the last 3 years has been a total of $100 ($50 for version 6 to version 7 and $50 for version 7 to version 8, with the upgrade from version 8 to version 8.5, the current version that is fully compatible with Sierra, is free). Not too bad for a frequently maintained, solid and useful piece of software. I do all my Windows development using a virtual machine running Windows 10 64 bit (on a 12 core Mac Pro, with loads of memory). It has been superb. > > On 9/24/16, 6:54 PM, "4D_Tech on behalf of Scott Staley" <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: > > I completely agree with John. I have also used both Parallels and Fusion and > eventually abandoned them for bootcamp primarily because of the constant > upgrade costs every time there was a system upgrade (either OSX or Windows). > I use windows infrequently and primarily for code testing and it wasn't > really a problem doing the full on boot. > > Then one day one of our IT guys mentioned virtualbox. Theses guys normally > treat Mac software like it's the plague so I was very surprised to find out > about this from them. I was very pleasantly surprised. It works great and > it's free. I actually like it better than both Parallels and Fusion. > > Unfortunately, like John, I've not tried to emulate mac inside a mac. > Hasn't been a need of mine but I recall them discussing it in the virtuabox > instruction. As I recall the biggest issue being the legality of the > licensing. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://4d.1045681.n5.nabble.com/v13-on-Sierra-tp5747493p5747573.html > Sent from the 4D Tech mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > ********************************************************************** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: http://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:[email protected] > ********************************************************************** > > > ********************************************************************** > 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) > FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html > Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html > Options: http://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech > Unsub: mailto:[email protected] > ********************************************************************** ********************************************************************** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: http://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:[email protected] ********************************************************************** ********************************************************************** 4D Internet Users Group (4D iNUG) FAQ: http://lists.4d.com/faqnug.html Archive: http://lists.4d.com/archives.html Options: http://lists.4d.com/mailman/options/4d_tech Unsub: mailto:[email protected] **********************************************************************
