I don't trust ubnt in any space. That's why their fiber stuffs aren't even
on our radar. They're just doing the electronics right? Tell me they're not
in the glass game itself. Tell me God they're not selling tough fiber or
anything like that to rot in the ground

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 2:25 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I can generally get a building permit to use a public utility ROW or the
> side of a street for almost free.
> Perhaps use a customers home for everything in exchange for service etc.
>
> I agree, for 30 PON is a good way to go.  But I like the simplicity of AE,
> the fact that I can cast shade on PON based competitors and not having to
> deal with splitters.
>
> And I do PON all day long with Calix.  But for a non regulated for profit
> startup, Calix is not the way to go.
> However I do not trust UBNT in this space... yet...
>
>
> *From:* Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:18 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>
> ActiveEthernet: Property acquisition for the land, legal fees, concrete
> pad, electrical install, cabinet, UPS, heating/cooling, fiber switch is
> probably $10,000 - 15,000 including cost of time. When we're busy I'm not
> sure that it would be worth doing for only 30 homes.
>
> PON: two 1x16 fiber splitters that fit in existing splice cases and
> require none of that support cost $60 each.
>
> Shared bandwidth...16 customers sharing 2.5gbit fiber looks pretty good
> when we still have tower sites with 16 customers on a 10mbit 2.4Ghz FSK AP.
> And 10Gbit GPON seems to be coming soon...
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:04 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> If you have one strand going out there, you hang a switch and give all 30
>> homes active E.
>>
>> Each home needs a drop.
>> So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or an SFP.
>>
>> With AE you will have to power the switch but then  you have no shared
>> bandwidth, it has market cache vs shared bandwidth old fashioned GPON etc...
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Colin Stanners
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:57 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>
>> That's the main reason, and it branches into upgradeability. If a new
>> 30-house subdivision appears in a field a few miles from your headend, and
>> you have a spare 10 strands going out there, you only need to use 2-3
>> strands instead of running new 48-strand cable the whole way.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:53 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So, other than the obvious strand count advantages, why would you use
>>> this vs active ethernet?
>>>
>>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:04 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>>
>>>
>>> It works fine.  We have it in 2 subdivisions.
>>> It is brain dead simple to configure.
>>>
>>> Since it “Just Works” there isn’t a lot to configure.  The ONU (cpe) can
>>> run in bridge or router mode.  I’m not sure what the routing/NAT speeds are
>>> capable of but it will do 1G in bridge mode without breaking a sweat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Bouse
>>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>>> 979-985-5912
>>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:17 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <Af@af.afmug.com>
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone actually have this equipment in a production environment?  I
>>> have a test setup, just haven't heard much discussion about it so I thought
>>> I'd check with the group.
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