UBNT is doing what UBNT does.  They take commodity hardware and wrap it in a 
shiny box with a slick UI.
The commodity hardware is cheap and works reliably well.  Don’t hate on 
something that sells well because it is easy to use.

No, they aren’t selling glass.  They expect you to do that part on your own.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

I don't trust ubnt in any space. That's why their fiber stuffs aren't even on 
our radar. They're just doing the electronics right? Tell me they're not in the 
glass game itself. Tell me God they're not selling tough fiber or anything like 
that to rot in the ground

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 2:25 PM <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I can generally get a building permit to use a public utility ROW or the side 
of a street for almost free.
Perhaps use a customers home for everything in exchange for service etc.

I agree, for 30 PON is a good way to go.  But I like the simplicity of AE, the 
fact that I can cast shade on PON based competitors and not having to deal with 
splitters.

And I do PON all day long with Calix.  But for a non regulated for profit 
startup, Calix is not the way to go.
However I do not trust UBNT in this space... yet...


From: Colin Stanners
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:18 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

ActiveEthernet: Property acquisition for the land, legal fees, concrete pad, 
electrical install, cabinet, UPS, heating/cooling, fiber switch is probably 
$10,000 - 15,000 including cost of time. When we're busy I'm not sure that it 
would be worth doing for only 30 homes.

PON: two 1x16 fiber splitters that fit in existing splice cases and require 
none of that support cost $60 each.

Shared bandwidth...16 customers sharing 2.5gbit fiber looks pretty good when we 
still have tower sites with 16 customers on a 10mbit 2.4Ghz FSK AP. And 10Gbit 
GPON seems to be coming soon...




On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:04 PM <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
If you have one strand going out there, you hang a switch and give all 30 homes 
active E.

Each home needs a drop.
So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or an SFP.

With AE you will have to power the switch but then  you have no shared 
bandwidth, it has market cache vs shared bandwidth old fashioned GPON etc...



From: Colin Stanners
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:57 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

That's the main reason, and it branches into upgradeability. If a new 30-house 
subdivision appears in a field a few miles from your headend, and you have a 
spare 10 strands going out there, you only need to use 2-3 strands instead of 
running new 48-strand cable the whole way.

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:53 PM <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
So, other than the obvious strand count advantages, why would you use this vs 
active ethernet?

From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

It works fine.  We have it in 2 subdivisions.
It is brain dead simple to configure.
Since it “Just Works” there isn’t a lot to configure.  The ONU (cpe) can run in 
bridge or router mode.  I’m not sure what the routing/NAT speeds are capable of 
but it will do 1G in bridge mode without breaking a sweat.

Jim Bouse
Owner - Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
http://www.brazoswifi.com

From: AF <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of 
Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber

Does anyone actually have this equipment in a production environment?  I have a 
test setup, just haven't heard much discussion about it so I thought I'd check 
with the group.
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