You get burned with something? 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Aug 31, 2018, at 9:43 AM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't trust ubnt in any space. That's why their fiber stuffs aren't even on 
> our radar. They're just doing the electronics right? Tell me they're not in 
> the glass game itself. Tell me God they're not selling tough fiber or 
> anything like that to rot in the ground
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018, 2:25 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> I can generally get a building permit to use a public utility ROW or the 
>> side of a street for almost free. 
>> Perhaps use a customers home for everything in exchange for service etc. 
>>  
>> I agree, for 30 PON is a good way to go.  But I like the simplicity of AE, 
>> the fact that I can cast shade on PON based competitors and not having to 
>> deal with splitters. 
>>  
>> And I do PON all day long with Calix.  But for a non regulated for profit 
>> startup, Calix is not the way to go.
>> However I do not trust UBNT in this space... yet...
>>  
>>  
>> From: Colin Stanners
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 1:18 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>  
>> ActiveEthernet: Property acquisition for the land, legal fees, concrete pad, 
>> electrical install, cabinet, UPS, heating/cooling, fiber switch is probably 
>> $10,000 - 15,000 including cost of time. When we're busy I'm not sure that 
>> it would be worth doing for only 30 homes.
>>  
>> PON: two 1x16 fiber splitters that fit in existing splice cases and require 
>> none of that support cost $60 each.
>>  
>> Shared bandwidth...16 customers sharing 2.5gbit fiber looks pretty good when 
>> we still have tower sites with 16 customers on a 10mbit 2.4Ghz FSK AP. And 
>> 10Gbit GPON seems to be coming soon...
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 2:04 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> If you have one strand going out there, you hang a switch and give all 30 
>>> homes active E. 
>>>  
>>> Each home needs a drop. 
>>> So you have to connect the drop to either a splitter or an SFP. 
>>>  
>>> With AE you will have to power the switch but then  you have no shared 
>>> bandwidth, it has market cache vs shared bandwidth old fashioned GPON etc...
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Colin Stanners
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:57 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>>  
>>> That's the main reason, and it branches into upgradeability. If a new 
>>> 30-house subdivision appears in a field a few miles from your headend, and 
>>> you have a spare 10 strands going out there, you only need to use 2-3 
>>> strands instead of running new 48-strand cable the whole way.
>>>  
>>>> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 1:53 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>> So, other than the obvious strand count advantages, why would you use this 
>>>> vs active ethernet?
>>>>  
>>>> From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:04 PM
>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>>>  
>>>> It works fine.  We have it in 2 subdivisions.
>>>> It is brain dead simple to configure.
>>>> 
>>>> Since it “Just Works” there isn’t a lot to configure.  The ONU (cpe) can 
>>>> run in bridge or router mode.  I’m not sure what the routing/NAT speeds 
>>>> are capable of but it will do 1G in bridge mode without breaking a sweat.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Jim Bouse
>>>> Owner - Brazos WiFi
>>>> 979-985-5912
>>>> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 12:17 PM
>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <Af@af.afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Ufiber
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone actually have this equipment in a production environment?  I 
>>>> have a test setup, just haven't heard much discussion about it so I 
>>>> thought I'd check with the group.
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