Tapped trunk, meaning you use 1x2 splitters at each drop? I've been
considering doing this, but troubleshooting, should any problem(s) arise,
seems like a nightmare.

On Tuesday, February 13, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:

> With some very appreciated help from Gerard myself and another Michigan
> ISP have deployed this ZTE equipment and Gerards description is accurate.
> The only issue we have found is some Wi-Fi bugs in the F660 ONU we went
> with, if you require a customer owned router or provide a different router
> that solves the problem.
>
> Our long term plan for that is to switch to a SmartRG GPON res gateway
> when they are available in a couple months. All in one unit with 4x4 AC
> wifi and voip.
>
> We also deployed a tapped trunk splitting layout which has saved us a lot
> of money on strand count in our low density rural areas.
>
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2018 5:58 PM, "Gerard Dupont" <ger...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> Yeah, We have 6 OLT's and a few hundred ONU's online. I know of
>> several other operators using the same setup now too.
>>
>> It's stable and just works. The OLT hardware feels solid and quality made
>> unlike some of the other 1U OLT's we've tried.
>>
>> You can even get an outdoor cabinet made for them for about $1500
>> shipped. I can't find the ZTE link right now, but it is very similar to
>> this Huawei version. https://www.alibaba.com/produc
>> t-detail/Original-Huawei-MA5608T-ZTE-C320-Outdoors_604425626
>> 81.html?spm=a2700.7724838.2017115.1.2d7a50d9frcsQx
>>
>> Gerard
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:51 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> That is some scary Bernie Madoff type of pricing.
>>>
>>> You are using this now?
>>>
>>> *From:* Gerard Dupont
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 2:28 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>
>>> Here's some pricing based on Chinese ZTE with no real support.
>>>
>>> ZTE F601 Indoor ONU 1 GE port. $24 http://sweetplaza.com/zte-gpon
>>> -terminal-ont-zxa10-f601-or-zxhn-f601-ftth-or-ftto-gpon-onu-
>>> with-one-ethernet-port-smaller-size_p1013.html
>>> ZTE F623 Indoor ONU 1GE 3FE 1POTS $29 http://sweetplaza.com/sc-apc-o
>>> riginal-zte-zxhn-f623-gpon-onu-1ge-3fe-lan-ports-1voice-port
>>> -wifienglish-interface_p1206.html
>>> Chinese Splice on connector $0.80 http://sweetplaza.com/c/connector_0391
>>> 30M Armored simplex pigtail $9.66 from FS https://www.fs.com/products/20
>>> 745.html
>>> 20M $7.66
>>> 10M $5.66
>>> Wall Mount MultiLink/Tii Outdoor NID - $15 (I don't have link)
>>>
>>> ZTE C320 OLT 16 ports of gpon with class c+ optics. $2200
>>> $2200/16/32=$4.30/per customer at 100% utilization..
>>> Add another 16 ports with optics for only $590. that's 32*32=1024
>>> customers potentially. $2.75/per customer at 100% util.
>>>
>>> 32 port rackmount splitter. $84 https://www.fs.com/products/11948.html
>>> 32 port bare splitter for splice case $14 https://www.fs.com/products/11
>>> 528.html
>>> 8 port bare splitter for splice case $5
>>>
>>> None of that includes shipping or import duties/fees. So figure in a few
>>> hundred $$$ for shipping/import fees.
>>>
>>> Even if you only put 8 people per OLT port that's $2800/32/8=$11 per
>>> customer. + $1 per port on a 1x8 PLC + $15 for NID + $29 for ONT with POTS
>>> + $10 for 30M pigtail. = ~$65/customer all in for gpon with 8 customers per
>>> port.
>>>
>>> You can use www.SmartOLT.com for web based OLT/ONU
>>> management/monitoring (tell Adrian I sent you for a discount)
>>>
>>> I prefer using GPON for the management capabilities. You can always
>>> overlay 10GPON on top of your regular GPON network when the time comes to
>>> upgrade. Just add/change the card in the OLT and add a 2x1 splitter to
>>> combine both OLT ports into the single fiber. Since they use different
>>> wavelengths they will coexist over the same fiber. Just install new ONT's.
>>>
>>> Gerard
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:32 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ONT Housing (Clam Shell)  $           29.00
>>>> ONT  $         215.00
>>>> Unicam  $           15.00
>>>> Cyber Power  $           81.00
>>>> Cyber Install  $         110.00
>>>> House Sub Total * $         450.00 *
>>>>
>>>> OLT $11K/8/32  $           42.97
>>>> OIM $845/32  $           38.27
>>>> Splitter $900/32  $           39.43
>>>> DLC per Sub Subtotal * $         120.67 *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Electronics/Sub Total Expense * $         570.67 *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 12:29 PM
>>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>> Chuck,
>>>>
>>>> Dug up some of my costs on the GPON.  One port with a C+ class laser
>>>> and a 1x32 splitter cost me about $1000.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So if I stick with my 50% utilization numbers, that gets me about $62
>>>> per user.  Plus an indoor ONT gets me about $200-$225 per customer for
>>>> electronics.  As I increase my utilization, the numbers get better.  But,
>>>> we are only talking a different in a few months on the ROI.  Remember we
>>>> are debating fiber.  I have ONT's out there over 72 months old.  I'm sure
>>>> Chuck has some at least 2 or 3 years older than that.  I don't plan on any
>>>> type of major upgrade for several years.
>>>>
>>>> But I must stress there is no right answer.  AE vs GPON.  You need to
>>>> make sure you fully understand both options before making a decision.  Not
>>>> to mention, you can run both.  We are setup to do AE,  We currently have 2
>>>> customers on the AE side for various reasons vs 2500 on the GPON side.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark                            *
>>>> mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 1:13:18 PM, you wrote:*
>>>>
>>>> When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe
>>>> electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc.  Everything but fiber and outdoor
>>>> cabinets.
>>>>
>>>> When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per
>>>> customer.
>>>> For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself
>>>> to do PON.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM
>>>> *To:* Chuck McCown
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>> Chuck,
>>>>
>>>> PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark                            *mailto:
>>>> m...@mailmt.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:*
>>>>
>>>> Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM
>>>> *To:* Adam Moffett
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>> Adam,
>>>>
>>>> There are some ranging things you have to consider.  "The requirement
>>>> when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot
>>>> exceed 20Km."
>>>>
>>>> The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long
>>>> stretches of roads between neighborhoods.
>>>>
>>>> We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that into
>>>> the last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber.  Example, if we were using a 144
>>>> count cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into.  After a few miles
>>>> depending on density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 splitter
>>>> to ribbons 10-12.  We just keep doing this until we run out of light
>>>> budget.
>>>>
>>>> We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max usage
>>>> per port.  Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our ports.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark                            *mailto:
>>>> m...@mailmt.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:*
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I need to review the math.
>>>>
>>>> I was figuring on several small splitters along the route.  I didn't
>>>> compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every fiber
>>>> back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <m...@mailmt.com>
>>>> To: "Adam Moffett" <af@afmug.com>
>>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Adam,
>>>>
>>>> How far are you going?  We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32
>>>> split.  Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *-- Best regards,Mark                            *mailto:
>>>> m...@mailmt.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *------Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:*
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile).  As I'm
>>>> looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I run
>>>> the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 times
>>>> and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road.  At 5 or so
>>>> houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch.
>>>>
>>>> Your stated reasons for PON are all correct.  The numbers just aren't
>>>> seeming to work out for me.
>>>>
>>>> I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to
>>>> PON some day if I want to.
>>>>
>>>> We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15
>>>> years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". In AE
>>>> I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to.  I'll "never" have to do that
>>>> as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited.
>>>>
>>>> -Adam
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A few reasons...
>>>>
>>>> Port cost is still fairly high.
>>>>
>>>> More splicing.
>>>>
>>>> More fiber required.
>>>>
>>>> Larger chassis required.
>>>>
>>>> More power required.
>>>>
>>>> More battery backup required.
>>>>
>>>> Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON
>>>> capacity in most places.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>> We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product with
>>>> Zhone is different.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN...  or maybe it was DASAN
>>>> that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't remember
>>>> which.  ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM
>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT
>>>>
>>>> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be
>>>> anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> I found these guys, but have never heard of them:
>>>> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116
>>>>
>>>> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them:
>>>> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf
>>>>
>>>> -Jason
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

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