> -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Mahoney via AGI [mailto:[email protected]] > > 1. A state of wakefulness (as opposed to unconsciousness). > 2. Self awareness or qualia, that which distinguishes you from a philosophical > zombie. > > I do dispute that Orch OR has anything to do with explaining 2-consciousness, >
No, I think the whole idea of Orch OR is explaining the orchestration of conscious moments or OR moments occurring around 25ms (40 Hz gamma synchrony) originating from coherent sets of neurons in the thousands. A moment is an algorithmic/deterministic Schrödinger evolution to an OR threshold at Planck level. OR with orchestration as proposed is part of qualia, or your 2-consciousness. That's what the paper is about, the mechanics behind all that, now with the added proposal for beat frequencies... All Penrose is saying is that according to Gödel's theorem a computational system requires some non-computable factor for understanding. You always refer to this same thing, no? > The authors claim that a single neuron performs 10^16 microtubule > operations per second. But I doubt this is relevant. The standard model of > neural networks, in which the relevant signal is the firing rate, is well > tested > and supported by the success of deep learning networks for processing > vision and language. We don't need to model neurons at the microtubule > level, any more than we need to model a CPU running a program at the level > of electrons and holes moving through silicon. > Your calculations ignore any type of synchrony or coordination, IOW all neurons are weighted the same. John ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
