Yes Steve, most of us here are more than intimately familiar with multi-threading, multitasking, simultaneity, concurrency, parallelism, grid…. it’s usually presumed in our discussions.
We do know the theory of how a computer can’t model itself… Don’t get all Tintneresque on us now. Although, can’t just one single threaded cellular automaton model the whole universe? I might be wrong on that :) John From: Jim Bromer via AGI [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2015 12:52 PM To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] How to create an uploader Steve, My computers can run 4 threads at a time. So would make your comment totally irrelevant? Future processors will run 100 threads simultaneously. Of course an AGI program has to run different trains of 'thought' but it doesn't matter if they are run concurrently or if they are interspersed. The modern operating systems run numerous threads at once even if they cannot be run all at the same instant. Jim Bromer On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Steve Richfield via AGI <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Hi all, I think(?) that you all have it wrong. Life is a little like playing chess - every second we have many choices, and select what to do. Reflecting back on it we see a particular path, akin to seeing a particular history in a chess game. However, the game or path in life is an emergent property of a process that is anything but single thread. In our attempts to understand "thinking" we build models of a single thread process, that couldn't be further from the truth. A computer can't simulate or even model itself, especially special-purpose computers like our brains that are NOT well equipped for modeling. Your single-thread sense of your own consciousness DOES NOT EXIST except as flawed models in your own minds. STOP wasting your time trying to replicate something that can't possibly exist. Steve =================== On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 6:43 AM, justcamel via AGI <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Consciousness is fundamental, the AGI system is made of consciousness and it will be utilized by it once the AGI represents a sophisticated enough API between consciousness and physical reality. Just like it is with computer games. The game "resides" in your computer. If the game code gets complex enough then your CPU and memory become able to generate a meaningful experience for you. You are not present in the game world ... you interact with it through some kind of API an that API needs to be complex enough in order for you to be able to do meaningful things within the virtual reality the game represents. You can use virtualization in order to host Ubuntu and you can use virtualization in order to host some ancient Ti z80 based OS. While you stay fundamentally the same person the complexity of the hosted OS determines your options within the virtual environment. A chess computer does not give consciousness enough room/potential to unfold ... an AGI system will. On 11.01.2015 14:47, John Rose via AGI wrote: Consciousness "seems" to provide higher level reasoning/intuitive syntheses in general intelligence. Humans provide that component of consciousness now in the creation of AGI. I don’t think an AGI would auto-create itself without consciousness present even on some alien planet. ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/? <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> & Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com -- Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a six hour workday. That will easily create enough new jobs to bring back full employment. AGI | <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-653794b5> | <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Modify Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> AGI | <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/248029-82d9122f> | <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Modify Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
