On 5/20/07, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 Seems to me like you're going through *a lot* of effort for the same
effect + a lot of confusion

You "conjecture that highly efficiently intelligent systems will
necessarily possess intense consciousness and self-understanding".

Isn't "possess intense consciousness and self-understanding" exactly the
same as learn?



They are not the same thing, although both are apparently necessary to
achieve efficient intelligence

So aren't you just saying that "highly efficiently intelligent systems will
necessarily" learn?

And why don't we just simplify "highly efficiently intelligent" as
intelligent -- and just, by fiat, declare that anything that isn't "highly
efficiently intelligent" is merely (at best) reflexively functional.



You're just expressing a different taste in mapping formal definitions onto
English phrases.

I really don't think it matters what mapping you choose, so long as the
mapping is defined clearly...

However, I am coming to the opinion that mapping any formal definition into
the NL term "intelligence" is a political error...

From now on maybe I will use

raw intelligence = complexity of goals achievable

efficient intelligence = sum of (goal complexity)/(resources required to
achieve goal)

and not try to attach any single formal definition to the obviously highly
ambiguous
NL term "intelligence" ..

-- Ben G

-- Ben

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