arachne-digest Thursday, May 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1528
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 17:10:42 -0400
From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Salsa
Sam Ewalt wrote:
. > Perhaps there is no "standard" maybe I should say what is the most
. > common size of a sheet of plywood? In the United States it's
. > 4 feet x 8 feet.
1200mm X 2400mm
Now, let's talk about the size of a 2 X 4. It's neither 2-inches nor
4-inches. When it is sized, it may be 1-1/2 inches X 3-1/2 inches if the
moisture content is classified as "dry", or 1-9/16 inches X 3-9/16 inches if
the moisture content is classified as "wet".
Pipe sizes are something else entirely. Neither the inside diameter nor the
outside diameter of a pipe is its nominal size.
I, for one, look forward to the SI. Numbers will be added decimally just
like we add money. Gone will be doing arithmetic to base 12 (12 inches = 1
foot), base 3, base 5280, etc.
Those who would like to retain the American/South Africa measuring system;
would you like our monetary system to be the same as the English money
system used to be?
Roger Turk
Tucson, Arizona USA
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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 14:52:07 +0000
From: "Ross Virgin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sending mail with Arachne
..
..
This list discussed 6 or 8 months ago, the technique of
composing "mailing lists" as pure ASCII text files, with
each addressee on a separate line, terminated with a
carriage return ... etc.
Then, the entry in the To field or in the CC
field would be @FILE in which FILE is the
ASCII text file with all the people of your mailing list.
For many months I have used this technique, several
hundreds of times, with 80 or 90 different "FILE"
names as different lists of recipients.
Great system .....
For 2 weeks now, everytime I try to mail to one of those
80 or 90 "FILE"s Arachne says "syntax error".
Yet the 80 or 90 FILEs have not been changed or touched
in any way from the same FILEs which have been used
for many months ..... previously with no problem, no
"syntax error".
I have been using the Arachne 1.66 , on the same computer,
with the same modem, on the same phone line, to the
same ISP
What the heck is going on ..................
Baffled and Confused
Ross Virgin
Toronto, Canada
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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 17:11:24 -0500
From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sending mail with Arachne
Ross Virgin wrote:
>
> For 2 weeks now, everytime I try to mail to one of those
> 80 or 90 "FILE"s Arachne says "syntax error".
>
> Yet the 80 or 90 FILEs have not been changed or touched
> in any way from the same FILEs which have been used
> for many months ..... previously with no problem, no
> "syntax error".
>
> I have been using the Arachne 1.66 , on the same computer,
> with the same modem, on the same phone line, to the
> same ISP
>
> What the heck is going on ..................
Hi Ross;
Do you mean that ONE of the 80/90 files gives a problem or ALL of them do ?
Where do you see the error message ?
I ask this because it sounds like a DOS message.
It is possible that your Arachne.cfg has been corrupted, but I can't imagine
exactly what change would produce that DOS error message. I only say this is
possible because it happens frequently.
Or maybe the error is in MIME.cfg. This contains a series of one line command
strings that are fed to DOS by Arachne.
I'm just guessing here without checking, but it seems possible that commands
like copy, rename, delete, find etc. could produce that message under some
conditions.
Taking care not to lose your current .CFGs, copy over those two config files
from another version.
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 18:55:26 -0400
From: Terri FitzSimons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: re: objet d'interest
Samuel Heywood wrote:
>Yes, you have been known to take it upon yourself to issue citations
for spelling violations also, but only in cases where the transgressions
appear to be directly attributable to some failure to obey the rules of
grammar... <
Ah. I knew I hadn't issued citations strictly for
misspelling words.
>... either spelling would pass right on by a good spell-checker,
but a good Grammar Sheriff would feel compelled to throw the book
at any violator who would fail to heed the rules on this very
fine point....
Yep. The spell checker hasn't been invented that will find a
word that's been improperly used, but spelled correctly. And so
it takes human eye to spot the error. Only repeated reminders to
the offenders will change the habit.
> Many of us occasionally fail to devote sufficient attention to
some very important, although seemingly miniscule and nitpicking
details in the minds of many habitual offenders. For this reason
we need good enforcement officials to square them away and set
them straight.<
Thank you, Sam. Very nicely said.
Regards
Terri
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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 20:26:39 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Salsa
On Wed, 9 May 2001 17:10:42 -0400, Roger Turk wrote:
> Sam Ewalt wrote:
> .. > Perhaps there is no "standard" maybe I should say what is the most
> .. > common size of a sheet of plywood? In the United States it's
> .. > 4 feet x 8 feet.
> 1200mm X 2400mm
> Now, let's talk about the size of a 2 X 4. It's neither 2-inches nor
> 4-inches. When it is sized, it may be 1-1/2 inches X 3-1/2 inches if the
> moisture content is classified as "dry", or 1-9/16 inches X 3-9/16 inches if
> the moisture content is classified as "wet".
In the good old days when homes used to be built right, all of the two
by fours that went into the construction were real two by fours. The
"new" shaved-down standard was developed by the building contractors and
the lumber companies and by others involved in the building industry for
the purpose of bilking people. I don't know if similar scams were
developed by european home builders.
> Pipe sizes are something else entirely. Neither the inside diameter nor the
> outside diameter of a pipe is its nominal size.
> I, for one, look forward to the SI. Numbers will be added decimally just
> like we add money. Gone will be doing arithmetic to base 12 (12 inches = 1
> foot), base 3, base 5280, etc.
> Those who would like to retain the American/South Africa measuring system;
> would you like our monetary system to be the same as the English money
> system used to be?
Now that we are off on the topic of different measurement standards for
different folks, I would like to ask how it is that the "Wentworth"
standards were developed by the Brits for wrenches and nuts and bolts.
I do know that if you need to repair or perform adjustments on a British
made car or motorcycle or outboard motor, and you don't have any
"Wentworth" wrenches, then you are stuck, because neither American
standard nor metric wrenches are compatible with or equivalent to any of
the "Wentworth" sizes. (BTW, "Wentworth" wrenches are very difficult to
acquire in the US. You have to make lots of inquiries and do lots of
shopping to find any. When you can find them you will also find them very
expensive. I wonder if any country other than the UK has developed some
"unusual" sizes for wrenches and nuts and bolts.
Sam Heywood
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 20:43:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Glenn Gilbreath, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: AOL Users/Email
Sam,
I agree totally with ya on this one! I myself have had to
ask more than a few AOL buddies to use the Windows Clipboard
and learn "cut 'n paste" when sending email to me, hehe!
The problem is AOL doesn't do much to inform its users of
the proper way to use email, especially sending email to
other Internet users, outside of AOL. AOL started out as
a BBS in Virginia, quickly outgrew itself...even up til a
few years ago it was unusual to successfully login to AOL
on the first dialup. The method I've employed is to simply
take it upon myself to inform AOLers about "how to" attach
files instead of simply "forwarding" the message.
And yes, Arachne has a fit with AOL forwarded emails! I've had to open up
to 10 different "messages" just to get to the original
message. Once again, I just try my best to educate the masses!
A Wiz's work is never done, ya know! Hehe!
I know you sort of dislike Yahoo, but, I try to get AOLers to at least sign
up and try Yahoo mail along with a freestanding email client, such as
FoxMail. That way they have a chance to learn something about "real"
Internet email without the bother of finding another ISP. I still use the
older AOL version 3 for Windows 3.1 primarily now, although on my 486DX4 at
home I do have version 5 32 bit running. A big problem I run into all the
time is versions 4 and later allow AOLers to insert pictures into their
emails! All I get is "Unable to display picture"! So, once again, I ask my
bud to please send the picture as a "file attachment" not as embedded
graphic. But, there's only one of me, and I can do just so much, hehe! If
all of us who have friends/family that use AOL would take a bit of time to
hel them learn to attach files instead of simply forwarding or inserting
into an email, maybe it will get better. AOL email is relatively easy to
use, hence its draw for the novice, but it lacks in several areas as far as
interoperability with other Internet Service Providers.
C U L8R!
Glenn
Wiz
Sam Heywood wrote:
<parts snipped to save bandwidth>
Another problem that the AOL people have is that they
don't seem to know the right way to forward an attachment, such as joke,
which they had received as a forwarded attachment from some other AOL
user
who had received it as a forwarded attachment, a la almost ad infinitim
regression. In order to read the joke I find myself clicking on ikon
after
ikon until I finally get down to the one that reveals the joke. By this
time it isn't even funny anymore. What a waste of bandwidth, and what a
mad hassle! Why do the AOL people have such strange ways of doing
things?
Isn't there something the AOL users could do at their end to fix the
problems? Maybe they could, but they don't know how. I have the feeling
that AOL attracts the most novice and inexperienced computer users.
After
they gain some more knowledge they tend to move on to a better service.
I
don't think that AOL succeeds in retaining many of their customers over
a
very lengthy period. There must be something terribly screwed up with
the
AOL service. Were it not so, they would be able to keep most of their
customers.
Regards,
Sam Heywood
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 21:04:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Glenn Gilbreath, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: MS NT Login Problems
Hmmm, are you using "terminal mode" or a login script? If so, go to Arachne
PPP setup screen and blank out the login script lines, and use terminal
mode. Then answer any prompts from your ISPs server manually. Try to
remember the exact phrases used by your ISP to re-write your login script.
PAP/CHAP might also work, as suggested by Steven. The other problem is
server related. It could be the ISPs server does not support BOOTP---call
your ISP. Some newer servers assume everyone uses Win9X and have
implemented DHCP only. In this case, you'll have to try some flavor of
Windows.
Good Luck, and C U L8R!
Glenn
Wiz
Re: MS NT server connection
V.N.Karpovitch wrote:
>
> I connect with my modem to provider but then the
> server doesn't ask me neither for login nor password,
> and nothing at all happens.
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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 18:21:13 -0700
From: rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Salsa
Well, if you went looking for "Whitworth" wrenches you might have more
luck ... still made of unobtainium in US tho.
Old MG's, TR's etc ... BSA, Royal Enfield etc ... all those neat old oil
drippin Brit machines.
Oil drippin US stuf uses "sizes. I.E: Harley Davidson (well the old ones
anyway)
My personal favorite is the "in betwix" wrenches made from worn-out dies
... usually made in "IwonderwheretheF***kweareastan".
[Please note: that may be "IwonderwheretheF***kweareastan", Ohio.] I
think Glenn lives right next to there <g>.
later,
rick
(no I haven't tried 1.73 yet ... but I will)
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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 21:46:28 -0400
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS NT server connection
On Wed, 09 May 2001 23:43:18 +0060, "V.N.Karpovitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> I have a question.
> I had for a long time used Arachne for my Internet connection
> until my provider (this is Novosibirsk State University computer
> center) changed from Unix server to MS NT server. Now I simply
> cannot log in. I connect with my modem to provider but then the
> server doesn't ask me neither for login nor password, and
> nothing at all happens.
> Nobody from the provider's office can explain me why this is so.
> (all the people are young and new, old unixoids left our
> university computer center for another job). They only answer
> that with MS Windows everything should be OK. So, my position
> now is as follows: I have login and password, I know DNS and
> proxy and mail login, pop3 and smtp server, etc., but I can't use all
> this information to use Arachne with university server. Even
> the mail from my university mail box I can get now only throu
> another internet provider.
> Any ideas? Can anything be done?
Try this in Arachne.cfg
UseTerminal No
Autologin Yes
;make sure that all "waitfors" and "responses" are blank
WaitFor1
Response1
WaitFor2
Response2
WaitFor3
Response3
PPPusername your_user_name_here
PPPpassword your_password_here
(try both "Autologin No" and "Autologin Yes")
(however, it most likely will not work if you try "UseTerminal Yes")
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 06:45:22 +0000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MS NT server connection
V.N.Karpovitch wrote:
>
> I connect with my modem to provider but then the
> server doesn't ask me neither for login nor password,
> and nothing at all happens.
Have you tried PAP/CHAP ?
Cheers,
Steven
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Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 21:59:47 -0400
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Salsa
On Tue, 08 May 2001 16:52:17 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote:
<snip>
> But here's a question: In those countries that use the metric
> system, what is the size of a standard sheet of plywood?
> Perhaps there is no "standard" maybe I should say what is the most
> common size of a sheet of plywood? In the United States it's
> 4 feet x 8 feet.
48*2.54=121.92
96*2.54=243.84
Therfore, the "logical" size *should* be 120cm x 240cm
Or perhaps it's even "more logical" and is simply 100x200 <vbg>
Clarence,
What say you?
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 12:47:45 +0000
From: "Ron Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS NT server connection
Hi Folks,
V.N.Karpovitch wrote:
> I connect with my modem to provider but then the
> server doesn't ask me neither for login nor password,
> and nothing at all happens.
Steven wrote:
> Have you tried PAP/CHAP ?
I had the same experience. My first ISP uses terminal log-in on a
RedHat server. My second ISP will not accept terminal log-in, but
happily accepts PAP/CHAP (not script).
Both with Arachne 1.66.
I just set up a configuration .ACF file for each ISP and let them run,
depending on which ISP service I want to use.
Pretty clever, Michael. :)
Regards,
Ron
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 22:50:09 -0400
From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Salsa
One of the things to remember when changing from one system of measurement to
SI is construction convention. The typical spacing of studs and rafters is
16-inches, center to center, which is close to 400mm. Therefore, a piece of
plywood needs to be a multiple of 16-inches in the U.S. system, or a multiple
of 400mm in SI. 1000mm is not a multiple of 400mm.
When Australia converted to SI, they "standardized" a piece of plywood as
1200mm X 2400mm. One of the reasons for doing this is so a 4-ft X 8-ft piece
of plywood manufactured before the changeover took place could be trimmed to
1200mm X 2400mm. As such, only 19mm (~3/4") in one direction would be waste
and only 38mm (~1.5") in the other direction would be waste.
BTW, two preferred length units in SI are millimetres and metres. While
there is no "centimetre cop," centimetres are a non-preferred unit. One
rationale for using mm and m as two preferred units is that the units do not
need to be shown on drawings; a dimension with no digits after the decimal
point is in millimetres, and a dimension with three digits after the decimal
point is in metres. (Note: these comments apply basically to construction.
Machining may be completely different.)
Roger Turk
Tucson, Arizona USA
Glenn McCorkle wrote:
. > On Tue, 08 May 2001 16:52:17 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote:
. > <snip>
. > > But here's a question: In those countries that use the metric
. > > system, what is the size of a standard sheet of plywood?
. > > Perhaps there is no "standard" maybe I should say what is the most
. > > common size of a sheet of plywood? In the United States it's
. > > 4 feet x 8 feet.
. > 48*2.54=121.92
. > 96*2.54=243.84
. > Therfore, the "logical" size *should* be 120cm x 240cm
. > Or perhaps it's even "more logical" and is simply 100x200 <vbg>
. > Clarence,
. > What say you?
. > --
. > Glenn
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Date: Wed, 9 May 2001 00:25:20 +0300 (EEST)
From: Hristo Iliev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Salsa
On Tue, 8 May 2001, Arachne4Dos wrote:
> Hi there Hristo,
>
> We forget that not everyone on this list speaks English as a first or
> main language, and of course the special "web" language.
>
> ISTR is an acronym (the first letters of each word Hristo) for
>
> "I Seem To Remember"
>
> others in common use on the web are
Yes , I know the others :) I just didn't know that.
> We are looking forward to visiting Bulgaria again, we liked Varna and
> the different resorts, St Konstanti, Athena and the rest. I hope to
> maybe hire a car (automobile) and try to visit some of the inland
> places this time, although I am not sure about how good the roads
> system is inland from Varna and Bourgas.
>
> If I did hire a car, are there many places within easy drive of
> Golden Sands to see? We like places like Nessebur, castles, churches,
> that sort of sights to see.
>
> Regards
>
> Mel
woow I'm just impressed how much do you know about Bulgaria :)
About roads ... hmm I'm not sure, they should be OK :) What do you mean
with "Good roads" . I think there are good roads !
Nessebur is good too <G> . And I have many friend from Bourgas and on
summers holidays I go generally there .
All the best : Hristo , Bulgaria
p.s. sorry if you receive my last mail twice, I had problems with ISP
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 00:19:27 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sending mail with Arachne
On Wed, 09 May 2001 14:52:07 +0000, Ross Virgin wrote:
> ...
> ...
> This list discussed 6 or 8 months ago, the technique of
> composing "mailing lists" as pure ASCII text files, with
> each addressee on a separate line, terminated with a
> carriage return ... etc.
> Then, the entry in the To field or in the CC
> field would be @FILE in which FILE is the
> ASCII text file with all the people of your mailing list.
> For many months I have used this technique, several
> hundreds of times, with 80 or 90 different "FILE"
> names as different lists of recipients.
> Great system .....
> For 2 weeks now, everytime I try to mail to one of those
> 80 or 90 "FILE"s Arachne says "syntax error".
> Yet the 80 or 90 FILEs have not been changed or touched
> in any way from the same FILEs which have been used
> for many months ..... previously with no problem, no
> "syntax error".
> I have been using the Arachne 1.66 , on the same computer,
> with the same modem, on the same phone line, to the
> same ISP
> What the heck is going on ..................
Hello Ross:
The situation you have described here might not be due to any problem
with Arachne, otherwise many others would probably be reporting the same
kind of difficulties with their mailing lists.
Perhaps your ISP has recently imposed a new policy on mailing lists.
In an effort to thwart would-be spammers some ISPs are limiting the
number of recipients to whom a user may send a single email message.
I would suggest that you ask your ISP's tech support people about this
to see if they have set up any changes at their end insofar as the
handling of multiple recipients for email messages is concerned.
All the best,
Sam Heywood
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 02:25:57 -0400
From: "Clarence Verge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Salsa
On Wed, 09 May 2001 21:59:47 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:
>> Perhaps there is no "standard" maybe I should say what is the most
>> common size of a sheet of plywood? In the United States it's
>> 4 feet x 8 feet.
> 48*2.54=121.92
> 96*2.54=243.84
> Therfore, the "logical" size *should* be 120cm x 240cm
> Or perhaps it's even "more logical" and is simply 100x200 <vbg>
> Clarence,
> What say you?
I only complain about temperature scales. <g>
But for information purposes, in Canada 1/4" plywood has been thinned
to 6 mm and is most commonly available in 1220 x 2440 with 1200 x 2400
also available.
It seems the construction industry is still running on Imperial. <G>
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 07:56:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Salsa
(from Mel Evans)
Hi there Hristo,
We forget that not everyone on this list speaks English as a first or
main language, and of course the special "web" language.
ISTR is an acronym (the first letters of each word Hristo) for
"I Seem To Remember"
others in common use on the web are
BTW "By The Way"
(snip)
English is my first and main language, but ISTR had me floored! Could also be
"I Seem To Regret" or "I Slip To Ruination"?
IIRC had me floored for a long time, wondering what the first I was before
Internet Relay Chat.
Actually, I don't see these acronyms on the Web. These acronyms occur in email
and newsgroups, I suppose they would also occur IIRC (In Internet Relay Chat,
this time).
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:44:36 +0800
From: "J. J. Young" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Salsa
Thomas et al,
Try: http://www.ucc.ie/cgi-bin/acronym
BTW, I agree with your suggestion that `rachne
could use a "Save target as" option.
====
Sir Joseph Whitworth toured England (don't know
about the rest of the UK) and proposed "his" thread
standard in 1841. One of those great leaps forward,
making machinery more universal.
Of course, the threadform was cocked up in 1948
by the US-UK-Canadian pow-wow which standardized
the UNC/F thread for imperial fasteners. This doesn't
have the radiused crests and roots, leading to stress
concentrations and snapped bolts.
The UK has preferred metric fasteners since the mid-60s.
King Dick are your best bet for BSW spanners. Everyone
wants to get his hands on a good King Dick :-)
Regards,
Jake
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:37:53 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Salsa
On Thu, 10 May 2001 13:44:36 +0800, J. J. Young wrote:
> Thomas et al,
> Try: http://www.ucc.ie/cgi-bin/acronym
> BTW, I agree with your suggestion that `rachne
> could use a "Save target as" option.
> ====
> Sir Joseph Whitworth toured England (don't know
> about the rest of the UK) and proposed "his" thread
> standard in 1841. One of those great leaps forward,
> making machinery more universal.
Is this the same "Whitworth" who invented and designed
the highly famed "Whitworth" rifle, which used a twisted
hexagonal bore and fired hexagonal bullets? This system
was quite a departure from the use of cylindrical-ogive
shaped bullets designed for use in rifles employing the
common "lands-and-grooves" system of rifling. These rifles
are reputed to be the most accurate of all those used in
the American Civil War. They were imported from England by
the South for use by snipers. Although the Whitworth rifles
were reputed to be far more accurate than any others then in
use, they suffered from the disadvantage of accumulating
much fouling and requiring cleaning between shots.
Sam Heywood
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 11:44:52 -0500
From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Salsa with nasty splinters
Good grief! Aren't there enough conspiracy theories around without
adding lumber to the list?
> In the good old days when homes used to be built right, all of the two
> by fours that went into the construction were real two by fours. The
> "new" shaved-down standard was developed by the building contractors and
> the lumber companies and by others involved in the building industry for
> the purpose of bilking people.
The size of all lumber -- and timber -- has always been the "rough
cut" size; the house I grew up in had 2x4's in the walls that were 2"x4"
... rough cut. If you've ever worked with rough cut lumber, you'd know
that it is not just hard on the hands and the clothing -- you often
can't see faults or flaws in the lumber because the rough cut "splinter
fuzz" hides them.
Since industry standard is rough cut dimensions, all planed lumber
and timber is "smaller" than the designated size ... you can't take the
surface off of anything without making that thing smaller. Since
builders want planed lumber -- easier on hands, easier to handle in all
ways, easier to see knot holes and splits and other flaws -- the lumber
we buy is going to be smaller than 2"x4" ... but it is NOT a scam, or a
rip-off or a conspiracy. It's a way to avoid splinters and splits.
- -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 13:05:19 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sunday Salsa with nasty splinters
On Thu, 10 May 2001 11:44:52 -0500, L.D. Best wrote in part:
> Since industry standard is rough cut dimensions, all planed lumber
> and timber is "smaller" than the designated size ... you can't take the
> surface off of anything without making that thing smaller. Since
> builders want planed lumber -- easier on hands, easier to handle in all
> ways, easier to see knot holes and splits and other flaws -- the lumber
> we buy is going to be smaller than 2"x4" ... but it is NOT a scam, or a
> rip-off or a conspiracy. It's a way to avoid splinters and splits.
Back in the good old days all homes were built only by real men.
Real men are tough-handed. You can even drive nails through the
palms of a real man. He will suffer the most excruciating pain,
but he won't get squeemish about it. Such is the way of a real
man and a real carpenter. A real man and a real carpenter knows
how to handle the rough stuff. He can conquer anything. Also he
knows how to be very gentle.
Sam Heywood
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