arachne-digest Sunday, May 20 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1528
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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:16:55 -0700
From: "Thomas Tabler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: analog phone lines, do they work?
Dear Andy:
I have both analog and digital lines here, but something happened
to the digital one, so I use the old analog one. Your info on your
ISP reminds me of the differences that some of the ISP's have with
others. This one has prompts too for username and password, but
I have been largely unsuccessful recently in automating the process.
So I still have to do login manually. My ISP uses PAP protocol. As far
as I know, it was designed to use a Unix/Linux style server, and also
it was not an old BBS that "upgraded" to the Internet. Someone told
me that they are just hoping to get "bought out" by the big boys {AT&T
Qwest, or Earthlink?}
Yours,
Thomas Tabler
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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:20:52 -0400
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Zero byte BMP conversions
On Fri, 18 May 2001 14:10:14 -0500, L.D. Best wrote:
> Today was yet another day of "red boxes" but today was different. This
> time around I not only was unsuccessful in obtaining a rendition by
> using 'right click' and reload, I ran into a LOOP that's killer.
> Mind you, I have visited the web site before ... and had no problems.
> The graphics download intact, but then the fun begins. If one is lucky,
> all one gets is another red box. If one is UNlucky, a continuous loop
URL of the site in question ??? <g>
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Glenn
http://arachne.cz/
http://freedos-32.sourceforge.net/
http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/
http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/download.htm
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 08:26:17 +0200
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: re: PAP/CHAP problem
Gregy wrote:
>I'm doing my homework right now....<g g g>...wading through tons of
>downloads, and will go looking for the docs on this EPPPD 0.5/0.6/and
>higher.
The docs for "and higher" isn't much to brag about (I only changed version
number and who to blaim). Besides I don't think I even sent the docs to
Clarence, Glenn and Michael so I doubt that you can dig it up ;-)
>I'll let you know how it comes out......the thought occurred to me
>that this MIGHT be one of the causes of the reoccuring "can't
>connect" problems we face occasionally, without ever recognizing
>it. If I get a fix on it, we can file it as a possible fix for
>some of those...
Sure, however I blaim any connection problems on the planetary positions
<G>. Hopefully the two weeks of almost non-internet connectivity is over by
now :)
//Bernie
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 09:02:26 +0200
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Zero byte BMP conversions
L.D asked:
>I have the same question ... and why is Arachne creating zero byte BMP
>conversion files from JPGs?
There's a small risk, I haven't checked if JPEG2000 (IIRC that's the name)
is used yet. If it is I should be able to obtain a new version of
djpeg32.exe (since it's used in almost all other programs).
...checking...
Nope no new version out yet. I doubt it's the new JPEG standard then.
Perhaps you can use djpeg32.exe directly on the JPG files in question,
perhaps there's somehting wrong with them that djpeg32 might tell you.
//Bernie
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 07:07:01 -0500
From: "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SLIP/PPP ConnectProblem - Solved
On Fri, 18 May 2001 17:33:06 -0400 (EDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Howard Eisenberger) wrote:
> Perhaps, simply because there were more options than just PPP. I
> don't see any real advantage in using PAP unless you're too lazy
> or stupid to type in (or script) your username and password. :-)
There is potential real advantage for the ISP in an automatic
process that doesn't require active user input. Many people are
stupid or lazy or both and can manage to confuse and derail the
most straightforward sequence.
Better that it should be done automatically-- or "automagically"
as Michael would have it.
Sam Ewalt
Croswell, Michigan, USA
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 07:24:47 -0500
From: "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Film processing labs offering "pics on disks" (OT)]
On Fri, 18 May 2001 20:36:34 -0500, Clarence Verge wrote:
> Perhaps you should try to find one of the labs used by professional
> photographers.
> No, they don't all do their own film developing.
> Some find it unnecessarily boring.
> But they are likely to do all their own printing.
Most professional photographers no longer do any of their own
darkroom work. Custom Photo Labs are not hard to find and they will
do exactly whatever you tell them to do.
But they are much different operations than commercial photofinishers
who are set up with expensive technology to process film and print
photos in bulk.
Custom Photo Labs specialize in doing what their clients want them
to do. If you don't live in a larger city, then check the photomagazines
for mailorder custom labs.
Sam Ewalt
Croswell, Michigan, USA
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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:53:44 -0500
From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SLIP/PPP ConnectProblem - Solved
Gregory J. Feig wrote:
>
> The new ISP account is up and running fine. For your information,
> and ForWhatIt'sWorth, I found out the following:
>
> 3. The problem was - my new ISP has their server set up so that
> giving the bare "LOGIN Username" when connecting will allow the
> user to be given ONLY an SLIP connection - a PPP connection will
> NOT be allowed. The PPP connection will only be allowed if the
> NormalUsername "joeuser" is preceeded by a Capital P (e.g. only
> when LOGIN: is answered with "Pjoeuser" will the server authenticate
> for a PPP Connection).
> .
> 4. To do this in Arachne, it is only necessary to prepend a capital
> P to the username, in the PPP Section of ARACHNE.CFG......and then
> dial as usual. Once this is done, everything goes smoothly on to a
> successful PPP Connection.
Excellent work Gregy;
I have archived it in a safe place where I hope to remember to look. <G>
This will surely be very useful in the future.
- - Clarence Verge
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 10:20:06 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Film processing labs offering "pics on disks" (OT)]
On Sat, 19 May 2001 07:24:47 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2001 20:36:34 -0500, Clarence Verge wrote:
>> Perhaps you should try to find one of the labs used by professional
>> photographers.
>> No, they don't all do their own film developing.
>> Some find it unnecessarily boring.
>> But they are likely to do all their own printing.
> Most professional photographers no longer do any of their own
> darkroom work. Custom Photo Labs are not hard to find and they will
> do exactly whatever you tell them to do.
> But they are much different operations than commercial photofinishers
> who are set up with expensive technology to process film and print
> photos in bulk.
> Custom Photo Labs specialize in doing what their clients want them
> to do. If you don't live in a larger city, then check the photomagazines
> for mailorder custom labs.
I have heard this before from the people who operate commercial labs.
I don't want custom developing. You have to pay a very high price
for it. I just want ordinary developing, which is good enough for me
for almost all of my photography. What I do not want is for the lab
to cut the film and mount the slides. I want developing only, and
nothing else. Why should anyone be forced to pay more to get less
"service"? I don't want a "custom" job. I just want a "partially
completed" job. A job order requesting the completion of only one
phase of the photo finishing process should not be treated as though
it were an order for a custom job.
Unfortunately the commercial labs will consider my request as an order
for a custom job and they will advise me to take my film elsewhere.
That is the way it is. There is nothing I can do about it. That should
bring the discussion on this off-topic subject to a close.
Sam Heywood
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Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:33:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Howard Eisenberger)
Subject: Re: SLIP/PPP ConnectProblem - Solved
On Thu, 17 May 2001 21:28:17 -0700,
"Gregory J. Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The new ISP account is up and running fine. For your information,
> and ForWhatIt'sWorth, I found out the following:
>
> 3. The problem was - my new ISP has their server set up so that
> giving the bare "LOGIN Username" when connecting will allow the
> user to be given ONLY an SLIP connection - a PPP connection will
> NOT be allowed. The PPP connection will only be allowed if the
> NormalUsername "joeuser" is preceeded by a Capital P (e.g. only
> when LOGIN: is answered with "Pjoeuser" will the server authenticate
> for a PPP Connection).
My ISP used to do something similar:
login: joeuser -> unix shell
login: joeuser.ppp -> start PPP
login: joeuser.slip -> start SLIP
login: joeuser.cslip -> start CSLIP
While they now run PPP (PAP) and the unix shell on separate
dialups, at some ISP's it is still possible to drop down from
PAP to the old login prompt by hitting <Enter> once or twice.
> 5. This seems so simple, and STUPID....<g> Why would they do this..??
Perhaps, simply because there were more options than just PPP. I
don't see any real advantage in using PAP unless you're too lazy
or stupid to type in (or script) your username and password. :-)
Howard E.
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Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:43:15 +0000
From: "Mel Evans, Registered Arachne User" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CSS and Javascript support
Hi Gangue,
I always check any pages I do with Arachne, if I think it's likely to
attract loads of DOS users, then I make it more DOS friendly using 'rach
as the editor.
Try
http://www.maresme.fsnet.co.uk
and clicks on into the site. I fully expected this to be a NO NO because
there's CSS and Jscript in there (ok LD I know I could mostly do it all
without, but the Js and CSS makes it easier in IE and Nutcrack).
I'm surprised to say the least. The pages and CSS and CSS styles seem to
work except for the bit where the Links change colour on hover. They
seem to want to display in the "red" colour elsewhere than where they
should, but if you click on the "blue" for the link, the page works and
transfers and the hover coloured false link disappears.
Also the links frame at the left hand side is written in DHTML and Js,
and I fully expecteed it to just give up on the display, but what it has
done is expanded the links out as a list of links, and made them valid.
What it does in IE is display the Black type list of main categories
which then expands each section individually, like an expanding menu in
Win.
Hmmmm. It's interesting to say the least. The good thing is if Arachne
can handle the default way what other browsers handle in full, then
things are better for users.
Regards
mel
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:06:46 -0500
From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: possibly last word from Tom on subject of real men
Thomas and Others,
Being a "real man" has nothing to do with gender or age. It has to do
with responsibilty and keeping going when many days you can't seem to
see a reason why, and all your efforts seem to be wasted, and the harder
you try to do "the right thing" the poorer the end results seem to be.
I know those things because my father once attempted to raise me as his
"first born son"; I know those things because too many times in my life
the man in my life disappeared and left me with all the responsibilites
and few, if any, resources; I know those things because I sometimes
still get scared thinking back to times when I did absolutely insane
things, risking my life, to try and keep food in the kids' bellies and a
roof over their heads; I know those things because although now I am
"financially secure" [read permanent and total disability pension], the
battles I have to fight are in trying to guide grown kids and not beat
myself up too much when I can't get done the things I feel I *should*
get done.
Being a real man is questioning oneself, and learning to forgive oneself
for being less than perfect. Being a real man is learning the true
value of things which can't be bought for any price -- the feeling of
knowing you've done something well, the gentle touch of a hand that wants
only to remind you that you're loved, the smile of a child discovering
something new, the luxury of being physically tired from a job
completed, the smell of rain on dust after months of drought, the sound
of birds, the sound of honest joyful laughter, the blind trust of those
you work with or live with in the day to day struggle, the joy of having
a really truly honest-to-gosh "day off."
Being a real man means you don't have to brag about the good things, and
you don't need to complain about the things which go wrong.
Being a real man means not being afraid to reach out, or ask for help,
when things seem hopeless. And it means not feeling less of a person if
the help doesn't come the way one hoped it would.
Being a real man means accepting where you are and working toward where
you want to be -- physically, emotionally, socially and spiritually.
Being a real man means not caring what others say about you, as long as
you can say you did the best you could, at the time, under the
circumstances. A real man looks inside to find identity, and is able to
push aside labels others try to apply.
Real men are rare creatures, or so it would seem at times. But every
man, woman and child we come in contact with has the potential to become
"a real man" with encouragement and education that is seldom found in
schools these days.
Real men know, and accept, that one cannot be "a real man" 24/7/365
because no one is perfect, and the way to learn is often through making
mistakes and then fixing things.
Real men aren't afraid to cry, and feel better for it. Real men aren't
afraid of showing weakness at times, because that gives another "real
man" the opportunity to help, and share strength.
Real men know that what goes around comes around, and real men don't
waste time or energy in plotting vengence or hating -- because it's just
not worth the effort, and the results are seldom satisfying.
Real men look for reasons, not excuses. Real men give the benefit of
the doubt to others who seem to be making excuses, because the reasons
could very well be totally valid. A real man extends patience and
courtesy to others, knowing that one cannot expect others to always do
so in return ... but it's worth taking the chance.
Last, but by no means least, real men don't have to prove -- to anyone
- -- that they are "real men."
I know *all* those things, because I have been lucky enough in my
lifetime to have met, or worked with, or dealt with, real men of every
gender, orientation, age, nationality, belief structure ...
l.d.
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On Fri, 18 May 2001 19:17:14 -0700, Thomas Tabler wrote:
> Dear List:
> On Saturday, May 12, Thomas Mueller wrote:
>>> Anybody who talks like that deserves to be crucified! If that is
>>> what you mean by real men, then I am proud of my femininity!
> On Saturday, May 12, Samuel Heywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> you can drive nails through the hands of a real man and he will
>>> suffer excruciating pain, but he....{rest snipped}
> Dear List:
> Perhaps. I, like many of my generation, possibly are insecure
> in their manhood. Perhaps I also missed a few points of Sam. But we
> all are persons, and persons have problems. Perhaps all of you don't
> have a sister who has not worked 60 days in her chosen pro-
> fession yet, nor have a pastor who is over 65 years old that has a
> hard time updating his mailing List. Nor do you work two jobs.
> Perhaps you don't live in a society dominated by envy of the nearby
> employer Microsoft, nor talk to a man who lived in another state who
> is going to Redmond in the morning to work on their "campus". Perhaps
> you don't work at a service station or a hotel. Or do you see
> blue-collar men who start work at 4 a.m., and drive 40 miles to get
> to work in bad traffic, who raise three children and have two game
> systems, a T.V., and a computer newer than mine at home and complain
> about the price of a small cup of coffee. Who work twelve hour days
> for 5 or 6 days, drive home, play with the kids, kiss the wife, chop
> wood, and fall asleep in front of the T.V. after downing one beer.
> Perhaps you are not an usher/or sexton of a church that has less than
> five show most Sundays. Perhaps you are not a Christian who has to
> sell pornography at work or hear the complaints of the night auditor.
> Perhaps you go on vacations on occassion. Perhaps this is not your life.
> It is mine. I am not an expert on real men.
> Yours,
> Thomas Tabler/"tomstfor"
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:32:22 -0500
From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Zero byte BMP conversions
immaterial ...
On Fri, 18 May 2001 23:20:52 -0400, Glenn McCorkle wrote:
> On Fri, 18 May 2001 14:10:14 -0500, L.D. Best wrote:
<snip>
>> Today was yet another day of "red boxes" but today was different. This
>> time around I not only was unsuccessful in obtaining a rendition by
>> using 'right click' and reload, I ran into a LOOP that's killer.
> URL of the site in question ??? <g>
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 14:36:05 -0500
From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Zero byte BMP conversions
So you don't waste any effort searching further, I'll tell up up front:
It is not the jpg files. Arachne has previously had no problem
converting them to BMP... like I said, I'd visited the site previously
and had no problems.
And, just to double check, I took a look at the files using GW and they
are just fine ... the same jpgs Arachne correctly rendered previously.
I'm not a happy camper. Software which isn't built by Microsoft should
not behave like it is "wearing out." :<
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On Sat, 19 May 2001 09:02:26 +0200, Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> L.D asked:
>> I have the same question ... and why is Arachne creating zero byte BMP
>> conversion files from JPGs?
> There's a small risk, I haven't checked if JPEG2000 (IIRC that's the name)
> is used yet. If it is I should be able to obtain a new version of
> djpeg32.exe (since it's used in almost all other programs).
> ....checking...
> Nope no new version out yet. I doubt it's the new JPEG standard then.
> Perhaps you can use djpeg32.exe directly on the JPG files in question,
> perhaps there's somehting wrong with them that djpeg32 might tell you.
> //Bernie
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Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 21:05:51 -0700
From: "Gregory J. Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: re: PAP/CHAP Problem Solved
On Fri, 18 May 2001 13:53:44 -0500 Clarence Verge wrote:
> I have archived it in a safe place where I hope to remember to look. <G>
> This will surely be very useful in the future.
Clarence, keep in mind that it is only a plan of attack...there are
lots of variations on this theme...see following:
On Fri, 18 May 2001 17:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Howard Eisenberger wrote:
> My ISP used to do something similar:
> login: joeuser -> unix shell
> login: joeuser.ppp -> start PPP
> login: joeuser.slip -> start SLIP
> login: joeuser.cslip -> start CSLIP
- ---------snip-----------
> Perhaps, simply because there were more options than just PPP. I
> don't see any real advantage in using PAP unless you're too lazy
> or stupid to type in (or script) your username and password. :-)
Howard,
Not to debate with you the advantages of using PAP/CHAP, but MOST
users are of the "uninformed" variety. That's why they will even
pay a dummy like me to "fix" their problems...<g g g>
This customer of mine, would ordinarily, without extensive training,
be routinely incapable of using anything but automated login. AND..
most non-nerd users are similar.
..AND....I am a dummy, but I am NOT too stupid, or lazy to type in
(or script) my username and password.....read my original posts and
you will notice that that is how I ascertained that my username and
password were valid....what was NOT proper was this ISP not telling
me about their peculiarities, as per their injunction that they did
not "support" anything but w9x/NT/2000 and Mac 7.5+.....
..now...my customer just happens to be using w98, and could install
the ISPs custom setup software, but I have a bunch of minimalist
users about to come on line, on this ISP, who will NOT be running
any of those bloatware boxes......They will also be incapable of
messing around with manually (or with script)
logging in/on. So...they are gonna be set up with that nice, lazy,
PAP/CHAP, too.....<g g g g g>
......gregy
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