Ian,

I assume you mean SSA, not SAA.  What a member of the Society of
American Archaeology (or South African Airways) would be doing with an
FAI Sporting Licence escapes me.

An extract from the FAI Sporting Code, General Section reads:

8.1.3 ISSUE OF SPORTING LICENCES. Each NAC has the power to issue FAI
sporting licences on proof of identity to those of its individual
members who are either citizens or residents of that NAC's country.

This suggests to me that unless you were either a citizen or a resident
of the US, then a Sporting Licence issued by SSA to a foreigner who did
not reside in the US by would not be accepted as valid by the FAI (or,
by extension, any of its member NACs).

I think the correct answer is obvious.  What would happen in practice
though, would depend on how seriously the registration officials at the
Nationals took their responsibilities. I would't try it on Beryl Hartley
or Evelyn Turner if I was you :)

Cheers

Tim

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To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting Licences

Tim
For 15 to 20 years I can remember if you pay your for associate
membership 
of SAA your membership card comes back as also your FAI Sporting licence
as 
well and there was no extra charge for same.  I often wondered if I were
to 
present same at our competitions what would be said.  Interesting that
SAA 
have now scrubbed it altogether - it is a few years since I subscribed
to 
"Soaring".  Obviously they have a different emphasis to us re Sporting 
licence......Ian McPhee

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Shirley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" 
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Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting Licences


> The start of this very interesting discussion was the fact that SSA
has
> decided not to require Sporting Licences for National achievement
> awards.
>
> The FAI Sporting Licence is relevant only to the SPORT of gliding -
> badges, records and competition.  It has nothing to do with pilot's
> licences, parallel universes, or delegations from regulators.
>
> The Sporting Licence is intended to identify the holder and also the
> nation that the holder represents.  This reduces confusion where a
pilot
> has dual citizenship or is a long time permanent resident of a country
> but doesn't hold official citizenship.  It is an FAI issued document,
> though the issuing authority is delegated to GFA in Australia.
>
> According to the FAI Sporting Code, a person can only hold a Sporting
> Licence from one national body at a time.
>
> The FAI Sporting Licence is not a certificate of competency.
>
> To the best of my knowledge, the $5 per year that we pay for a
Sporting
> Licence goes entirely to the FAI Certificates Officer to cover costs
of
> administration.  I don't think the GFA or the FAI see a single cent.
>
> The only benefit I can see of retaining the requirement for a Sporting
> Licence locally in the area of badges and records comes where
Australian
> National records are concerned.  In this case, it would be reasonable
to
> expect that the person claiming the National Record could show that
they
> in fact represented Australia, and this can be done if the pilot holds
a
> Sporting Licence issued in Australia.
>
> When seeking to provide insurance cover to competition officials, GFA
> and OAMPS also made use of the existing Sporting Licence structure to
> make this possible without imposing a separate accreditation process
for
> competition pilots.  This saved competition pilots the cost and
> administrative burden of any approach that required extra paperwork.
>
> Cheers
>
> Tim
> "Apparatchik to the gentry"
>
> PS:  Reading some of the other contributions on this topic brought to
> mind the following quotation:
>
> "Never try to teach a pig to sing.  It wastes your time and annoys the
> pig" (Robert Heinlein)
>
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