The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 182 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: E36 rear shock mounts Re: E36 rear shock mounts Re: Bilstein Sports and air filter questions Thanks Re: rims for E36 Re: rims for E36 Re: [bmwuucdigest] E36 rear shock mounts Re: [bmwuucdigest] E36 rear shock mounts check your battery fluid level... Re: check your battery fluid level... Re: [bmwuucdigest] E36 rear shock mounts Kinesis K58's for 330Cic Re: AC tools...follow up Q (for Gary) Re: AC tools...follow up Q (for Gary) Re: AC tools...follow up Q (for Gary)
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:06:58 -0400 From: "Michael Gambini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 rear shock mounts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Better still the E46 M3 RSM's and the Z3 reinforcement plates. Supposed to be the best combo of OEM mounts. Worked well in my E36 M3. MikeG ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 rear shock mounts > Brian, use E46 Convertible mounts, they're beefier than any of the E36 > factory mounts. Urethane can get squeaky and ride poorly, so it should be > used only on track/competition-only cars. > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:49:02 -0400 From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 rear shock mounts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For a car that isn't tracked I'd suggest an in-between option: http://www.bimmerworld.com/onlinestoreframe.html In the upper right corner type "repair shop shock mount" in the search box. $49/pair and a lifetime guarantee. For the minimal difference in price vs. an E46 RSM I think they're worth a shot. They're made by JT Design which Jim recommended for their urethane mount. The repair shop mount is rubber, so it shouldn't have the possible harshness/noise issues of a urethane mount on a street car. Also available from M3motorwerks http://www.m3motorwerks.com/products/description.php/II=95/PA=3 for $64.95 which includes reinforcement/stud plates which allow them to be replaced from the bottom in the future. I think the $15 price difference vs. the mounts alone is less than the cost of a set of Z3 plates. I'm planning to buy a set myself, if I ever find a set of springs I can use with the Bilstein HDs I've got waiting to go on. HTH, Brian '94 325ic Jim Bassett wrote: > At 01:34 PM 5/11/04, Brian Ruiz talked about: > >> About to replace my rear shocks in the my 325. Car >> isn't tracked, should I just go with some convertible >> mounts as opposed to the standard mounts? Or are >> urethane mounts even better? > > > The stock mounts, whether E46 or E36, will still wear out & tear at > some point. > > Best solution IMO are the RSMs from either JTD Designs or Ground > Control. I happen to have 2 sets of the JTD ones on my E36s and have > been very happy with them. The set in the M3 has the softer "street" > bushings installed, since the car is a daily driver (although I had > the same bushings in when I tracked it). No squeaks, rattles, or other > unusual noises. The race car had a set of the stiffer "track" > bushings. I don't think the squeak or make noise either, but I > wouldn't really know since the car's interior is removed, aftermarket > exhaust, coilover suspension (you get the picture :-)). > > BTW, both cars also have the Z3 reinforcement plates installed as well > for added insurance. > > No problems with the stock suspension and recent SA Konis on the M3 > and the Group N suspension on the race car. > > Hope that helps, > Jim Bassett > 1998 M3/4 > 1993 325is #44 JP/A5 > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:16:48 -0400 From: "Michael Gambini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Bilstein Sports and air filter questions Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Depth of the pleats most definitely does matter. The downstream side of the filter develops a negative pressure due to engine manifold vacuum, and maybe ram air effect on the upstream side. This pressure difference is what drives air thru the filter, and the restriction is inversely proportional to surface area, without regard to what direction it faces(more or less). MikeG ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Kjos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [UUC] Bilstein Sports and air filter questions > But Gary, that's not what I've read. We need to read the independent > research stuff again. I'll find it and forward it again. Let's both read and > then discuss. OK? also, the surface area you are talking about is the depth > of the pleats. These are not in the direct path of the air flow so it > probably doesn't matter much how deep they are. It's the surface area taking > the direct air hit that really matters IMHO (nice out, huh?). > > John Kjos > '99 540i/6: Dinan S1 > '01 525iTa: Stock > Portland, OR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:51:59 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Thanks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks to Brett for the part number, and to Brad and Joe for the advice in response to my timing belt/water pump question within less than 24 hours. I found some more good stuff about replacing these parts here: http://llg.inq.net/carepair.html#timingbelt Happy motoring! -Mike Kozitka ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:04:05 -0700 From: "Reed Nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: rims for E36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yeah, I've got those on mine. They look good, but you have to set aside a good part of your life to clean them. Reed/Seattle > I've always thought that the Fikse FM/10 looked particularly sweet on an > E36. http://www.fikse.com/fm10.html > > Kurt > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:05:03 -0700 From: "Reed Nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: rims for E36 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Fik'-see". > Those are nice wheels, but how the heck do you pronounce "Fikse"? > > Malcolm > '88 M5 - classic BBS > '98 328i - factory double-spokes > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 21:21:20 -0500 From: "Dave Swingle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] E36 rear shock mounts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What to the Z3 plates look like/do? Are they welded in? Dave S ----------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:52:16 -0700 From: Jim Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 rear shock mounts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ---- BTW, both cars also have the Z3 reinforcement plates installed as well for added insurance. No problems with the stock suspension and recent SA Konis on the M3 and the Group N suspension on the race car. --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 00:46:53 -0400 From: Brian Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] E36 rear shock mounts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> As the name suggests, the Z3 plates provide reinforcement. The stock RSMs have studs and install from the bottom with a nut on top so they're just bolted through the sheetmetal of the shock tower. None of the plates require welding, you just use the plate to sandwich the sheetmetal distributing any load across a greater area. They look pretty much like these which, unlike the Z3 plates, are of aluminum construction. http://www.zapspeedracing.com/forbmwowners.html Another aftermarket option with some improvements: http://www.rogueengineering.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RE&Product_Code=RSM_PLATE&Category_Code=S These have studs welded to the reinforcement plates which saves having to disassemble the trunk trim panels to get at the bolt/nut on top the next time you replace the RSMs (obviously you still have to do it the first time). These just drop in from the top then you slip the RSM over the studs in the wheel well and fasten the nuts from the bottom which allows you to install them solo. The stock mounts require an assistant as you need to get a wrench on both the bolt head in the wheel well and the nut in the trunk at the same time. I've got a 325ic so the top side of the RSMs are in the convertible top well. I'm not sure about the coupe or sedan but you might be able to wedge the wrench against something. If that something is the quarter panel sheet metal do so at your own risk. HTH, Brian '94 325ic Dave Swingle wrote: >What to the Z3 plates look like/do? Are they welded in? > >Dave S > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 19:00:23 -1000 From: Jay G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: check your battery fluid level... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> hey gruppe...just a reminder to check the water level in your car's battery before the hot summer months are among us again... i just filled mine up and each cell took about 100cc (3.4 oz) of distilled water... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 22:16:40 -0700 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: check your battery fluid level... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 07:00:23PM -1000, Jay G wrote: > hey gruppe...just a reminder to check the water level in your car's battery > before the hot summer months are among us again... > > i just filled mine up and each cell took about 100cc (3.4 oz) of distilled > water... distilled or filtered? Carbon or reverse-osmosis? Water Wetter or no? *runs and hides* -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 06:20:55 -0400 From: "Marc Plante" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [bmwuucdigest] E36 rear shock mounts Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No, it's a small metal "washer" like plate that you slip in when you bolt the shock assembly into the car. Goes between the top nuts and the body sheet metal to reinforce. Dealers usually have one at a time in stock when I buy them. Marc Plante E36 325i, 220k (for Sale) E36 M3/4, 50k Vienna, VA > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Swingle > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 10:21 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] [bmwuucdigest] E36 rear shock mounts > > > What to the Z3 plates look like/do? Are they welded in? > > Dave S > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 16:52:16 -0700 > From: Jim Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: E36 rear shock mounts > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ---- > BTW, both cars also have the Z3 reinforcement plates installed as well for > added insurance. > > No problems with the stock suspension and recent SA Konis on the > M3 and the > Group N suspension on the race car. > --- > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 22:11:52 -0500 From: "Dana LeJune" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Kinesis K58's for 330Cic Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Set of Kinesis K58's, polished rims, anodized centers (all 8.5x18) for 2001 330Cic. Three are perfect, one allegedly has a fissure that Discount Tire would not mount. Kinesis will rebarrel for $375 postpaid. These are $4,600+ new. I only want $2,900 or best offer, direct to my email. I have an M5 now and don't need them. Dana LeJune ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 07:52:22 -0500 From: "Sam Drake" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: AC tools...follow up Q (for Gary) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I saw a vacuum pump that uses your air compressor of capacity 4.3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] or greater as its power source. It costs about $33 plus shipping. I am not familiar with all the functions of an air conditioner vacuum pump. Does anyone know whether this cheepie version will do the job for someone who might need a vacuum pump once every year or so? I am thinking about switching to Freeze 12 for my 85 318i (I have just replaced the compressor, dryer and expansion valve). Local shops will not work with me. So I am going to be on my own. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Derian Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] AC tools...follow up Q (for Gary) No, watch the sight glass. Gauges are nice to have and needed for diagnosing a problem, but topping off is easy. Make sure you connect the can to the low pressure side. The only other tool is a vacuum pump. A good one is about $250 or so. Gary Derian > > A good system should go 10+ years with no maintenance. A $10 hose is all > > you need to top up the system. > > I'm in the same boat with Steve as I'm prepping my 11 year old car for sale. It seems to need a bit > of R134 to get the air conditioning OK (not quite blowing cold enough). > > So there's no need for a regulator of any sort. Just get a can of R134 refrigerant and a hose and > refil? I guess the canister stops filling when it tops off? > > Why am I prepping a car's air conditioner when it may well end up as an ITS racer?! > > Marc Plante > E36 325i, 220k [For Sale] > E36 M3/4, 49k > 2002 Audi AR > Vienna, VA > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 10:25:33 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: AC tools...follow up Q (for Gary) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I tried one once and was badly disappointed. I could only get 25 inches of vacuum, that leaves nearly 5 inches of mercury absolute pressure in the system. 5 inches is 125,000 microns. R134 is particularly sensitive to moisture in the system so you need a very good pump, 50 microns or so should do. 10 is better. Gary Derian > I saw a vacuum pump that uses your air compressor of capacity 4.3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or greater as its power source. It costs about $33 plus shipping. I am not > familiar with all the functions of an air conditioner vacuum pump. Does > anyone know whether this cheepie version will do the job for someone who > might need a vacuum pump once every year or so? I am thinking about > switching to Freeze 12 for my 85 318i (I have just replaced the compressor, > dryer and expansion valve). Local shops will not work with me. So I am going > to be on my own. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Derian > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 1:18 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [UUC] AC tools...follow up Q (for Gary) > > > No, watch the sight glass. Gauges are nice to have and needed for > diagnosing a problem, but topping off is easy. Make sure you connect the > can to the low pressure side. > > The only other tool is a vacuum pump. A good one is about $250 or so. > > Gary Derian > > > > > A good system should go 10+ years with no maintenance. A $10 hose is > all > > > you need to top up the system. > > > > I'm in the same boat with Steve as I'm prepping my 11 year old car for > sale. It seems to need a bit > > of R134 to get the air conditioning OK (not quite blowing cold enough). > > > > So there's no need for a regulator of any sort. Just get a can of R134 > refrigerant and a hose and > > refil? I guess the canister stops filling when it tops off? > > > > Why am I prepping a car's air conditioner when it may well end up as an > ITS racer?! > > > > Marc Plante > > E36 325i, 220k [For Sale] > > E36 M3/4, 49k > > 2002 Audi AR > > Vienna, VA > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 11:13:48 -0400 From: Steve Nash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: AC tools...follow up Q (for Gary) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I tried the kit with a small guage this morning. The system was low, and I topped it off. It seems to be blowing cooler. It should be about 90 this afternoon and that will be the better test. -Steve Gary Derian wrote: >I tried one once and was badly disappointed. I could only get 25 inches of >vacuum, that leaves nearly 5 inches of mercury absolute pressure in the >system. 5 inches is 125,000 microns. R134 is particularly sensitive to >moisture in the system so you need a very good pump, 50 microns or so should >do. 10 is better. > >Gary Derian > > > > > > ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
