The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 191 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Not Banned Anyone service R12 in the Boston area? Re: Anyone service R12 in the Boston area? Re: Anyone service R12 in the Boston area? Re: Anyone service R12 in the Boston area? Re: Anyone service R12 in the Boston area? E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Re: E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Re: E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Re: E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Re: E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Re: E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Re: E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Compression test Re: re: Torchin' That Sucker!
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 12:11:23 +0200 From: Pavel Tcholakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Not Banned Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This kind of set up is very often used to answer peak power demand, and using the spare capacity to pump the water back during low demand periods. The biggest problem for the power system is unexpected demand and this helps smooth the curve even though it's a net loss. It's mindboggling to think how they even cope with the management of such a large-scale distributed system, it must be a process control nightmare. Think of it, how many people use e.g. the microwave after the end of a popular TV show? And you have to have the capacity to answer the demand, otherwise bad things happen ;-) P On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 04:23:03PM -0400, ben keyes wrote: > > there's a pretty decent explanation of such a set-up > in the UK here : > http://www.fhc.co.uk/DIN.htm > > pretty cool stuff. > > > Ben > > John Miller wrote: > > > One would note that the local power utility (Pacific Gas and Electric) > > built, twenty or so years ago when Diablo Canyon (their nuke on the Central > > California coast) was being built and looked like it'd be providing surplus > > off-peak power for the foreseeable future, something called the Helms > > Canyon Pumped Storage Project. It consisted of a set of vertical-axis > > turbines in an underground cavern between a pair of reservoirs out in the > > foothills past Fresno, where during the day water would run downhill > > through the turbines and generate peak-use power, and at night the turbines > > would be motored to pump the water back UPHILL using all that surplus > > off-peak DCPP power. Once again, a net power consumer, but (supposed to > > be) cheap peak-load power. > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:14:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steve.Goldstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Anyone service R12 in the Boston area? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The never-been-charged AC in my 1991 318is is starting to get weak. The system still works, it just doesn't get frigid like it used to. Does anyone know of a place in the Boston, MA area that can help me out? I don't really want to convert to R134a at this time. TIA. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:34:02 -0400 From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Anyone service R12 in the Boston area? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Steve, I think a lot of shops still work with R12. If yours doesn't, call Mike Noonan at Mike's Autobody (www.mikes-autobody.com) at 781 324-9831. He fixes a LOT of BMWs, including outsourced work for dealers, and includes getting the AC recharged on older cars. Good luck! vty, --Dennis -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve.Goldstein Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 9:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UUC] Anyone service R12 in the Boston area? The never-been-charged AC in my 1991 318is is starting to get weak. The system still works, it just doesn't get frigid like it used to. Does anyone know of a place in the Boston, MA area that can help me out? I don't really want to convert to R134a at this time. TIA. Steve Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 06:59:40 -0700 From: Brad Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Steve.Goldstein'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone service R12 in the Boston area? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Have you seen the price of R12 lately? They aren't making it anymore, so everything is left over stock or recycled. You may want to look at a conversion anyway, if the rest of the system is working well, it may end up being cheaper. Brett has an informative article on the subject here: http://www.koalamotorsport.com/tech/misc/ac.htm It will also help the resale value. Brad Houser > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve.Goldstein > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 6:14 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [UUC] Anyone service R12 in the Boston area? > > The never-been-charged AC in my 1991 318is is starting to > get weak. The system still works, it just doesn't get > frigid like it used to. Does anyone know of a place in > the Boston, MA area that can help me out? I don't really > want to convert to R134a at this time. > > TIA. > > Steve > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:04:55 -0500 From: "Malcolm Reitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Anyone service R12 in the Boston area? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> R134A may be cheaper, but it doesn't cool as well. I put R12 back in the M5 because its A/C, on its best days, is only barely adequate in the south Texas summer heat. Malcolm '88 M5 '98 328i -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Houser Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 9:00 AM To: 'Steve.Goldstein'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] Anyone service R12 in the Boston area? Have you seen the price of R12 lately? They aren't making it anymore, so everything is left over stock or recycled. You may want to look at a conversion anyway, if the rest of the system is working well, it may end up being cheaper. Brett has an informative article on the subject here: http://www.koalamotorsport.com/tech/misc/ac.htm It will also help the resale value. Brad Houser > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve.Goldstein > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 6:14 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [UUC] Anyone service R12 in the Boston area? > > The never-been-charged AC in my 1991 318is is starting to > get weak. The system still works, it just doesn't get > frigid like it used to. Does anyone know of a place in > the Boston, MA area that can help me out? I don't really > want to convert to R134a at this time. > > TIA. > > Steve > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ______________________________________________________________ > ____________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of > the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:18:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steve.Goldstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Anyone service R12 in the Boston area? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wow, you guys are quick! I've already had a pointer to a good local bodyshop (Mike's Autobody in Malden, MA) as a possible source or a pointer to one (thanks Dennis!). Brad suggested I consider conversion anyway and pointed me at one of Brett's pages. From reading this it appears I'd need to replace both the compressor and the receiver drier. Any idea what the cost of conversion would be? Does whatever R12 remains in the system have any salvage value? Thanks. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:42:05 -0400 From: "John Weese" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello Everyone, I have some general questions re: E36 M3's. My son is casually looking...within a year or so he'll most likely dump his '01 Jetta 1.8T (sweet car btw, very quick), for a used M3...he "hates" front wheel drive! A few questions for the ///M3 "knowledgeable": 1. Which cars had the "mesh" grill versus the "bar-style" grill? 2. Which cars had the OBDI versus OBDII technology? And which is best?..problems with either, etc.? 3. Any particular year that is better than others? (I know to stay away from the '95's due to the slightly underpowered 3.0 Liter powerplant). Any help/advice much appreciated. John Weese BMW CCA #76646 '88 M5 '72tii '73tii '76 2002 home e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:03:01 -0400 From: Steve Tymoszuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> john, checkout the e36 faq at http://www.eurospeed.org/ good luck in the search! -steve John Weese wrote: >I have some general questions re: E36 M3's. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 07:48:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Richard Dorffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- John Weese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > I have some general questions re: E36 M3's. My son is casually > looking...within a year or so he'll most likely dump his '01 Jetta 1.8T > (sweet car btw, very quick), for a used M3...he "hates" front wheel drive! Me too. > A few questions for the ///M3 "knowledgeable": Don't know about that but I do have some opinions... > 1. Which cars had the "mesh" grill versus the "bar-style" grill? The luxury models typically had the "bar-style" grill, otherwise, all the others had the mesh (unless damaged or replaced with the other and vice versa). I prefer the look of the mesh grill (but that could have a lot to do with the initial impression I got of the E36 M3 from the '94 Car & Driver article I read which started my BMW disease). > 2. Which cars had the OBDI versus OBDII technology? And which is > best?..problems with either, etc.? OBDI is easier to tune and does much less emissions adjustments compared to OBDII. Most anyone interested in modifying their car prefers OBDI. I am not aware of any particular "problems" other than the adaption of the OBDII with respect to tuning efforts. > 3. Any particular year that is better than others? (I know to stay away > from the '95's due to the slightly underpowered 3.0 Liter powerplant). Underpowered my a*s, tell the guys and gals I pass at the Mid-Ohio driving school in two weekends that I am the one in the "underpowered" '95 M3... ;-) The 3.2 mills had more grunt but the 3.0 motors tend to breath better at top end. I know people the prefer one over the other and vice versa. Honestly, the best combination is a 3.2 with the 3.0 intake and OBDI. If you want potential real problems, some of the earlier '95 M3 had soft retainers. Later versions had harder retainers. I can't remember the exact production switch over > Any help/advice much appreciated. Regards, Rich 95 M3 - underpowered...but with upgraded retainers 90 325is - really wimpy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:05:34 +0200 From: Pavel Tcholakov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, May 17, 2004 at 07:48:56AM -0700, Richard Dorffer wrote: > > 2. Which cars had the OBDI versus OBDII technology? And which is > > best?..problems with either, etc.? > > OBDI is easier to tune and does much less emissions adjustments compared to > OBDII. Most anyone interested in modifying their car prefers OBDI. > > I am not aware of any particular "problems" other than the adaption of the > OBDII with respect to tuning efforts. Can anyone confirm or deny the following statement: OBDII is a much better management system with far more potential due to the extra sensors etc. Most people whine because it's much harder to pirate chips due to the integration of the immobiliser codes into the software and you need more sophisticated eqiupment, but if you know what you're doing OBDII offers more potential for tuning. In particular, it's possible to finely tune the double VANOS which results in much bigger gains compared to just altering the spark timing and fueling. I heard this from a guy who's recognized as a pro when it comes to chiptuning (Chip Logic of RSA). Note that he's only talking about the ECUs, obviously the manifold and other changes in the case of the latter BMWs also played their part in changing the engine character. I don't want to start a flamewar here, just interested to hear some more opinions :-) P ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 08:46:01 -0500 From: "Malcolm Reitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John, You'll find a lot of good info at www.bmw-m.net. Malcolm '88 M5 '98 328i -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Weese Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 8:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UUC] E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Hello Everyone, I have some general questions re: E36 M3's. My son is casually looking...within a year or so he'll most likely dump his '01 Jetta 1.8T (sweet car btw, very quick), for a used M3...he "hates" front wheel drive! A few questions for the ///M3 "knowledgeable": 1. Which cars had the "mesh" grill versus the "bar-style" grill? 2. Which cars had the OBDI versus OBDII technology? And which is best?..problems with either, etc.? 3. Any particular year that is better than others? (I know to stay away from the '95's due to the slightly underpowered 3.0 Liter powerplant). Any help/advice much appreciated. John Weese BMW CCA #76646 '88 M5 '72tii '73tii '76 2002 home e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:58:43 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Mon, 17 May 2004 09:42:05 -0400, "John Weese" wrote: > 1. Which cars had the "mesh" grill versus the "bar-style" grill? Not sure that was model specific as much as user. Perhaps lux package got slots vs mesh...can be changed easily enough. > > 2. Which cars had the OBDI versus OBDII technology? And which is > best?..problems with either, etc.? OBD II was 96 and beyond. OBD 1 easier to tune in some ways. Has more top end. OBD II has more low end torque, but isn't as happy at higher revs, though it's still very nice. > 3. Any particular year that is better than others? (I know to stay away > from the '95's due to the slightly underpowered 3.0 Liter powerplant). 95s are OK. Though they went to different valve retainers in, I think October. 4 doors were only made in 1997/1998. Nice to have the convenience for all sorts of reasons. track tires fit nicely in the back seat and are easier to load with the rear doors. Marc Plante E36 325i, 220k [For Sale] E36 M3/4, 49k 2002 Audi AR Vienna, VA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 09:06:17 -0500 From: "Batt, Jeff (MED)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Malcolm Reitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey John, I'll try a few: 1) I'm not really sure about the mesh vs. bar-style grill. I'm think the '95's had mesh (I own one with mesh) and I thought the bar style was put on the 4 doors or on the M3 "Luxury" models...but again, not sure on this. 2) The 1995's had OBDI, the rest had OBDII. In terms of which is the best, "best" is a relative term, but I've read that OBDI is easier to modify with performance upgrades while OBDII is easier to buy (relatively) cheap scanners to diagnose engine issues, etc. I've never read/heard about specific problems with either. 3) Again, I own a '95, so I'm biased, but I've read that the '95 is often considered the e36 M3 to have due to it's easily modified OBDI computer, a different intake, same sized wheels/tires all around (easy to rotate), a different rear differential and an overall smoother engine vs. the 3.2L. HP readings are the same, but I think the '96 and up years had a little more torque. The performance numbers are about the same for all the years - but I would imagine you would "feel" a little more torque while driving? I think if you decide if you want 4 doors, coupe or convertible; and if you want manual or auto, your son won't be disappointed regardless. Overall though, my '95 M3 has been the best car I've ever owned and would recommend one to anyone. I traded a twin turbo RX-7 for it - and while the M3 can't match the performace on individual tests, it's 10 times the car my RX-7 was. I also own a Ferrari 328, and while the Ferrari gets more looks and is a blast to drive, the M3 is easier to drive fast and WAY better for a road trip. Good hunting, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Malcolm Reitz Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 8:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) John, You'll find a lot of good info at www.bmw-m.net. Malcolm '88 M5 '98 328i -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Weese Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 8:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [UUC] E36 M3 Trivia (some questions) Hello Everyone, I have some general questions re: E36 M3's. My son is casually looking...within a year or so he'll most likely dump his '01 Jetta 1.8T (sweet car btw, very quick), for a used M3...he "hates" front wheel drive! A few questions for the ///M3 "knowledgeable": 1. Which cars had the "mesh" grill versus the "bar-style" grill? 2. Which cars had the OBDI versus OBDII technology? And which is best?..problems with either, etc.? 3. Any particular year that is better than others? (I know to stay away from the '95's due to the slightly underpowered 3.0 Liter powerplant). Any help/advice much appreciated. John Weese BMW CCA #76646 '88 M5 '72tii '73tii '76 2002 home e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:06:13 -0400 From: "Carey Probst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Compression test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry Jamie but 211 is not much higher than the others. I think the numbers you are showing are extremely level. I believe the standard for testing is +/- 10% IIRC. You are good. Carey Probst, '99 M3/2, '86 325e w/i cam BMW CCA Patroon and Genesee Valley Chapters JC CAIed and Sharked, Stressed, Schrothed, Gauged, Hitched, X-Braced Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 18:45:26 -0500 From: "Jamie Howton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Compression test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, I did a compression test on my 95 M3 (95 K miles) today and ended up with the following: Cyl PSI === === 1 205 2 205 3 204 4 203 5 200 6 211 Should I be concerned about the fact that cyl 6 is so much higher than the others? The other thing that was sort of odd was that all cylinders took about 10 revolutions before the pressure stopped increasing, the values above are peak, they were all in the 180 psi range after 4 revolutions. Thanks Jamie Howton ********** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:54:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: re: Torchin' That Sucker! Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, On Sat, 15 May 2004, Mike Hsu wrote: > The 1 time that I needed to heat a set of really tight > bolts, propane worked. Longest heating time was about > 3 minutes at full blast. ...Then you need to find harder jobs. :-) Seriously, I've used propane as well, but O-A is the way to go when you need to heat up something that won't move. Propane takes a _lot_ longer and sometimes won't work at all. That said, for the original poster I'm pretty amazed that you couldn't at least snap off the original strut-knuckle bolt with handtools. Of course, sometimes that just gives you a whole other set of problems... Mark (now, they do make propane/oxy rigs from what I understand, along with MAP gas setups. Both are hotter than propane alone, but from what I recall, both aren't as good as a real O-A setup) ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
