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  Re: <e36> Michellin PS2's
  Re: <e36> Michellin PS2's
  Re: <e36> Michellin PS2's
  Re: <e36> Michellin PS2's
  Re: <e36> Michellin PS2's
  Re: <OT> Tow Beast Mileage
  Garmin GPS
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  Re: <OT> Tow Beast Mileage

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Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:47:58 -0400
From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <e36> Michellin PS2's
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Have any of you guys tried the Toyo T1R?

Half the price of the Michelin.  All the handling, none of the noise and 
equal or better tread wear.

We're selling the crap out of them at KMS, our customers love them.

Brett Anderson
KMS

Kazuto Okayasu wrote:
> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> "Anyone running the Michellin PS2's?" <snip>
> 
> I've known a number of people who've run and love these, so when I had a 
> chance to get a barely-used set for a song, I snatched them up.  
> 

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Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2007 17:46:20 -0700
From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <e36> Michellin PS2's
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At 03:47 PM 11/3/2007, KMS- Brett Anderson wrote:

I happen to be running T1Rs on my E24.  Granted, the car behaves 
completely differently than my E46 regardless of tire, but I don't 
like them very much.  I was running an old set of Dunlop SP8000s 
before, and the T1R is inferior in just about every way.  I know a 
couple of people who replaced T1S with T1R and they're very disappointed.

The budget tire I'm curious about is the new Yokohama S.Drive.  I 
LOVED the preceding ES100 except for its terrible ride and loud 
noise, so I'm hoping those have been remedied without taking away its 
good features.

>Have any of you guys tried the Toyo T1R?
>
>Half the price of the Michelin.  All the handling, none of the noise 
>and equal or better tread wear.
>
>We're selling the crap out of them at KMS, our customers love them.
>
>Brett Anderson
>KMS
>
>Kazuto Okayasu wrote:
>>
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>"Anyone running the Michellin PS2's?" <snip>
>>I've known a number of people who've run and love these, so when I 
>>had a chance to get a barely-used set for a song, I snatched them up.
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>
>
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>
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Kazuto Okayasu  Manager, Desktop Support Services
Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine
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Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 07:40:45 -0500
From: johngrills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <e36> Michellin PS2's
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

At the risk of beating a dead thread....FWIW, I have PS1's on the e36 
and T1S's on the e30 (M3s)...I guess I've always been one iteration 
behind on the technology curve. I really like them both in both 
applications. I save the PS1's by running Alpins during the winter, and 
the e30 just stays on the summer tires and in the garage during re-build 
season ;-). Which is fast approaching! This year it's RTABs, e36M3 
steering rack and other things up front that I replace all too frequently!

I would be interested in reports on that S.Drive tire as well...also a 
fan of the ES100's...they have been GREAT on my nice light 318is, and 
they wear like iron for me. I'll buy another set on close-out no doubt. 
Heck I got those old e30 M3 basket-weaves collecting dust and awaiting 
paint...

cheers!
John Grills
NCC-BMWCCA

Kazuto Okayasu wrote:
> At 03:47 PM 11/3/2007, KMS- Brett Anderson wrote:
>
> I happen to be running T1Rs on my E24.  Granted, the car behaves 
> completely differently than my E46 regardless of tire, but I don't 
> like them very much.  I was running an old set of Dunlop SP8000s 
> before, and the T1R is inferior in just about every way.  I know a 
> couple of people who replaced T1S with T1R and they're very disappointed.
>
> The budget tire I'm curious about is the new Yokohama S.Drive.  I 
> LOVED the preceding ES100 except for its terrible ride and loud noise, 
> so I'm hoping those have been remedied without taking away its good 
> features.
>
>> Have any of you guys tried the Toyo T1R?
>>
>> Half the price of the Michelin.  All the handling, none of the noise 
>> and equal or better tread wear.
>>
>> We're selling the crap out of them at KMS, our customers love them.
>>
>> Brett Anderson
>> KMS
>>
>> Kazuto Okayasu wrote:
>>>
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Anyone running the Michellin PS2's?" <snip>
>>> I've known a number of people who've run and love these, so when I 
>>> had a chance to get a barely-used set for a song, I snatched them up.
>> Search the 
>> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
>>
>>
>> __________________________________________________________________________ 
>>
>> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW 
>> CCA.
>>
>> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
>> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
>> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com
>
> Kazuto Okayasu  Manager, Desktop Support Services
> Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Search the 
> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________ 
>
> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.
>
> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com
>
>

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Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:56:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <e36> Michellin PS2's
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Hmm ... I liked the ES100 until I ran the T1-R.  The Toyo
is about 20% more expensive but on my E28s they were far
superior in just about every respect.

YMMV, I guess.
-tammer

--- Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 03:47 PM 11/3/2007, KMS- Brett Anderson wrote:
> 
> The budget tire I'm curious about is the new Yokohama
> S.Drive.  I 
> LOVED the preceding ES100 except for its terrible ride
> and loud 
> noise, so I'm hoping those have been remedied without
> taking away its 
> good features.


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Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 13:53:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <e36> Michellin PS2's
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'll vouch for these tires, having run them on an E28 M5
and an E28 535 on street and track, and on my E36 on the
street.  For a street tire they hold up to track abuse
fairly well, though even a low-level R-comp will out-grip
them.  They're great in the rain and break away
predictably, wet or dry.  I had 2 instructors in one
weekend ask me if I was running Rs when I was on the T1-R. 

It's 95% of PS2 or (discontinued) Bridgestone PP S-03
performance for 50% of the price.  I can't think of any
situation on the street where you would see/appreciate the
difference, and at the track if you want better performance
it makes more sense to buy R-comps than to burn up $200
street tires.

-tammer
E36 track slave
E28 plow horse
Sold the M car and miss it ....

--- KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Have any of you guys tried the Toyo T1R?
> 
> Half the price of the Michelin.  All the handling, none
> of the noise and 
> equal or better tread wear.
> 
> We're selling the crap out of them at KMS, our customers
> love them.

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Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2007 08:50:46 -0700
From: Wendall Siemens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <OT> Tow Beast Mileage
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Joe Elwell wrote:
>  And can someone explain why diesel, which requires less refining, is 
> so much more than gas??
I'd have to relate it to the supply / demand curve. I was surprised in 
the states to see that it is always more expensive then gas. In western 
Canada, it was cheaper then gas during the warm months ($0.85 / liter vs 
$1.10/ liter) and during winter it reverses ( gas is $0.94 /L and diesel 
is now over a buck /L).

I'll bet every barrel of crude gives off X% gas & Y% diesel (+ Z% other) 
and which ever is in hirer demand drives the price lower on the other.


Wendall

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Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:03:08 -0600
From: "Alex Blok" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Garmin GPS
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I am considering getting a portable GPS, and wanted to tap the collective 
wisdom. From my initial research (which has been pretty limited), I've 
zeroed in on two Garmin models -- Nuvi 680 and 760:

http://tinyurl.com/262ot2

The list price is the same, and the units have the same specs, except that 
760 can do 10 routes (680 does none), and can auto-sort multiple 
destinations. These extra features come at the expense of battery life -- 5 
hrs. vs. 7 for the 680. The Garmin site didn't describe what exactly these 
features do, and although I can infer from the basic description, a more 
detailed explanation would be great.

Also, any feedback on these or any other comparable models would be greatly 
appreciated. I am looking for a unit with a battery, so it can be used while 
I am not in the car.

TIA,
Alex 


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Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 10:02:48 -0800 (PST)
From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Alex Blok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected]
Subject: Re: Garmin GPS
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

--- Alex Blok <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The list price is the same, and the units have the same specs, except
> that 
> 760 can do 10 routes (680 does none), and can auto-sort multiple 
> destinations. These extra features come at the expense of battery
> life -- 5 hrs. vs. 7 for the 680. 

I have a Garmin Nuvi as well but not as fancy as those two.  I think
I'd go for the one that has the routes feature.  The one thing that
annoys me is that you can't select your route with mine.  For example
when I go to Mid-Ohio or Putnam Park from Detroit it wants to take some
goofy routes and I can't pre-select the route.  My guess is that
feature is available on that 760.  Other than that I'm pretty happy
with mine.  As to 5 hours and 7 hours, I wouldn't let that sway my
decision.  Mine has the 5 hour battery and has had enough juice for
trips to Chicago and other places when I'm riding shotgun with someone
else.

Not sure I see much usage besides in a car or motorcycle though.  It's
not a mountain hiking type of device.

Carlos
98 M3
89 325i FS

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Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2007 12:14:10 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <OT> Tow Beast Mileage
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

It varies here in Virginia and in most places, sometimes on road diesel is 
higher than premium, sometimes less than regular, usually someplace in the 
middle.  Right now it is higher than premium and off-road I use in my tractor 
is a bit less than premium due to higher sulpher, thus less processing and less 
tax.  The reason it usually goes up in the late fall and winter is that 
production is shifted to making No2 fuel oil, which is almost identical to 
diesel and No1 fuel oil which is basically kerosens and much the same as No1 
diesel for cold weather.

The supplu and demand thing again really, heating oil versus diesel fuel.

Dave in Richmond VA

-----Original Message-----
>From: Wendall Siemens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Nov 4, 2007 11:50 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [UUC]  <OT> Tow Beast Mileage
>
>Joe Elwell wrote:
>>  And can someone explain why diesel, which requires less refining, is 
>> so much more than gas??
>I'd have to relate it to the supply / demand curve. I was surprised in 
>the states to see that it is always more expensive then gas. In western 
>Canada, it was cheaper then gas during the warm months ($0.85 / liter vs 
>$1.10/ liter) and during winter it reverses ( gas is $0.94 /L and diesel 
>is now over a buck /L).
>
>I'll bet every barrel of crude gives off X% gas & Y% diesel (+ Z% other) 
>and which ever is in hirer demand drives the price lower on the other.
>
>
>Wendall
>Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
>
>
>__________________________________________________________________________
>In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.
>
>UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
>Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
>908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com


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