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From: "Baardwijk, J. van DTO/SLBD/BGM/SVM/SGM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2001 4:05 AM
Subject: RE: Profit RE: World Attitude (was: Re: Down Under Attitude)


> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: dendriite [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Verzonden: Thursday, September 27, 2001 2:03 AM
> > Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Onderwerp: Re: Profit RE: World Attitude (was: Re: Down Under
> > Attitude)
>
> > > You know, having to explain myself over and over again because people
> > > are not capable of understanding what I say, and having to correct
> > > such people over and over again is, to say the least, getting very
> > > tiresome. It is however one hell of a way to kill a discussion...  :(
> >
> > The death of thousands of Americans in NYC and DC is one of the saddest
> > things to happen during my lifetime. Jeroen, I seriously doubt you
> > appreciate how much *I* grieve for them and their families, and I am
> > only one out of three hundred million Americans and uncountable
> > millions elsewhere who are feeling much the same way I do.
>
> Your doubts are completely unnecessary. I do not understand why you would
> have those doubts in the first place.

[sudden change of subject]

> I do not believe that an all-out war
> against Afghanistan is the right approach,

I honestly believe you misinterpret the intentions and the current
attitude of the American people and their government.

>but that does not mean I do not
> grieve for the WTC/Pentagon victims.

And yet the noises you make say the opposite.

>
> I fail to see, BTW, what your grieve for the victims has to do with some
> people not being able to correctly interpret my writings.

Am I to feel sorry for you? Your attitude is distinctly antagonistic.
Trust is the foundation of friendship, but the constant stream of criticism
poured on America > on us > on me (it is very hard to not take it
personally),
is inimical to trust.

>
>
> > We want our buildings back.
> > New Yorkers want their skyline back.
> > Business needs the office space.
> > Growth demands they be replaced.
>
> Not to mention the fact that a piece of land in New York is probably so
> horribly expensive that it would almost be criminal not to build something
> on it.

Finally.....a comment that doesnt reek of criticism or sarcasm.  Thank you.

>
>
> > One might suspect that you would prefer some dead monument so that you
> > might point at it and say "Look, there is where America was kicked in
> > the teeth", or "There lies the fruit of Americas villanny".
>
> I thoroughly resent that scathing remark.

Be glad we are not on usenet sir. Be very glad.

>It suggests that because I
> criticise the US, I also must feel an intense hatred of the US.

Hatred is a relative word, but I used it in the generic sense.
You may dislike, despise, detest, abhor, loathe, object to, be annoyed by,
 be offended by, and/or bear ill will toward some thing or another,
but it is all varying degrees of hate.

> Exactly
> where, when and why did you get the idea that I would prefer some dead
> monument and say the things that you think I would say?

By the apparent glee you take in rebuking America.


>
>
> > I honestly wonder at the depth of your hatred of America.
>
> I do not hate America.

A guilty pleasure or what?

> If I did, why would I have spent so much time trying
> to get our 5th Anniversary Party organised, a party that was to take place
> in the United States? And why would I have planned a three-weeks vacation
in
> the US and Canada around the time the Party was to take place, if I feel
> such an intense hatred of the US?

Professional contrarians have been known to travel great distances between
polar extremes.

I have never been what one might call an uber-patriot.
But by heaping great quantities of criticism upon us
during a time of mourning and utter sadness, without a kind word
or any motion suggesting compassion, you have behaved in a
manner *I* find *almost* unforgivable.


xponent
rob




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