--- David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Erik Reuter wrote:
> > 
> > On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 12:12:18AM -0400, David Hobby wrote:
> > 
> > >       Good point.  Such beliefs are not usually based in fact, but are
> > > strongly held.  So in a sense, they are based on faith.  But somehow
> > > it feels like a completely different KIND of faith than the faith
> > > required to believe in a god.  Help!
> > 
> > William already pointed out that God is irrelevant to that system as
> > described by Dan. But Dan did not reply.
> 
>       Yes, I've got that.  But why do we believe in "Life, liberty
> and the pursuit of happiness", or whatever?  I read Dan's post as
> saying that this was also  "faith".  I pretty much agree.  So how is
> it different from "deistic faith"?  It does FEEL different to me,
> but I can't pin down the difference.

What if there is not faith involved at all. 

Doing the right thing makes the world a better place to be, and makes you
feel good. Not doing the right thing makes you feel bad, and makes the world
a worse place to be. Where is the "faith"? 

Faith is a lie told to the un-ivolved to try and get them to mimick the
intelegant. An intelegant person has no use for faith.



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