> Wayne wrote:
> called all sorts of names, after being laughed at and derided, the
> "loonies" are being proved right about things like human rights, the
> environment, corrupt corporations and governments etc.
>

I totally agree with you on all of the issues you mention.  I'm just
commenting on pacifism.

A true pacifist must be willing to stand down when they, their family,
or anyone is physically attacked.  If they believe in using violence
for defense, then they are not a pacifist.

Soldiers, at least western soldiers, are trained to defend themselves,
their families, and other innocents from violent attack.  This is
quite different from your description of "killing just because someone
told them to".

You misunderstand.  Soldiers are trained at organized defense against
those that would do you or your wife harm.  Put another way, soldiers
are willing to defend those who cannot or will not defend themselves. 
And they are trained to do this as a team.

If protecting your wife from harm means killing an aggressor, then a
soldier will do that.  If you are also willing to use violence to
protect your wife, then you and the soldier are no different in your
willingness to kill.

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