On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Sam wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 2:10 PM, denstar wrote: > >> No, I'm talking about removing the checks on power, and the idea that >> since they had the power already, we don't need the checks. Maybe >> that was Rob's argument though. > > I'm pretty sure he didn't say we don't need checks. You just don't > like the power when you think the holder is religious or something > like that.
Yeah, that's it. Because I'm anti-religion. Or something. No, he did say that. IIRC. Why bitch because it's the same people who were already doing it, and warrants and such are just a formality. That records of doing shit like that aren't so very important. ... >> You said the stuff that, didn't happen(?), was ok to do because it was >> only 3 people and they deserved it. You, personally, said that. In >> this very thread. > > Water boarding isn't vigilante justice. We asked questions and got > answers. It was only used on three people and it worked. At the time > it wasn't considered torture. It's not like we went all Jack Baur on > them. "At the time", yadda yadda. Don't give me that crap. That this is the kind of America you want, is saddening. Rationalize it all you want. My America is better than that. Far better. ... >> The chick deserved the head step. > > I never said she deserved it, I said she suffered the consequences of > her own stupidity. It's like suicide by cop. remember the "Don't taze > me bro" scam? We live in a youtube word, Some people know how to play > it. That right there is more vigilante justice, don't you see? That's the whole fucking point! So what if someone in a position of authority is getting "incited"? Getting "baited" doesn't give you the right to respond. Not *legally*. If you are within your rights, you are. Are they going to charge that chick with something? >> The terrorists deserved the >> water-boarding. > > The three guys we boarded deserved the death penalty. Waterboarding > them possibly saved thousands of lives. Colateral damage I say. I'd > kick the fuckers in the head a few times. Here you equate the destruction of one of the most awesomest things about America to "collateral damage". The ends do not justify the means. That can suck, I know. However, it's one of the higher-order functions which separates us from beasts. >> That it should be *legal* to listen in on citizens >> telephone calls (even with the caveat that it's only the over-seas >> ones). > > I still don't get this argument. I talk with friends that I know are > involved with illegal activity or at least used to be. I expect my > conversation to be listened to because of it. Why are your panties in > a wad? Do you think nobody you talk to has a wiretap warrant on them? > Why is it different? Um, a warrant, for one? I assume all communication is recorded, but there is a Big Fucking Difference between recording shit, and *legally* recording shit. Didn't you just instruct me about Big Sister? Why the fuck aren't *your* panties in a wad? >> That Religion is getting "pushed out" of the Government. > > I'm lost here. Do you think I want religion in government? I thought you saw things like removing the ten commandments from that courthouse as an attack on religion? Maybe that was Jerry B. >> That >> the government should be deciding who lives and who dies, and what >> constitutes "life". &c. > > Are you talking about the deat Penalty, Abortion or Obamacare? Zing! Abortion and the Death Penalty. =) >> Because fuckers like you try to justify the crap instead of just >> saying it's wrong. :) > > I don't cry over spilled milk, but if the government is wrong I try > and make a stink. When I do, you ridicule me and then bitch that I'm > not crying when you cry. I give you shit, sure, because you seem to do it opportunistically, and not really based on principle. The warrantless wiretaps, for instance, yet professing a fear of Big Sis, &c. >> I say fucker in an endearing way. I consider you a friend, tho our >> viewpoints differ. > > We are and they do. We'll never agree but it's fun It is fun. Though I wonder if we don't agree on more than we think. =) :Den -- Man's greatness lies in his power of thought. Blaise ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:330692 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
