Well, that's the thing. I felt I was lumped with ALL smokers, I felt all smokers were being lumped together as inconsiderate a**holes blowing directly into your face, and I don't like that kind of generalization.
I am considerate, always ask if whoever is around minds my smoke. If someone objects, then I don't smoke, or I go somewhere else. I even ask other smokers sometimes: if we are dining together, I have finished eating and they have not, I ask if they mind if I light up. I once had a friend who smoked but couldn't stand it if someone else smoked while they were eating. She was the only smoker I knew who was like that, but since then, I always ask. No one has said "yes, please wait", but I still ask. I know a lot of inconsiderate non-smokers, too. Ever had to listen to a throbbing bass track at a stop light? Even seen a KKK rally? >>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they clearly >>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of >>money, >>> >>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! I've thought about quitting, but just don't want to yet. I like it. Really. Just like I enjoy a beer or a good whiskey. And that's where my first response came from. It's my choice. I don't understand why I should be forced to defend it. >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:45 PM >>To: CF-Community >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) >> >>Here you go indeed >> >>We aren't talking about designated smoking area that non- >>smokers can readily avoid. Yes, you're right, the >>supervisor *chose* to come talk with you there. We're >>talking about people who do *not* chose to share your >>smoke but might be forced to. >> >>And we are talking about *direct* health effects, not >>indirect or financial. Breathing smoke directly affects >>my health. >> >>-Ben >> >> >> >>> (here we go) >>> >>> >>that they're causing my >>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim is >>> >>their right. >>> >>> Let's see, when I take a smoke at work, I walk outside, about 30 yards >>to a >>> designated smoking area. The only others around are other smokers. How >>are >>> you affected? >>> >>> Funny that you mention this. Yesterday, I and two other smokers were >>out at >>> the smoking area. Our supervisor happened to walk out there to talk to >>us. >>> She is a non-smoker. She could have waited 5 minutes, and talked to us >>in >>> the office. She chose to join us. Were we forcing her to smoke? >>> >>> OK, your SUV uses too much gas, you can't have it. Your guns (or those >>of >>> other gun owners) are used in to many crimes, you can't have them. Your >>> fast food is making you fat and I have to pay for your heath care, no >>more >>> for you. >>> >>> Your sedentary life style is causing health problems, you are required >>to be >>> in front of my house at 4:30 for mandatory exercise. You better be >>there. >>> >>> No, you can't think that way, it bothers me. Think the way I tell you. >>> >>> You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. >>> >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> >>-----Original Message----- >>> >>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:25 PM >>> >>To: CF-Community >>> >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) >>> >> >>> >>I have to agree with Ben here. There sure are a lot of Ben's here. :) >>> >> >>> >>Most smokers just don't seem to understand that they're causing my >>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim is >>> >>their right. >>> >> >>> >>I personally regard most smokers in the same group as potheads because >>> >>it's stupid and makes no sense. I would avoid hiring a smoker, and I'm >>> >>seeing more and more companies thinking the same way. Smoking in any >>> >>restaurants here is prohibited now. Yes! >>> >> >>> >>Here in Canada (read in a study a couple years ago) it's actually >>> >>cheaper for the government if citizens smoke and die early from >>> >>cancer/etc. than live longer and use health care resources for age >>> >>related ailments. With that in mind, I'm more accepting that people >>> >>smoke but if someone wants to smoke around me, prepare to have your >>> >>personal space violated. >>> >> >>> >>And I think Tim Heald has it backwards. If he wants to smoke, he >>should >>> >>stay home and away from the rest of us. >>> >> >>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they clearly >>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of >>money, >>> >>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! >>> >> >>> >>Anybody else feel the same way? Or disagree? :) >>> >> >>> >>Cheers, >>> >>Ben >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>-----Original Message----- >>> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:43 AM >>> >>To: CF-Community >>> >>Subject: RE: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat >>> >> >>> >>Tim- >>> >> >>> >>you say "I am a smoker ... It's my body..." >>> >> >>> >>If you can equate your right to smoke with your right to >>> >>eat Big Macs, you're forgetting an important point: >>> >> >>> >>When you smoke near other people, the side-stream >>> >>(second-hand) smoke is being forced on them. >>> >> >>> >>When you eat, it directly affects only you. >>> >> >>> >>are you taking responsibility for the effect your >>> >>personal decision to smoke has on them? >>> >> >>> >>I am an asthmatic. If you exercise your personal rights >>> >>and smoke around me, what about *my* right to breathe? >>> >> >>> >>-Ben >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> I would have to say that maybe it's not all that different than >>> >>smoking. >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. Everyone knows both products are bad for them. >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. The people who whine about each the most are either hypocrites >>> >>(still >>> >>> using the product) or they are former users. >>> >>> >>> >>> I think suing the cigarette manufacturers (especially if you win) is >>> >>just as >>> >>> stupid as this. >>> >>> >>> >>> I am a smoker. I know it causes cancer and all sorts of other >>> >>problems. >>> >>> It's my body and I know I am personally responsible for my actions >>> >>where >>> >>> smoking (or a big mac) are concerned. How is it that the nation >>that >>> >>was >>> >>> founded on the idea that personal rights and responsibilities far >>out >>> >>way >>> >>> those of the community, has fallen to such a low. >>> >>> >>> >>> Bah, makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it. Oh well "Who >>is >>> >>John >>> >>> Gault?". >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone feel like helping me start a community of people of ability >>> >>somewhere >>> >>> in the woods. We'll run a couple of T-3s out there and call it a >>day. >>> >>> >>> >>> What was it called? Galt's Gulch? >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim Heald >>> >>> Developer >>> >>> Schoollink, Inc. >>> >>> 910.223.2116 x 122 >>> >>> >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> >>> > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM >>> >>> > To: CF-Community >>> >>> > Subject: Re: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > ahh not this again!! :) Maybe we'll get lucky and the greedy SOB >>> >>> > will have a >>> >>> > blocked artery and then he can sue them for his stroke too. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > WaAAAA I'm fat cause I am addicted to big macs. Get off it dude. >>> >>This is >>> >>> > completely different then smoking, you have to draw the line of >>> >>personal >>> >>> > responsibility somewhere. Just like these morons that spill >>burning >>> >>hot >>> >>> > coffee on their crotch. AHH how did that happen?? >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Oh was it the fact you had it between your legs duh moron!. I'm >>glad >>> >>you >>> >>> > cant reproduce because you obviously come from a defect genetic >>line >>> >>lol. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Bill Wheatley >>> >>> > Senior Database Developer >>> >>> > Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer >>> >>> > EDIETS.COM >>> >>> > 954.360.9022 X159 >>> >>> > ICQ 417645 >>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> > From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM >>> >>> > Subject: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html/ >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > NEW YORK - Want a class-action lawsuit with that burger? >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > A New York City lawyer has filed suit against the four big >>> >>fast-food >>> >>> > corporations, saying their fatty foods are >>> >>> > > responsible for his client's obesity and related health >>problems. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > Samuel Hirsch filed his lawsuit Wednesday at a New York state >>> >>> > court in the >>> >>> > Bronx, alleging that McDonald's, Burger King, >>> >>> > > Wendy's and KFC Corporation are irresponsible and deceptive in >>> >>> > the posting >>> >>> > of their nutritional information, that they >>> >>> > > need to offer healthier options on their menus, and that they >>> >>> > create a de >>> >>> > facto addiction in their consumers, >>> >>> > > particularly the poor and children. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > "You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an >>> >>> > addiction, you're >>> >>> > creating a craving," Hirsch said. "I think >>> >>> > > we'll find that the fast-food industry has not been totally up >>> >>> > front with >>> >>> > the consumers." >>> >>> > > The suit does not specify the amount of damages Hirsch and his >>> >>> > client are >>> >>> > seeking. >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
