Well, that's the thing.

I felt I was lumped with ALL smokers, I felt all smokers were being lumped
together as inconsiderate a**holes blowing directly into your face, and I
don't like that kind of generalization.

I am considerate, always ask if whoever is around minds my smoke.  If
someone objects, then I don't smoke, or I go somewhere else.

I even ask other smokers sometimes: if we are dining together, I have
finished eating and they have not, I ask if they mind if I light up.  I once
had a friend who smoked but couldn't stand it if someone else smoked while
they were eating.  She was the only smoker I knew who was like that, but
since then, I always ask.  No one has said "yes, please wait", but I still
ask.

I know a lot of inconsiderate non-smokers, too.  Ever had to listen to a
throbbing bass track at a stop light?  Even seen a KKK rally?

>>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they clearly
>>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of
>>money,
>>> >>etc.  I mean come on, get a grip!

I've thought about quitting, but just don't want to yet.  I like it.
Really.  Just like I enjoy a beer or a good whiskey.

And that's where my first response came from.  It's my choice.  I don't
understand why I should be forced to defend it.




>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:45 PM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat)
>>
>>Here you go indeed
>>
>>We aren't talking about designated smoking area that non-
>>smokers can readily avoid. Yes, you're right, the
>>supervisor *chose* to come talk with you there. We're
>>talking about people who do *not* chose to share your
>>smoke but might be forced to.
>>
>>And we are talking about *direct* health effects, not
>>indirect or financial. Breathing smoke directly affects
>>my health.
>>
>>-Ben
>>
>>
>>
>>> (here we go)
>>>
>>> >>that they're causing my
>>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim is
>>> >>their right.
>>>
>>> Let's see, when I take a smoke at work, I walk outside, about 30 yards
>>to a
>>> designated smoking area.  The only others around are other smokers. How
>>are
>>> you affected?
>>>
>>> Funny that you mention this.  Yesterday, I and two other smokers were
>>out at
>>> the smoking area.  Our supervisor happened to walk out there to talk to
>>us.
>>> She is a non-smoker.  She could have waited 5 minutes, and talked to us
>>in
>>> the office.  She chose to join us.  Were we forcing her to smoke?
>>>
>>> OK, your SUV uses too much gas, you can't have it.  Your guns (or those
>>of
>>> other gun owners) are used in to many crimes, you can't have them.  Your
>>> fast food is making you fat and I have to pay for your heath care, no
>>more
>>> for you.
>>>
>>> Your sedentary life style is causing health problems, you are required
>>to be
>>> in front of my house at 4:30 for mandatory exercise.  You better be
>>there.
>>>
>>> No, you can't think that way, it bothers me.  Think the way I tell you.
>>>
>>> You will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile.
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:25 PM
>>> >>To: CF-Community
>>> >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat)
>>> >>
>>> >>I have to agree with Ben here. There sure are a lot of Ben's here. :)
>>> >>
>>> >>Most smokers just don't seem to understand that they're causing my
>>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim is
>>> >>their right.
>>> >>
>>> >>I personally regard most smokers in the same group as potheads because
>>> >>it's stupid and makes no sense. I would avoid hiring a smoker, and I'm
>>> >>seeing more and more companies thinking the same way. Smoking in any
>>> >>restaurants here is prohibited now. Yes!
>>> >>
>>> >>Here in Canada (read in a study a couple years ago) it's actually
>>> >>cheaper for the government if citizens smoke and die early from
>>> >>cancer/etc. than live longer and use health care resources for age
>>> >>related ailments. With that in mind, I'm more accepting that people
>>> >>smoke but if someone wants to smoke around me, prepare to have your
>>> >>personal space violated.
>>> >>
>>> >>And I think Tim Heald has it backwards. If he wants to smoke, he
>>should
>>> >>stay home and away from the rest of us.
>>> >>
>>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they clearly
>>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of
>>money,
>>> >>etc.  I mean come on, get a grip!
>>> >>
>>> >>Anybody else feel the same way?  Or disagree?  :)
>>> >>
>>> >>Cheers,
>>> >>Ben
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:43 AM
>>> >>To: CF-Community
>>> >>Subject: RE: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat
>>> >>
>>> >>Tim-
>>> >>
>>> >>you say "I am a smoker ... It's my body..."
>>> >>
>>> >>If you can equate your right to smoke with your right to
>>> >>eat Big Macs, you're forgetting an important point:
>>> >>
>>> >>When you smoke near other people, the side-stream
>>> >>(second-hand) smoke is being forced on them.
>>> >>
>>> >>When you eat, it directly affects only you.
>>> >>
>>> >>are you taking responsibility for the effect your
>>> >>personal decision to smoke has on them?
>>> >>
>>> >>I am an asthmatic. If you exercise your personal rights
>>> >>and smoke around me, what about *my* right to breathe?
>>> >>
>>> >>-Ben
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> I would have to say that maybe it's not all that different than
>>> >>smoking.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 1.  Everyone knows both products are bad for them.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2. The people who whine about each the most are either hypocrites
>>> >>(still
>>> >>> using the product) or they are former users.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I think suing the cigarette manufacturers (especially if you win) is
>>> >>just as
>>> >>> stupid as this.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I am a smoker.  I know it causes cancer and all sorts of other
>>> >>problems.
>>> >>> It's my body and I know I am personally responsible for my actions
>>> >>where
>>> >>> smoking (or a big mac) are concerned.  How is it that the nation
>>that
>>> >>was
>>> >>> founded on the idea that personal rights and responsibilities far
>>out
>>> >>way
>>> >>> those of the community, has fallen to such a low.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Bah, makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it.  Oh well "Who
>>is
>>> >>John
>>> >>> Gault?".
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Anyone feel like helping me start a community of people of ability
>>> >>somewhere
>>> >>> in the woods. We'll run a couple of T-3s out there and call it a
>>day.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> What was it called?  Galt's Gulch?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Tim Heald
>>> >>> Developer
>>> >>> Schoollink, Inc.
>>> >>> 910.223.2116 x 122
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM
>>> >>> > To: CF-Community
>>> >>> > Subject: Re: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > ahh not this again!! :) Maybe we'll get lucky and the greedy SOB
>>> >>> > will have a
>>> >>> > blocked artery and then he can sue them for his stroke too.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > WaAAAA I'm fat cause I am addicted to big macs. Get off it dude.
>>> >>This is
>>> >>> > completely different then smoking, you have to draw the line of
>>> >>personal
>>> >>> > responsibility somewhere. Just like these morons that spill
>>burning
>>> >>hot
>>> >>> > coffee on their crotch. AHH how did that happen??
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Oh was it the fact you had it between your legs duh moron!. I'm
>>glad
>>> >>you
>>> >>> > cant reproduce because you obviously come from a defect genetic
>>line
>>> >>lol.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Bill Wheatley
>>> >>> > Senior Database Developer
>>> >>> > Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer
>>> >>> > EDIETS.COM
>>> >>> > 954.360.9022 X159
>>> >>> > ICQ 417645
>>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> > From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM
>>> >>> > Subject: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html/
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > NEW YORK - Want a class-action lawsuit with that burger?
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > A New York City lawyer has filed suit against the four big
>>> >>fast-food
>>> >>> > corporations, saying their fatty foods are
>>> >>> > > responsible for his client's obesity and related health
>>problems.
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > Samuel Hirsch filed his lawsuit Wednesday at a New York state
>>> >>> > court in the
>>> >>> > Bronx, alleging that McDonald's, Burger King,
>>> >>> > > Wendy's and KFC Corporation are irresponsible and deceptive in
>>> >>> > the posting
>>> >>> > of their nutritional information, that they
>>> >>> > > need to offer healthier options on their menus, and that they
>>> >>> > create a de
>>> >>> > facto addiction in their consumers,
>>> >>> > > particularly the poor and children.
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > > "You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an
>>> >>> > addiction, you're
>>> >>> > creating a craving," Hirsch said. "I think
>>> >>> > > we'll find that the fast-food industry has not been totally up
>>> >>> > front with
>>> >>> > the consumers."
>>> >>> > > The suit does not specify the amount of damages Hirsch and his
>>> >>> > client are
>>> >>> > seeking.
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> > >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>
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