Interesting thread; I am a smoker, and a smoker who really wants to quit by the way. I make absolutely sure that when I smoke, that is does not interfere with the health and surroundings of non-smokers. When I first started smoking, which was a long time ago, there was not really issues of smokers and non-smokers being in the same room with each other. Today is allot different and many of the people I knew that were smokers are now not smoking. The US is vastly becoming a non-smoking nation and although I do not think that everyone will quit, I do believe that a large majority will. Everyone has their rights and what Tim said holds true, maybe smoking is not comparable to LSD, speed, crank or freaky sex, but as 2Live Crew said back in the day "What I do in my house, may not be what you do in your house, and what I do in my house is none of your business". I also would be interested in knowing from the former smokers how you quit...What is the easiest way?
Douglas Brown Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hatton Humphrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:47 PM Subject: Re: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > Let me frame my reply first: I'm an ex-smoker and when I did smoke I > tried to be as considerate as Matthew is explaining. As a non-smoker, I > still carry myself to the smoking area for a little "contact high" every > now and then (I call it "sniffing"). > > I honestly think, Ben, that you're complaint is with a smaller > percentage of smokers than you think. I, along with almost every smoker > I know and have known, do what Matthew described. I honesly think that > it's a case of "one bad apple ruins the peck". > > Even as an ex-smoker, I take issue with the coments about "Also, I don't > understand how smokers can defend something they clearly know is > unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of money, etc. I > mean come on, get a grip!" IMO, it's my choice (as I see Matt making > the comment that it's all about choice) whether I smoke or not. In my > case, I did not quit for my health nor my wallet. I quit because my > wife, who is also an ex-smoker, wanted to quit and I had to choose > (again, there's that choice word) whether I wanted to support her in a > loving and considerate manner or show her that I didn't respect her > choice to quit. If it had not been for that sequence of events, I'd be > burning one right now, knowing full well (I do have a college degree and > have seen the ads, waning labels and pictures) the consequences. > > For now, I'll make the choice to leave it at that. It's time for a > three-day weekend (via vacation day). > > Happy Weekend! > Hatton > > Life sucks, get a helmet. > > Ben Arledge wrote: > > > I see Matthew's point and he has some good examples below. I tried to > > make it clear that I was referring to most smokers, NOT all. Perhaps my > > strong opinion was overpowering the message I was trying to convey. > > > > Matthew, nobody's forcing you to defend yourself, but you are. :) > > > > Cheers, > > Ben > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Smith, Matthew P -CONT(DYN) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:05 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > > > > Well, that's the thing. > > > > I felt I was lumped with ALL smokers, I felt all smokers were being > > lumped > > together as inconsiderate a**holes blowing directly into your face, and > > I > > don't like that kind of generalization. > > > > I am considerate, always ask if whoever is around minds my smoke. If > > someone objects, then I don't smoke, or I go somewhere else. > > > > I even ask other smokers sometimes: if we are dining together, I have > > finished eating and they have not, I ask if they mind if I light up. I > > once > > had a friend who smoked but couldn't stand it if someone else smoked > > while > > they were eating. She was the only smoker I knew who was like that, but > > since then, I always ask. No one has said "yes, please wait", but I > > still > > ask. > > > > I know a lot of inconsiderate non-smokers, too. Ever had to listen to a > > throbbing bass track at a stop light? Even seen a KKK rally? > > > > > >>>>>>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they > >>>>>> > > clearly > > > >>>>>>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of > >>>>>> > >>>money, > >>> > >>>>>>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! > >>>>>> > > > > I've thought about quitting, but just don't want to yet. I like it. > > Really. Just like I enjoy a beer or a good whiskey. > > > > And that's where my first response came from. It's my choice. I don't > > understand why I should be forced to defend it. > > > > > > > > > > > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:45 PM > >>>To: CF-Community > >>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > >>> > >>>Here you go indeed > >>> > >>>We aren't talking about designated smoking area that non- > >>>smokers can readily avoid. Yes, you're right, the > >>>supervisor *chose* to come talk with you there. We're > >>>talking about people who do *not* chose to share your > >>>smoke but might be forced to. > >>> > >>>And we are talking about *direct* health effects, not > >>>indirect or financial. Breathing smoke directly affects > >>>my health. > >>> > >>>-Ben > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>(here we go) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>that they're causing my > >>>>>>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim > >>>>>> > > is > > > >>>>>>their right. > >>>>>> > >>>>Let's see, when I take a smoke at work, I walk outside, about 30 > >>>> > > yards > > > >>>to a > >>> > >>>>designated smoking area. The only others around are other smokers. > >>>> > > How > > > >>>are > >>> > >>>>you affected? > >>>> > >>>>Funny that you mention this. Yesterday, I and two other smokers > >>>> > > were > > > >>>out at > >>> > >>>>the smoking area. Our supervisor happened to walk out there to talk > >>>> > > to > > > >>>us. > >>> > >>>>She is a non-smoker. She could have waited 5 minutes, and talked to > >>>> > > us > > > >>>in > >>> > >>>>the office. She chose to join us. Were we forcing her to smoke? > >>>> > >>>>OK, your SUV uses too much gas, you can't have it. Your guns (or > >>>> > > those > > > >>>of > >>> > >>>>other gun owners) are used in to many crimes, you can't have them. > >>>> > > Your > > > >>>>fast food is making you fat and I have to pay for your heath care, > >>>> > > no > > > >>>more > >>> > >>>>for you. > >>>> > >>>>Your sedentary life style is causing health problems, you are > >>>> > > required > > > >>>to be > >>> > >>>>in front of my house at 4:30 for mandatory exercise. You better be > >>>> > >>>there. > >>> > >>>>No, you can't think that way, it bothers me. Think the way I tell > >>>> > > you. > > > >>>>You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Matt > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:25 PM > >>>>>>To: CF-Community > >>>>>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's > >>>>>> > > fat) > > > >>>>>>I have to agree with Ben here. There sure are a lot of Ben's here. > >>>>>> > > :) > > > >>>>>>Most smokers just don't seem to understand that they're causing my > >>>>>>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim > >>>>>> > > is > > > >>>>>>their right. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I personally regard most smokers in the same group as potheads > >>>>>> > > because > > > >>>>>>it's stupid and makes no sense. I would avoid hiring a smoker, and > >>>>>> > > I'm > > > >>>>>>seeing more and more companies thinking the same way. Smoking in > >>>>>> > > any > > > >>>>>>restaurants here is prohibited now. Yes! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Here in Canada (read in a study a couple years ago) it's actually > >>>>>>cheaper for the government if citizens smoke and die early from > >>>>>>cancer/etc. than live longer and use health care resources for age > >>>>>>related ailments. With that in mind, I'm more accepting that > >>>>>> > > people > > > >>>>>>smoke but if someone wants to smoke around me, prepare to have > >>>>>> > > your > > > >>>>>>personal space violated. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>And I think Tim Heald has it backwards. If he wants to smoke, he > >>>>>> > >>>should > >>> > >>>>>>stay home and away from the rest of us. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they > >>>>>> > > clearly > > > >>>>>>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of > >>>>>> > >>>money, > >>> > >>>>>>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Anybody else feel the same way? Or disagree? :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Cheers, > >>>>>>Ben > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:43 AM > >>>>>>To: CF-Community > >>>>>>Subject: RE: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Tim- > >>>>>> > >>>>>>you say "I am a smoker ... It's my body..." > >>>>>> > >>>>>>If you can equate your right to smoke with your right to > >>>>>>eat Big Macs, you're forgetting an important point: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>When you smoke near other people, the side-stream > >>>>>>(second-hand) smoke is being forced on them. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>When you eat, it directly affects only you. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>are you taking responsibility for the effect your > >>>>>>personal decision to smoke has on them? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>I am an asthmatic. If you exercise your personal rights > >>>>>>and smoke around me, what about *my* right to breathe? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>-Ben > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>I would have to say that maybe it's not all that different than > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>smoking. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>1. Everyone knows both products are bad for them. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>2. The people who whine about each the most are either > >>>>>>> > > hypocrites > > > >>>>>>(still > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>using the product) or they are former users. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I think suing the cigarette manufacturers (especially if you > >>>>>>> > > win) is > > > >>>>>>just as > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>stupid as this. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I am a smoker. I know it causes cancer and all sorts of other > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>problems. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>It's my body and I know I am personally responsible for my > >>>>>>> > > actions > > > >>>>>>where > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>smoking (or a big mac) are concerned. How is it that the nation > >>>>>>> > >>>that > >>> > >>>>>>was > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>founded on the idea that personal rights and responsibilities > >>>>>>> > > far > > > >>>out > >>> > >>>>>>way > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>those of the community, has fallen to such a low. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Bah, makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it. Oh well > >>>>>>> > > "Who > > > >>>is > >>> > >>>>>>John > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>Gault?". > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Anyone feel like helping me start a community of people of > >>>>>>> > > ability > > > >>>>>>somewhere > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>in the woods. We'll run a couple of T-3s out there and call it a > >>>>>>> > >>>day. > >>> > >>>>>>>What was it called? Galt's Gulch? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Tim Heald > >>>>>>>Developer > >>>>>>>Schoollink, Inc. > >>>>>>>910.223.2116 x 122 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>>From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM > >>>>>>>>To: CF-Community > >>>>>>>>Subject: Re: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>ahh not this again!! :) Maybe we'll get lucky and the greedy > >>>>>>>> > > SOB > > > >>>>>>>>will have a > >>>>>>>>blocked artery and then he can sue them for his stroke too. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>WaAAAA I'm fat cause I am addicted to big macs. Get off it > >>>>>>>> > > dude. > > > >>>>>>This is > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>completely different then smoking, you have to draw the line > >>>>>>>> > > of > > > >>>>>>personal > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>responsibility somewhere. Just like these morons that spill > >>>>>>>> > >>>burning > >>> > >>>>>>hot > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>coffee on their crotch. AHH how did that happen?? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Oh was it the fact you had it between your legs duh moron!. > >>>>>>>> > > I'm > > > >>>glad > >>> > >>>>>>you > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>cant reproduce because you obviously come from a defect > >>>>>>>> > > genetic > > > >>>line > >>> > >>>>>>lol. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>Bill Wheatley > >>>>>>>>Senior Database Developer > >>>>>>>>Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer > >>>>>>>>EDIETS.COM > >>>>>>>>954.360.9022 X159 > >>>>>>>>ICQ 417645 > >>>>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>>>From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM > >>>>>>>>Subject: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html/ > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>NEW YORK - Want a class-action lawsuit with that burger? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>A New York City lawyer has filed suit against the four big > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>fast-food > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>corporations, saying their fatty foods are > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>responsible for his client's obesity and related health > >>>>>>>>> > >>>problems. > >>> > >>>>>>>>>Samuel Hirsch filed his lawsuit Wednesday at a New York > >>>>>>>>> > > state > > > >>>>>>>>court in the > >>>>>>>>Bronx, alleging that McDonald's, Burger King, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>Wendy's and KFC Corporation are irresponsible and deceptive > >>>>>>>>> > > in > > > >>>>>>>>the posting > >>>>>>>>of their nutritional information, that they > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>need to offer healthier options on their menus, and that > >>>>>>>>> > > they > > > >>>>>>>>create a de > >>>>>>>>facto addiction in their consumers, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>particularly the poor and children. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>"You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>addiction, you're > >>>>>>>>creating a craving," Hirsch said. "I think > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>we'll find that the fast-food industry has not been totally > >>>>>>>>> > > up > > > >>>>>>>>front with > >>>>>>>>the consumers." > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>The suit does not specify the amount of damages Hirsch and > >>>>>>>>> > > his > > > >>>>>>>>client are > >>>>>>>>seeking. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
