:P Thanks, Ben.
Everything I said was meant in good humor, more for the purpose of discussion. I enjoy a good fiery debate as much as the next person. I get a little ornery with mass generalizations; though, truthfully, said generalizations were more inferred by me than directly stated. Peace, yo. Matt - smoking heavily in an air-tight closet at home for higher insurance premiums in your tommorrow >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:13 PM >>To: CF-Community >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) >> >>Matthew- >> >>If you are that considerate a smoker, then I applaud >>you, sir, and wish there were more people like you. >> >>Sorry if you got the impression I was lumping you in >>with a homogeneous group. Wasn't saying all smokers are >>the same. >> >>-Ben >>> Well, that's the thing. >>> >>> I felt I was lumped with ALL smokers, I felt all smokers were being >>lumped >>> together as inconsiderate a**holes blowing directly into your face, and >>I >>> don't like that kind of generalization. >>> >>> I am considerate, always ask if whoever is around minds my smoke. If >>> someone objects, then I don't smoke, or I go somewhere else. >>> >>> I even ask other smokers sometimes: if we are dining together, I have >>> finished eating and they have not, I ask if they mind if I light up. I >>once >>> had a friend who smoked but couldn't stand it if someone else smoked >>while >>> they were eating. She was the only smoker I knew who was like that, but >>> since then, I always ask. No one has said "yes, please wait", but I >>still >>> ask. >>> >>> I know a lot of inconsiderate non-smokers, too. Ever had to listen to a >>> throbbing bass track at a stop light? Even seen a KKK rally? >>> >>> >>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they >>clearly >>> >>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of >>> >>money, >>> >>> >>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! >>> >>> I've thought about quitting, but just don't want to yet. I like it. >>> Really. Just like I enjoy a beer or a good whiskey. >>> >>> And that's where my first response came from. It's my choice. I don't >>> understand why I should be forced to defend it. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-----Original Message----- >>> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:45 PM >>> >>To: CF-Community >>> >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) >>> >> >>> >>Here you go indeed >>> >> >>> >>We aren't talking about designated smoking area that non- >>> >>smokers can readily avoid. Yes, you're right, the >>> >>supervisor *chose* to come talk with you there. We're >>> >>talking about people who do *not* chose to share your >>> >>smoke but might be forced to. >>> >> >>> >>And we are talking about *direct* health effects, not >>> >>indirect or financial. Breathing smoke directly affects >>> >>my health. >>> >> >>> >>-Ben >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> (here we go) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>that they're causing my >>> >>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim >>is >>> >>> >>their right. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let's see, when I take a smoke at work, I walk outside, about 30 >>yards >>> >>to a >>> >>> designated smoking area. The only others around are other smokers. >>How >>> >>are >>> >>> you affected? >>> >>> >>> >>> Funny that you mention this. Yesterday, I and two other smokers >>were >>> >>out at >>> >>> the smoking area. Our supervisor happened to walk out there to talk >>to >>> >>us. >>> >>> She is a non-smoker. She could have waited 5 minutes, and talked to >>us >>> >>in >>> >>> the office. She chose to join us. Were we forcing her to smoke? >>> >>> >>> >>> OK, your SUV uses too much gas, you can't have it. Your guns (or >>those >>> >>of >>> >>> other gun owners) are used in to many crimes, you can't have them. >>Your >>> >>> fast food is making you fat and I have to pay for your heath care, >>no >>> >>more >>> >>> for you. >>> >>> >>> >>> Your sedentary life style is causing health problems, you are >>required >>> >>to be >>> >>> in front of my house at 4:30 for mandatory exercise. You better be >>> >>there. >>> >>> >>> >>> No, you can't think that way, it bothers me. Think the way I tell >>you. >>> >>> >>> >>> You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>-----Original Message----- >>> >>> >>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:25 PM >>> >>> >>To: CF-Community >>> >>> >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's >>fat) >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>I have to agree with Ben here. There sure are a lot of Ben's here. >>:) >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>Most smokers just don't seem to understand that they're causing my >>> >>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim >>is >>> >>> >>their right. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>I personally regard most smokers in the same group as potheads >>because >>> >>> >>it's stupid and makes no sense. I would avoid hiring a smoker, and >>I'm >>> >>> >>seeing more and more companies thinking the same way. Smoking in >>any >>> >>> >>restaurants here is prohibited now. Yes! >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>Here in Canada (read in a study a couple years ago) it's actually >>> >>> >>cheaper for the government if citizens smoke and die early from >>> >>> >>cancer/etc. than live longer and use health care resources for age >>> >>> >>related ailments. With that in mind, I'm more accepting that >>people >>> >>> >>smoke but if someone wants to smoke around me, prepare to have >>your >>> >>> >>personal space violated. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>And I think Tim Heald has it backwards. If he wants to smoke, he >>> >>should >>> >>> >>stay home and away from the rest of us. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they >>clearly >>> >>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of >>> >>money, >>> >>> >>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>Anybody else feel the same way? Or disagree? :) >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>Cheers, >>> >>> >>Ben >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>-----Original Message----- >>> >>> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:43 AM >>> >>> >>To: CF-Community >>> >>> >>Subject: RE: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>Tim- >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>you say "I am a smoker ... It's my body..." >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>If you can equate your right to smoke with your right to >>> >>> >>eat Big Macs, you're forgetting an important point: >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>When you smoke near other people, the side-stream >>> >>> >>(second-hand) smoke is being forced on them. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>When you eat, it directly affects only you. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>are you taking responsibility for the effect your >>> >>> >>personal decision to smoke has on them? >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>I am an asthmatic. If you exercise your personal rights >>> >>> >>and smoke around me, what about *my* right to breathe? >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>-Ben >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> I would have to say that maybe it's not all that different than >>> >>> >>smoking. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 1. Everyone knows both products are bad for them. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 2. The people who whine about each the most are either >>hypocrites >>> >>> >>(still >>> >>> >>> using the product) or they are former users. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I think suing the cigarette manufacturers (especially if you >>win) is >>> >>> >>just as >>> >>> >>> stupid as this. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I am a smoker. I know it causes cancer and all sorts of other >>> >>> >>problems. >>> >>> >>> It's my body and I know I am personally responsible for my >>actions >>> >>> >>where >>> >>> >>> smoking (or a big mac) are concerned. How is it that the nation >>> >>that >>> >>> >>was >>> >>> >>> founded on the idea that personal rights and responsibilities >>far >>> >>out >>> >>> >>way >>> >>> >>> those of the community, has fallen to such a low. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Bah, makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it. Oh well >>"Who >>> >>is >>> >>> >>John >>> >>> >>> Gault?". >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Anyone feel like helping me start a community of people of >>ability >>> >>> >>somewhere >>> >>> >>> in the woods. We'll run a couple of T-3s out there and call it a >>> >>day. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> What was it called? Galt's Gulch? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Tim Heald >>> >>> >>> Developer >>> >>> >>> Schoollink, Inc. >>> >>> >>> 910.223.2116 x 122 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> >>> >>> > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >>> >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM >>> >>> >>> > To: CF-Community >>> >>> >>> > Subject: Re: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > ahh not this again!! :) Maybe we'll get lucky and the greedy >>SOB >>> >>> >>> > will have a >>> >>> >>> > blocked artery and then he can sue them for his stroke too. >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > WaAAAA I'm fat cause I am addicted to big macs. Get off it >>dude. >>> >>> >>This is >>> >>> >>> > completely different then smoking, you have to draw the line >>of >>> >>> >>personal >>> >>> >>> > responsibility somewhere. Just like these morons that spill >>> >>burning >>> >>> >>hot >>> >>> >>> > coffee on their crotch. AHH how did that happen?? >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > Oh was it the fact you had it between your legs duh moron!. >>I'm >>> >>glad >>> >>> >>you >>> >>> >>> > cant reproduce because you obviously come from a defect >>genetic >>> >>line >>> >>> >>lol. >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > Bill Wheatley >>> >>> >>> > Senior Database Developer >>> >>> >>> > Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer >>> >>> >>> > EDIETS.COM >>> >>> >>> > 954.360.9022 X159 >>> >>> >>> > ICQ 417645 >>> >>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> >>> > From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> >>> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM >>> >>> >>> > Subject: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html/ >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > NEW YORK - Want a class-action lawsuit with that burger? >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > A New York City lawyer has filed suit against the four big >>> >>> >>fast-food >>> >>> >>> > corporations, saying their fatty foods are >>> >>> >>> > > responsible for his client's obesity and related health >>> >>problems. >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > Samuel Hirsch filed his lawsuit Wednesday at a New York >>state >>> >>> >>> > court in the >>> >>> >>> > Bronx, alleging that McDonald's, Burger King, >>> >>> >>> > > Wendy's and KFC Corporation are irresponsible and deceptive >>in >>> >>> >>> > the posting >>> >>> >>> > of their nutritional information, that they >>> >>> >>> > > need to offer healthier options on their menus, and that >>they >>> >>> >>> > create a de >>> >>> >>> > facto addiction in their consumers, >>> >>> >>> > > particularly the poor and children. >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > "You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an >>> >>> >>> > addiction, you're >>> >>> >>> > creating a craving," Hirsch said. "I think >>> >>> >>> > > we'll find that the fast-food industry has not been totally >>up >>> >>> >>> > front with >>> >>> >>> > the consumers." >>> >>> >>> > > The suit does not specify the amount of damages Hirsch and >>his >>> >>> >>> > client are >>> >>> >>> > seeking. >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > > >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________________ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
