:P

Thanks, Ben.

Everything I said was meant in good humor, more for the purpose of
discussion.  I enjoy a good fiery debate as much as the next person.

I get a little ornery with mass generalizations; though, truthfully, said
generalizations were more inferred by me than directly stated.

Peace, yo.


Matt - smoking heavily in an air-tight closet at home for higher insurance
premiums in your tommorrow

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 3:13 PM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat)
>>
>>Matthew-
>>
>>If you are that considerate a smoker, then I applaud
>>you, sir, and wish there were more people like you.
>>
>>Sorry if you got the impression I was lumping you in
>>with a homogeneous group. Wasn't saying all smokers are
>>the same.
>>
>>-Ben
>>> Well, that's the thing.
>>>
>>> I felt I was lumped with ALL smokers, I felt all smokers were being
>>lumped
>>> together as inconsiderate a**holes blowing directly into your face, and
>>I
>>> don't like that kind of generalization.
>>>
>>> I am considerate, always ask if whoever is around minds my smoke.  If
>>> someone objects, then I don't smoke, or I go somewhere else.
>>>
>>> I even ask other smokers sometimes: if we are dining together, I have
>>> finished eating and they have not, I ask if they mind if I light up.  I
>>once
>>> had a friend who smoked but couldn't stand it if someone else smoked
>>while
>>> they were eating.  She was the only smoker I knew who was like that, but
>>> since then, I always ask.  No one has said "yes, please wait", but I
>>still
>>> ask.
>>>
>>> I know a lot of inconsiderate non-smokers, too.  Ever had to listen to a
>>> throbbing bass track at a stop light?  Even seen a KKK rally?
>>>
>>> >>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they
>>clearly
>>> >>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of
>>> >>money,
>>> >>> >>etc.  I mean come on, get a grip!
>>>
>>> I've thought about quitting, but just don't want to yet.  I like it.
>>> Really.  Just like I enjoy a beer or a good whiskey.
>>>
>>> And that's where my first response came from.  It's my choice.  I don't
>>> understand why I should be forced to defend it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:45 PM
>>> >>To: CF-Community
>>> >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat)
>>> >>
>>> >>Here you go indeed
>>> >>
>>> >>We aren't talking about designated smoking area that non-
>>> >>smokers can readily avoid. Yes, you're right, the
>>> >>supervisor *chose* to come talk with you there. We're
>>> >>talking about people who do *not* chose to share your
>>> >>smoke but might be forced to.
>>> >>
>>> >>And we are talking about *direct* health effects, not
>>> >>indirect or financial. Breathing smoke directly affects
>>> >>my health.
>>> >>
>>> >>-Ben
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> (here we go)
>>> >>>
>>> >>> >>that they're causing my
>>> >>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim
>>is
>>> >>> >>their right.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Let's see, when I take a smoke at work, I walk outside, about 30
>>yards
>>> >>to a
>>> >>> designated smoking area.  The only others around are other smokers.
>>How
>>> >>are
>>> >>> you affected?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Funny that you mention this.  Yesterday, I and two other smokers
>>were
>>> >>out at
>>> >>> the smoking area.  Our supervisor happened to walk out there to talk
>>to
>>> >>us.
>>> >>> She is a non-smoker.  She could have waited 5 minutes, and talked to
>>us
>>> >>in
>>> >>> the office.  She chose to join us.  Were we forcing her to smoke?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> OK, your SUV uses too much gas, you can't have it.  Your guns (or
>>those
>>> >>of
>>> >>> other gun owners) are used in to many crimes, you can't have them.
>>Your
>>> >>> fast food is making you fat and I have to pay for your heath care,
>>no
>>> >>more
>>> >>> for you.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Your sedentary life style is causing health problems, you are
>>required
>>> >>to be
>>> >>> in front of my house at 4:30 for mandatory exercise.  You better be
>>> >>there.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> No, you can't think that way, it bothers me.  Think the way I tell
>>you.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You will be assimilated.  Resistance is futile.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Matt
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>> >>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:25 PM
>>> >>> >>To: CF-Community
>>> >>> >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's
>>fat)
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>I have to agree with Ben here. There sure are a lot of Ben's here.
>>:)
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>Most smokers just don't seem to understand that they're causing my
>>> >>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim
>>is
>>> >>> >>their right.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>I personally regard most smokers in the same group as potheads
>>because
>>> >>> >>it's stupid and makes no sense. I would avoid hiring a smoker, and
>>I'm
>>> >>> >>seeing more and more companies thinking the same way. Smoking in
>>any
>>> >>> >>restaurants here is prohibited now. Yes!
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>Here in Canada (read in a study a couple years ago) it's actually
>>> >>> >>cheaper for the government if citizens smoke and die early from
>>> >>> >>cancer/etc. than live longer and use health care resources for age
>>> >>> >>related ailments. With that in mind, I'm more accepting that
>>people
>>> >>> >>smoke but if someone wants to smoke around me, prepare to have
>>your
>>> >>> >>personal space violated.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>And I think Tim Heald has it backwards. If he wants to smoke, he
>>> >>should
>>> >>> >>stay home and away from the rest of us.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they
>>clearly
>>> >>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of
>>> >>money,
>>> >>> >>etc.  I mean come on, get a grip!
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>Anybody else feel the same way?  Or disagree?  :)
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>Cheers,
>>> >>> >>Ben
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:43 AM
>>> >>> >>To: CF-Community
>>> >>> >>Subject: RE: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>Tim-
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>you say "I am a smoker ... It's my body..."
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>If you can equate your right to smoke with your right to
>>> >>> >>eat Big Macs, you're forgetting an important point:
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>When you smoke near other people, the side-stream
>>> >>> >>(second-hand) smoke is being forced on them.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>When you eat, it directly affects only you.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>are you taking responsibility for the effect your
>>> >>> >>personal decision to smoke has on them?
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>I am an asthmatic. If you exercise your personal rights
>>> >>> >>and smoke around me, what about *my* right to breathe?
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>-Ben
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>> I would have to say that maybe it's not all that different than
>>> >>> >>smoking.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> 1.  Everyone knows both products are bad for them.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> 2. The people who whine about each the most are either
>>hypocrites
>>> >>> >>(still
>>> >>> >>> using the product) or they are former users.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> I think suing the cigarette manufacturers (especially if you
>>win) is
>>> >>> >>just as
>>> >>> >>> stupid as this.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> I am a smoker.  I know it causes cancer and all sorts of other
>>> >>> >>problems.
>>> >>> >>> It's my body and I know I am personally responsible for my
>>actions
>>> >>> >>where
>>> >>> >>> smoking (or a big mac) are concerned.  How is it that the nation
>>> >>that
>>> >>> >>was
>>> >>> >>> founded on the idea that personal rights and responsibilities
>>far
>>> >>out
>>> >>> >>way
>>> >>> >>> those of the community, has fallen to such a low.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Bah, makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it.  Oh well
>>"Who
>>> >>is
>>> >>> >>John
>>> >>> >>> Gault?".
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Anyone feel like helping me start a community of people of
>>ability
>>> >>> >>somewhere
>>> >>> >>> in the woods. We'll run a couple of T-3s out there and call it a
>>> >>day.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> What was it called?  Galt's Gulch?
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> Tim Heald
>>> >>> >>> Developer
>>> >>> >>> Schoollink, Inc.
>>> >>> >>> 910.223.2116 x 122
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> >>> > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>> >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM
>>> >>> >>> > To: CF-Community
>>> >>> >>> > Subject: Re: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> > ahh not this again!! :) Maybe we'll get lucky and the greedy
>>SOB
>>> >>> >>> > will have a
>>> >>> >>> > blocked artery and then he can sue them for his stroke too.
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> > WaAAAA I'm fat cause I am addicted to big macs. Get off it
>>dude.
>>> >>> >>This is
>>> >>> >>> > completely different then smoking, you have to draw the line
>>of
>>> >>> >>personal
>>> >>> >>> > responsibility somewhere. Just like these morons that spill
>>> >>burning
>>> >>> >>hot
>>> >>> >>> > coffee on their crotch. AHH how did that happen??
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> > Oh was it the fact you had it between your legs duh moron!.
>>I'm
>>> >>glad
>>> >>> >>you
>>> >>> >>> > cant reproduce because you obviously come from a defect
>>genetic
>>> >>line
>>> >>> >>lol.
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> > Bill Wheatley
>>> >>> >>> > Senior Database Developer
>>> >>> >>> > Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer
>>> >>> >>> > EDIETS.COM
>>> >>> >>> > 954.360.9022 X159
>>> >>> >>> > ICQ 417645
>>> >>> >>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> >>> > From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>> >>> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM
>>> >>> >>> > Subject: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>> > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html/
>>> >>> >>> > >
>>> >>> >>> > > NEW YORK - Want a class-action lawsuit with that burger?
>>> >>> >>> > >
>>> >>> >>> > > A New York City lawyer has filed suit against the four big
>>> >>> >>fast-food
>>> >>> >>> > corporations, saying their fatty foods are
>>> >>> >>> > > responsible for his client's obesity and related health
>>> >>problems.
>>> >>> >>> > >
>>> >>> >>> > > Samuel Hirsch filed his lawsuit Wednesday at a New York
>>state
>>> >>> >>> > court in the
>>> >>> >>> > Bronx, alleging that McDonald's, Burger King,
>>> >>> >>> > > Wendy's and KFC Corporation are irresponsible and deceptive
>>in
>>> >>> >>> > the posting
>>> >>> >>> > of their nutritional information, that they
>>> >>> >>> > > need to offer healthier options on their menus, and that
>>they
>>> >>> >>> > create a de
>>> >>> >>> > facto addiction in their consumers,
>>> >>> >>> > > particularly the poor and children.
>>> >>> >>> > >
>>> >>> >>> > > "You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an
>>> >>> >>> > addiction, you're
>>> >>> >>> > creating a craving," Hirsch said. "I think
>>> >>> >>> > > we'll find that the fast-food industry has not been totally
>>up
>>> >>> >>> > front with
>>> >>> >>> > the consumers."
>>> >>> >>> > > The suit does not specify the amount of damages Hirsch and
>>his
>>> >>> >>> > client are
>>> >>> >>> > seeking.
>>> >>> >>> > >
>>> >>> >>> > >
>>> >>> >>> > >
>>> >>> >>> >
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>
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