Matthew- If you are that considerate a smoker, then I applaud you, sir, and wish there were more people like you.
Sorry if you got the impression I was lumping you in with a homogeneous group. Wasn't saying all smokers are the same. -Ben > Well, that's the thing. > > I felt I was lumped with ALL smokers, I felt all smokers were being lumped > together as inconsiderate a**holes blowing directly into your face, and I > don't like that kind of generalization. > > I am considerate, always ask if whoever is around minds my smoke. If > someone objects, then I don't smoke, or I go somewhere else. > > I even ask other smokers sometimes: if we are dining together, I have > finished eating and they have not, I ask if they mind if I light up. I once > had a friend who smoked but couldn't stand it if someone else smoked while > they were eating. She was the only smoker I knew who was like that, but > since then, I always ask. No one has said "yes, please wait", but I still > ask. > > I know a lot of inconsiderate non-smokers, too. Ever had to listen to a > throbbing bass track at a stop light? Even seen a KKK rally? > > >>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they clearly > >>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of > >>money, > >>> >>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! > > I've thought about quitting, but just don't want to yet. I like it. > Really. Just like I enjoy a beer or a good whiskey. > > And that's where my first response came from. It's my choice. I don't > understand why I should be forced to defend it. > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:45 PM > >>To: CF-Community > >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > >> > >>Here you go indeed > >> > >>We aren't talking about designated smoking area that non- > >>smokers can readily avoid. Yes, you're right, the > >>supervisor *chose* to come talk with you there. We're > >>talking about people who do *not* chose to share your > >>smoke but might be forced to. > >> > >>And we are talking about *direct* health effects, not > >>indirect or financial. Breathing smoke directly affects > >>my health. > >> > >>-Ben > >> > >> > >> > >>> (here we go) > >>> > >>> >>that they're causing my > >>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim is > >>> >>their right. > >>> > >>> Let's see, when I take a smoke at work, I walk outside, about 30 yards > >>to a > >>> designated smoking area. The only others around are other smokers. How > >>are > >>> you affected? > >>> > >>> Funny that you mention this. Yesterday, I and two other smokers were > >>out at > >>> the smoking area. Our supervisor happened to walk out there to talk to > >>us. > >>> She is a non-smoker. She could have waited 5 minutes, and talked to us > >>in > >>> the office. She chose to join us. Were we forcing her to smoke? > >>> > >>> OK, your SUV uses too much gas, you can't have it. Your guns (or those > >>of > >>> other gun owners) are used in to many crimes, you can't have them. Your > >>> fast food is making you fat and I have to pay for your heath care, no > >>more > >>> for you. > >>> > >>> Your sedentary life style is causing health problems, you are required > >>to be > >>> in front of my house at 4:30 for mandatory exercise. You better be > >>there. > >>> > >>> No, you can't think that way, it bothers me. Think the way I tell you. > >>> > >>> You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. > >>> > >>> > >>> Matt > >>> > >>> > >>> >>-----Original Message----- > >>> >>From: Ben Arledge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 2:25 PM > >>> >>To: CF-Community > >>> >>Subject: RE: Smokers (was: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat) > >>> >> > >>> >>I have to agree with Ben here. There sure are a lot of Ben's here. :) > >>> >> > >>> >>Most smokers just don't seem to understand that they're causing my > >>> >>headaches or other ailments because I'm breathing what they claim is > >>> >>their right. > >>> >> > >>> >>I personally regard most smokers in the same group as potheads because > >>> >>it's stupid and makes no sense. I would avoid hiring a smoker, and I'm > >>> >>seeing more and more companies thinking the same way. Smoking in any > >>> >>restaurants here is prohibited now. Yes! > >>> >> > >>> >>Here in Canada (read in a study a couple years ago) it's actually > >>> >>cheaper for the government if citizens smoke and die early from > >>> >>cancer/etc. than live longer and use health care resources for age > >>> >>related ailments. With that in mind, I'm more accepting that people > >>> >>smoke but if someone wants to smoke around me, prepare to have your > >>> >>personal space violated. > >>> >> > >>> >>And I think Tim Heald has it backwards. If he wants to smoke, he > >>should > >>> >>stay home and away from the rest of us. > >>> >> > >>> >>Also, I don't understand how smokers can defend something they clearly > >>> >>know is unhealthy, harms others (even if unintentional), waste of > >>money, > >>> >>etc. I mean come on, get a grip! > >>> >> > >>> >>Anybody else feel the same way? Or disagree? :) > >>> >> > >>> >>Cheers, > >>> >>Ben > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >>-----Original Message----- > >>> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>> >>Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:43 AM > >>> >>To: CF-Community > >>> >>Subject: RE: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > >>> >> > >>> >>Tim- > >>> >> > >>> >>you say "I am a smoker ... It's my body..." > >>> >> > >>> >>If you can equate your right to smoke with your right to > >>> >>eat Big Macs, you're forgetting an important point: > >>> >> > >>> >>When you smoke near other people, the side-stream > >>> >>(second-hand) smoke is being forced on them. > >>> >> > >>> >>When you eat, it directly affects only you. > >>> >> > >>> >>are you taking responsibility for the effect your > >>> >>personal decision to smoke has on them? > >>> >> > >>> >>I am an asthmatic. If you exercise your personal rights > >>> >>and smoke around me, what about *my* right to breathe? > >>> >> > >>> >>-Ben > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >>> I would have to say that maybe it's not all that different than > >>> >>smoking. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> 1. Everyone knows both products are bad for them. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> 2. The people who whine about each the most are either hypocrites > >>> >>(still > >>> >>> using the product) or they are former users. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I think suing the cigarette manufacturers (especially if you win) is > >>> >>just as > >>> >>> stupid as this. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> I am a smoker. I know it causes cancer and all sorts of other > >>> >>problems. > >>> >>> It's my body and I know I am personally responsible for my actions > >>> >>where > >>> >>> smoking (or a big mac) are concerned. How is it that the nation > >>that > >>> >>was > >>> >>> founded on the idea that personal rights and responsibilities far > >>out > >>> >>way > >>> >>> those of the community, has fallen to such a low. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Bah, makes me sick sometimes just thinking about it. Oh well "Who > >>is > >>> >>John > >>> >>> Gault?". > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Anyone feel like helping me start a community of people of ability > >>> >>somewhere > >>> >>> in the woods. We'll run a couple of T-3s out there and call it a > >>day. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> What was it called? Galt's Gulch? > >>> >>> > >>> >>> Tim Heald > >>> >>> Developer > >>> >>> Schoollink, Inc. > >>> >>> 910.223.2116 x 122 > >>> >>> > >>> >>> > -----Original Message----- > >>> >>> > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 1:24 PM > >>> >>> > To: CF-Community > >>> >>> > Subject: Re: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > ahh not this again!! :) Maybe we'll get lucky and the greedy SOB > >>> >>> > will have a > >>> >>> > blocked artery and then he can sue them for his stroke too. > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > WaAAAA I'm fat cause I am addicted to big macs. Get off it dude. > >>> >>This is > >>> >>> > completely different then smoking, you have to draw the line of > >>> >>personal > >>> >>> > responsibility somewhere. Just like these morons that spill > >>burning > >>> >>hot > >>> >>> > coffee on their crotch. AHH how did that happen?? > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > Oh was it the fact you had it between your legs duh moron!. I'm > >>glad > >>> >>you > >>> >>> > cant reproduce because you obviously come from a defect genetic > >>line > >>> >>lol. > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > Bill Wheatley > >>> >>> > Senior Database Developer > >>> >>> > Macromedia Certified Advanced Coldfusion Developer > >>> >>> > EDIETS.COM > >>> >>> > 954.360.9022 X159 > >>> >>> > ICQ 417645 > >>> >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > >>> >>> > From: "Howie Hamlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> >>> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> >>> > Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 11:57 AM > >>> >>> > Subject: Man uses fast food chains because he's fat > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,58652,00.html/ > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > NEW YORK - Want a class-action lawsuit with that burger? > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > A New York City lawyer has filed suit against the four big > >>> >>fast-food > >>> >>> > corporations, saying their fatty foods are > >>> >>> > > responsible for his client's obesity and related health > >>problems. > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > Samuel Hirsch filed his lawsuit Wednesday at a New York state > >>> >>> > court in the > >>> >>> > Bronx, alleging that McDonald's, Burger King, > >>> >>> > > Wendy's and KFC Corporation are irresponsible and deceptive in > >>> >>> > the posting > >>> >>> > of their nutritional information, that they > >>> >>> > > need to offer healthier options on their menus, and that they > >>> >>> > create a de > >>> >>> > facto addiction in their consumers, > >>> >>> > > particularly the poor and children. > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > "You don't need nicotine or an illegal drug to create an > >>> >>> > addiction, you're > >>> >>> > creating a craving," Hirsch said. "I think > >>> >>> > > we'll find that the fast-food industry has not been totally up > >>> >>> > front with > >>> >>> > the consumers." > >>> >>> > > The suit does not specify the amount of damages Hirsch and his > >>> >>> > client are > >>> >>> > seeking. > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > > >>> >>> > > >>> >>> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> > >> > ______________________________________________________________________ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
