AHH ok i feel much better now ;) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Doom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: RE: antidepressants (was RE: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam)
> Cognative Behavioral Therapy, IIRC. > > > -- Ben Doom > Programmer & General Lackey > Moonbow Software, Inc > > : -----Original Message----- > : From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > : Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:40 PM > : To: CF-Community > : Subject: Re: antidepressants (was RE: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam) > : > : > : Please tell me what CBT means and i am praying it doesnt mean what i think > : it means in > : certain circles :) LOL > : > : > : ----- Original Message ----- > : From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > : To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > : Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 4:34 PM > : Subject: RE: antidepressants (was RE: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam) > : > : > : > Probably CBT is the most popular approach to psychotherapy, or I should > : say > : > the therapist's interpretation of it. It sounds like its an > : approach that > : > works with you. > : > > : > larry > : > > : > At 04:06 PM 2/4/03 -0500, you wrote: > : > >Actually, this looks remarkably like the approach my therapist > : takes with > : > >me. Being a smart cookie, I react well to logical, rational cognative > : > >therapies that let me get at the root of why I'm feeling like I am and > : (when > : > >it works) use that knowledge to either change non-productive > : problematic > : > >feelings into things that lend themselves more to positive > : change or let > : me > : > >ignore my feelings just long enough to get past some completely > : irrational > : > >hangup. :-) > : > > > : > > > : > >-- Ben Doom > : > > Programmer & General Lackey > : > > Moonbow Software, Inc > : > > > : > >: -----Original Message----- > : > >: From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > : > >: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 2:45 PM > : > >: To: CF-Community > : > >: Subject: RE: antidepressants (was RE: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam) > : > >: > : > >: > : > >: You could look at my master's thesis, > : > >: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/thesis/ , > : > >: it explains some of the theoretical aspects of it. But in a nutshell > : the > : > >: idea is that irrational or maladaptive beliefs, (i.e., thoughts > : > >: with errors > : > >: in content or logical structure) are at the basic core of > : emotional and > : > >: psychological distress. > : > >: > : > >: The web site for the Albert Ellis Institute in New York has some > : > >: good links > : > >: and explanations of REBT, here's a link to the faq on REBT: > : > >: http://www.rebt.org/about/whatisrebt.asp > : > >: > : > >: regards, > : > >: larry > : > >: > : > >: At 01:47 PM 2/4/03 -0500, you wrote: > : > >: >Um. I'm not sure where I was incorrect. I think we both said that > : > >: >medication is not nearly as effective by itself as in > : > >: conjunction with other > : > >: >therapies -- you just were more straightforward. > : > >: > > : > >: >I was amazed at how much information the article provided > : > >: without actually > : > >: >giving away much information about what RET or REBT actually > : > >: does. :-) I'd > : > >: >be interested in reading about it if you have any links to something > : more > : > >: >descriptive. If not, I'll just Google it later, so don't worry > : > >: about it too > : > >: >much. > : > >: > > : > >: >And yeah, so far mixing cognitive therapy, light therapy, > : > >: antidepressants, > : > >: >and getting my head shrunk every other week seems to be > : working for me > : > >: >pretty well. :-) > : > >: > > : > >: > > : > >: >-- Ben Doom > : > >: > Programmer & General Lackey > : > >: > Moonbow Software, Inc > : > >: > > : > >: >: -----Original Message----- > : > >: >: From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > : > >: >: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:31 PM > : > >: >: To: CF-Community > : > >: >: Subject: Re: antidepressants (was RE: Kid takes OD over > : his Web Cam) > : > >: >: > : > >: >: > : > >: >: Um Ben, > : > >: >: > : > >: >: you may be a bit incorrect there. The research does show that > : cognitive > : > >: >: therapy for depression can be as effective as medication. When > : > >: >: the two are > : > >: >: used in conjunction the effectiveness of both approaches can be > : > >: >: substantially increased. In my own research (see > : > >: >: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/maret/RETstudy1.htm) we found that > : > >: >: REBT, a form > : > >: >: of cognitive behavioral therapy, was very effective. > : > >: >: > : > >: >: But the approach you suggest is a good one. > : > >: >: > : > >: >: larry > : > >: >: > : > >: >: At 12:26 PM 2/4/03 -0500, you wrote: > : > >: >: >Keep in mind that, if things like cognitive therapies > : don't work by > : > >: >: >themselves, there's nothing wrong with antidepressants. > : > >: >: > > : > >: >: >The problem I see with how they are used today is that they are > : > >: >: like modern > : > >: >: >snake oil -- supposedly a panacea (how do you spell that?). > : > >: >: That isn't how > : > >: >: >they should be used. I take antidepressants in order to give > : > >: me enough > : > >: >: >balance for things like cognitive therapy, excersize, light > : > >: therapy, and > : > >: >: >just doing things that please me to control my depression. > : > >: >: > > : > >: >: >And sometimes it's necessary to have that help. Yesterday, for > : > >: >: example, I > : > >: >: >got my psychiatrist to bump my dosage for a couple of months > : > >: >: because I seem > : > >: >: >to have seasonal affective disorder and weeks on end of one > : > >: sunny day in > : > >: >: >seven was destroying me. But I don't expect that to > : > >: magically make it go > : > >: >: >away -- just make it bearable enough that I have the energy and > : > >: >: motivation > : > >: >: >to do the things I need to do to make it go away. > : > >: >: > > : > >: >: >People talk about it being a crutch, but isn't that what you need > : when > : > >: >: >you've got a broken leg? > : > >: >: > > : > >: >: >Did that all make sense? > : > >: >: > > : > >: >: >I'm certainly not advocating 'jumping on the meds bandwagon' but > : > >: >: I do hope > : > >: >: >you'll keep an open mind to it. > : > >: >: > > : > >: >: > > : > >: >: >-- Ben Doom > : > >: >: > Programmer & General Lackey > : > >: >: > Moonbow Software, Inc > : > >: >: > > : > >: >: >: -----Original Message----- > : > >: >: >: From: Stephenie Hamilton > : [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > : > >: >: >: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:02 PM > : > >: >: >: To: CF-Community > : > >: >: >: Subject: RE: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: Ug. This is sad... > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: My oldest has been battling some depression lately (he > : is 16) and > : it > : > >: >: >: scares me. But we are working together to try different things > : > >: >: before we > : > >: >: >: just jump on the meds bandwagon. > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: ~~ > : > >: >: >: Stephenie > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: -----Original Message----- > : > >: >: >: From: Philip Arnold - ASP [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > : > >: >: >: Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 11:20 AM > : > >: >: >: To: CF-Community > : > >: >: >: Subject: Kid takes OD over his Web Cam > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/56497p-52905c.html > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: How dumb to people have to be??? > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: Or is it all part of Natural Selection? > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: Philip Arnold > : > >: >: >: Technical Director > : > >: >: >: Certified ColdFusion Developer > : > >: >: >: ASP Multimedia Limited > : > >: >: >: Switchboard: +44 (0)20 8680 8099 > : > >: >: >: Fax: +44 (0)20 8686 7911 > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: www.aspmedia.co.uk > : > >: >: >: www.aspevents.net > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: An ISO9001 registered company. > : > >: >: >: > : > >: >: >: > : > >: > : ********************************************************************** > : > >: >: >: This email and any files transmitted with it are > : confidential and > : > >: >: >: intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to > : > >: >: whom they are > : > >: >: >: addressed. 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